Intel will be out of top 50 soon
Opteron rules. These supercomputer require a level of reliability that no Intel chips can provide -- a FDIV bug is not an approximation scientists can tolerate. Core 2 duo may be quick on finishing SuperPI, but scientists need correctness.
Nobody wants Intel, so it hired SGI (a BKed Intel shop) build one for itself, with either Itanium or double-p3.
I look forward to upgrading my AM2 PC soon. A 2.3GHZ AMD ought to be enough to frag a 3.33GHZ Intel.
Intel mostly use single core Xeons for its own data centers. They probably know those double Pentium 3s aren't up to standards.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 11/01/2007 09:28:00 PM
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Ought to be, but it's not.
That article is pretty odd!
There is no mention of Opteron or AMD until the last part of the article.
Usually there should have been some kind of AMD Inc. (Nasdaq:AMD - News).
Or even at the very end, you'll usually have an 'About AMD' disclaimer and IP section.
Is Sharidouche getting so backed into a corner he needs to repost?
AMD IS PRE-FRAGGED TO THE LIMIT.
61% SLOWER IN SUPERPI. AMD NEEDS A 4.8GHZ PHENOM TO MATCH 3GHZ QX6850.
AMD BK by Q2'08!
Funny that the machine seems to be using old K8 dualcores, not Barcelonas
http://www.top500.org/static/lists/2007/06/top500_statistics.pdf
Check out from page 17->
Of all the top 500, Woodcrest dominates with 40%.
Opteron is only half. I expect wooodcrest and tigerton to take even more when the new list is released.
Phenom will only launch at a measly 2.4GHz.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/02/phenom-slowed-again
Even when overclocked to 3GHz, it is still 7.5% slower than C2Q in Crysis.
That means the top end Phenom X4 2.4GHz will be substantially beaten by Intel's slowest QC, the Q6600.
Hows that for some fragging, eh Doc? Or is it more accurately, pre fragged?! LOL
What about... no?
I guess AMD needs to hire you, so that you can implement a code to their CPUs that will not run any programs that are not "AMD-bias certified".
However, youd only have 1 year since in 1 year, even pro-AMD apps will be dominated by true processors and not 40-year-old copycats.
GP7000 2.0Gzh is Tri cores (Toliman) not Quad Cores (Phenom X4)..
what i can see from the benchmark, a tricores Toliman clocked at 2.2Gzh will be equivalent or better than the 6400+ clocked at 3.2GZh in games..
Is it wrong to wish I had one of those supercomputers for playing video games?
intel FANBOYS VERY WRONG AS USUAL...
Tech support: Some church officials keen about One Laptop Per Child
By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service
ROME (CNS) -- A plan to equip the world's poorest schoolchildren with a low-cost, rugged, portable, wireless laptop has found some enthusiastic support among the Jesuits and in the Vatican.
Vatican officials, ambassadors to the Vatican, and representatives of the world's religious orders were among the more than 200 people attending an Oct. 29 conference highlighting the One Laptop Per Child initiative. The conference was sponsored by the communications office of Rome's Jesuit headquarters and two commissions of the international organization of superiors general of religious orders.
Nicholas Negroponte, founder and chairman of the One Laptop Per Child nonprofit organization, originally looked to individual nations to buy massive quantities of the XO laptop that governments would then distribute free of charge to school kids.
While a number of developing nations initially jumped on board to buy the laptops, Negroponte said he soon discovered "there's a big difference between a head of state agreeing to do a million laptops and the state sending the $200 million check."
While Uruguay has since become the first country to buy 100,000 of the first 300,000 laptops that begin production Nov. 2, Negroponte has widened the list of potential buyers to include individuals and religious orders. Some 7,000 older laptops have been used in pilot projects around the world.
"There are 50 million students in the Catholic Church's school systems," which include children in some very poor parts of the world, he told Catholic News Service Oct. 29.
He said he would like to "get the church to directly participate and maybe provide (the laptops) to kids in very poor countries, in very remote areas."
U.S. Jesuit Father Keith Pecklers told CNS the Jesuits were encouraging other religious orders to become involved in the One Laptop Per Child project.
"The impact the One Laptop Per Child program will have on a global level is phenomenal," he said.
A professor of liturgy at Rome's Pontifical Gregorian University, Father Pecklers said the Jesuits have always been "at the forefront of education, particularly in the poorest of the poor areas where many would not wish to go, so it strikes me as appropriate and important that the Jesuits would take the lead in supporting this particular program."
In an hourlong presentation, Negroponte outlined the ways the white-and-bright-green laptops have already changed the lives of children who have been using the wireless technology in pilot projects for the past eight years.
He said in one school in a small village in northern Cambodia, many parents fell in love with their kids' computers because switching on the laptop -- which is powered by cranking or pulling an internal dynamo -- often made the display monitor the "brightest light source in the house."
The children soon became "guide and instructor" for their parents, teaching adult family members how to Google for information and "find the wholesale price of rice, for example, which really annoys the wholesalers, who go to this village and usually take advantage of the rice farmers," he said.
Kids even have set up their own makeshift "laptop hospitals," where they have been able to "repair 95 percent of any failure on their laptop," he said.
The computer's WiFi mesh network, he said, means one laptop can communicate with every other laptop around it, relaying a signal or message hopscotch-style until it reaches even the farthest-flung destination.
Connectivity to other XO users and the Internet is crucial, Negroponte said, otherwise the tool would be "like a plane without wings."
Swiveling earlike antennae help a child home in on a nearby signal, he said. Children in more remote areas can get a $10 solar panel-powered signal booster "you can nail to a tree" to catch a signal more than 550 yards away, he added.
The One Laptop Per Child program provides the machines, and the users create the content, he said.
He said teachers can share successful ways of teaching mathematics with students and other teachers while children can e-mail teachers anytime, anywhere for help in their studies.
When asked if he planned to give Pope Benedict XVI a XO laptop, Negroponte told CNS: "We keep asking to do it. The answer is 'Yes, all intentions,' but we haven't succeeded yet."
Another invited speaker, Cardinal Paul Poupard, president emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said "a lack of education is as serious as a lack of food."
If people are to rise out of poverty and enjoy greater justice, education is key, the cardinal said.
Just as Pope Paul VI warned the world 40 years ago about the growing gap between rich and poor in his encyclical "The Progress of Peoples" ("Populorum Progressio"), the cardinal said that divide is still evident today, even in the world of technology.
One member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Antonio Battro, serves as the One Laptop Per Child program's chief education officer. He told conference attendees "education is like a vaccination" that can immunize people against a whole host of ills.
The XO laptop is "a portable school" that children will be allowed to take home as their own and use anytime "to explore, discover and share knowledge," he said.
Though the low-cost laptops were initially destined only for children in the developing world, Negroponte said individuals can soon purchase a laptop for themselves when they buy one for a poor child. For a brief period of time starting Nov. 12, people can take part in the "Give 1 Get 1 Program," he said.
He said individuals can also go online at www.laptop.org to purchase any number of XO laptops to donate to children in poorer nations.
So we can see that the criticism by the intel fanboys that the OLPC would not help to feed people was of course VERY WRONG since wholesale rice prices are very important to the rural farmers in making a standard of living.
I am sure the intel fanboys will now want to criticize the VATICAN as well for there support of the OLPC.
The Vatican and I agree that the OLPC will help the Worlds children and adults across all economic strata.
The OLPC wont be involved in $23,000,000 stock deals and wont make you thousands in the market but it will take technology to millions and make the World a better place to live.
Dont listen to the intel fanboys they are always wrong, support World Peace, and support the OLPC.
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, most copied designs, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
"The children soon became "guide and instructor" for their parents, teaching adult family members how to Google for information"
I wonder how good WiFi coverage there is in Cambodia ...
Hows that for some fragging, eh Doc? Or is it more accurately, pre fragged?! LOL
Not really. AMD will sell it at walmart for $50, and will give an RV670 for free with it. That should do it...
No wait! VIA is moving into Wal Mart.
Jeez!! It sucks to be an AMD fanboy these days.
Jeez!! It sucks to be an AMD fanboy these days.
And Hector made $16 million last year. That is probably $1 for every CPU sold by AMD.
AMD Makes Top 10 Semiconductor Suppliers List!
Posted by: Russ Creech on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 03:39 PM
AMD
IC Insights has posted a research bulletin on the top 10 semiconductor suppliers for the third quarter of this year. AMD has surprisingly made the list for the first time ever! A sales increase of 18% in 3Q07 over the previous quarter had a large impact on the $1.6 billion in revenue brought in by AMD.
Hopefully AMD will be able to close out the year with a profit once they begin shipping the new Phenom processors and the Radeon HD 3800 (R670) series graphics cards. The fourth quarter is usually a stronger one for most technology companies anyway.
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, cpus, platforms, and video solutions from a growth company AMD.
Oh... I wonder who was at the top of the semiconductor list?
In the third quarter this year, AMD generated $1.6 billion in revenue, just behind Sony Corp.'s $1.78 billion, according to IC Insights. On the other end of the top 10 scale, Intel's third-quarter revenue of $9.2 billion was far ahead of second-place finisher Samsung, which brought in $5.38 billion.
SO, Intel does 8x what AMD does, and makes a shit load of money to boot.
Nice try Oneexpert MORON.
Seems a little disarray at great Intel needs to be resolved soon from disgruntled employees especially from this Intel blogger.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20071102/tc_pcworld/139205;_ylt=AothMunZw.VZZxqayHoYdnUE1vAI
Pezal
The site owner changed to GP-9000 after realizing that 7000 series is Tolliman.
So it was a Phenom X4 alright. In addition to that, using linear scaling, a 2.4Ghz Phenom will fall short of Q6600.
My take on the leaked Phenom X4 score, including comparison with Q6600.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/245997-28-will-real-agena-stand#t1757360
Sometimes, I think about buying an AMD machine one day. But then I remember that oneexpert and sharikou are members of its fan base.
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about Baron Fartix over at THG:
"Baron, I've been lurking and reading your sheer unadulterated crap for months, and now on the verge of the unprecedented humiliation that is just around the corner for you and the lobotomized morons who run AMD, all I can say is produce benchmarks that show competitivity or shut the hell up. I'm sick and tired of your shameful attempts to turn what is nothing short of a complete corporate and engineering collapse at AMD into results of a brilliant boardroom strategy. You and AMD are swiftly reaching whirlpool status on the suckability scale. I can only hope that when AMD goes down for the count, you join them. And good riddance!
"
LOL .....
@jonathan...Sharidouche = OneRetard...one in the same person.
@alex...outstanding!
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"Intel Shareholders Are Losing Money Big Time"
I almost died laughing when I read this.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/03/markets/firstquarter_markets/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, growth company, most often copied, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
Is this why Intel is up near a 52-week high and AMD is down near a 52-week oneexpert? AMD was at $40 last year, now down to $13! That's $15bn on shareholder value wiped out by Ruiz.
DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!
DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.
INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.
BUY FROM A GROWTH COMPANY MORE REVENUE AND PROFITS THAT'TS INTEL, SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTE5Mzk0MTc1MWtBM2lQZklYc3VfMV8xX2wuanBn
This could make things very interesting.....
Apparently, the Crysis SP demo is not multithreaded? Is there any truth to this?
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1235742&page=2
Oneexpert you really are a work right up there with the Pretender.
Check this out: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=my&s=AMD&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=intc
Core2Duo is a complete failure, so please ignore the benchmarks because I am right.
Intel is going bankrupt and laying off tons of employees because AMD is taking the market. Market figures are lying! AMD is winning! Wining! I tell ya!
Core2Duo is old Pentium 3 Junk which is glued together with cheap pritt stick from the local stationary shop, but at the same time is copying the Super powerful advanced X2, which is created by the masters of the world AMD. I know I am contradicting myself, but please don’t argue I am right!
2Ghz K10 will leave a pathetic 3GHz C2D trailing I have no benchmarks though.
Phenom X4 will be the biggest seller in the year 2030!It will be a whole 22years behind Intel.
Intel are Evil! Evil I tell you!
AMD forever!
intel c2q is very fast and suitable for encoding porno movies..while amd x2 very best suit for office productivity and engineering application. every scientist knows amd proc works best for their supercomputer and server farms. only servers for hosting porno websites use intel proc.
Yeah, cause pr0n is in high demand and those servers need real power to cope with all the requests, so Intel is the only choice.
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Intel Shareholders Are Losing Money Big Time
Intel (INTC) is in trouble. Since it peaked at in August 2000, the stock has declined 72 percent and of the 1,139,295 buy and sell combinations (based on the daily close) from the peak through September 5, 2006 only 399,231 (35%) have made money. The majority of INTC shareholders have been losing money over the last six years.
# Trades 1139295
#Winners 399231
# Losers 740064
As you can see by the data of the 114000 traders of intel stock, 74,000 were total losers over the past six years.
DONT BE ANOTHER intel VICTIM...BUY AMD
www.buyupside.com/articles_stocks
/intctroublesep2006.htm
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, most often copied, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
Oneexpert, you're an idiot. Intel's stock is right near a 52 week high. AMD's is down right near a 52 week low. RUIZ WIPED OUT $15BN OF SHAREHOLDER VALUE OVER THE LAST YEAR. AMD was worth $20bn now it's worth only $7bn.
AMD CPUs are no better than Intel CPUs for servers. AMD's server market share has nearly halved from their peak just before Woodcrest was introduced. What does that tell you?
AMD BK Q2'08.
DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!
DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.
INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.
BUY FROM A GROWTH COMPANY MORE REVENUE AND PROFITS THAT'TS INTEL, SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.
intel proc is limited to serves only in pornographic industry.
these leave other productivity applications to amd proc.
lol amd releases highest quad for 300$.. seems they are competenting with the cheapest intel quad... lol
http://www.google.com/products?q=amd+phenom&btnG=Search+Products
intel is evil..they bring porn to the little kids around the world with their classmate's platform
fuck intel..their processor are made to run good in benchmark and does not perform well in real application..intel proc sucks and stinks like pig shit
Right on the money there, hornet331. 2.4Ghz Phenom will compare OK with a Q6600 in performance. They need to get the clockspeeds up pretty badly though. If AMD can only pull off 2.6Ghz or 2.8Ghz by January then Intel has zero reason to go any higher than the 3Ghz Yorkfield that's being released next week.
http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2007-11-05/1194231291d6785_1.html
It's a sad day for AMD fanboys. Compared to C2Q, Phenom is 25% slower clock for clock in the Crysis CPU benchmark!
One word sums it up for AMD:
FRAGGED!
Read it and weep AMD fannies! LOL
That's right Peter, more evidence that in games, Phenom X4 will be significantly slower than Kentsfield per clock, even at 3.0 GHz. Rahul Sood's claim from a couple months ago that Phenom 3.0 GHz would "kick the living crap" out of any processor then on the market will soon be proven to have been utter unfounded fallacy.
We can see that Crysis gains significantly in performance going from K8 dual core to K10 quad core, yet even the Intel dual core E6850 beats Phenom X4 clock-for-clock.
errrrr its barcy that has the div bug you tit.
AMD MAKES THE ONLY REAL QUAD CORES....
Phenom pricing outed
They are going to be cheap
By Charlie Demerjian: Monday, 05 November 2007, 8:44 AM
HOW MUCH ARE Phenoms going to cost when they debut in two weeks? Well, we told you about the model numbering, 9500, 9600 and 9700 at 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4GHz respectively, and now on to the price.
Moles at our German research division have pointed us to IT4Profit.com, specifically this page, which lists Phenom X4s at $247, $278 and $288 respectively.
By the way, these are the real quad cores not glued up antique relics that cant handle todays computing tasks like the c2d pentium 3 jokes.
AMD has designed the barcelona and the phenom so good that intel plans to copy them and abandon there c2d pentium 3 jokes.
AMD STANDS ALONE WITH LEADING QUAD CORE CPU DESIGNS which intel will now copy cat.
There is not a single intel chip built today that will not be obsoleted by the amazing AMD brilliant designs.
The intel c2ds and quads are going to disappear fast into the trash can of history.
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, only future proof, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
One word sums it up for AMD:
FRAGGED!
Indeed. AMD BK by Q2'08 is now set in stone.
$330 for crappy Phenom 2.4GHZ?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4021&Itemid=35
Ripoff. Q6600 is $280 and available this very second.
DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!
DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.
INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.
BUY FROM A GROWTH COMPANY MORE REVENUE AND PROFITS THAT'TS INTEL, SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.
Ancient relic glued together Pentium 3's that defeat AMD in nearly every benchmark.
"terry the dipshit said... intel is evil..they bring porn to the little kids around the world with their classmate's platform"
Riiight, because some horndog little kid would NEVER surf for porn while using an AMD CPU...
...what a tit...
http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2007-11-06/1194333585d6811_1.html
This just keeps gets better and better.
Phenom fragged in 3DMark06!
Will we be seeing mass suicides from AMD fanboys soon?
Cray's Barcelona moment arrives with XT5 systems
Processors for all seasons
By Ashlee Vance in Mountain View
Cray has taken a supercomputer-sized step toward its goal of providing multiple processor types in a single system with the introduction of its new XT5 line.
Customers will soon find Cray selling the XT5 MPP (massively parallel processor) system and the XT5h or hybrid system. The standard XT5 systems are built around 8-socket blades filled with AMD's new four-core "Barcelona" version of Opteron.
You can combine up to 1,112 processors in 6 cabinets to hit 43 Tflops of performance, while eating up 7 sq. meters of data center floor space. With the hybrid unit, you can slot in the Opteron-based blades as well as blades with FPGAs, vector processors and service/IO chips.
Before jumping too far ahead with the new gear, we should note that Cray still has plans to update its XT4 systems with AMD's lower-end four-core Opteron dubbed Budapest.
Back to the XT5, you can pick between four- and eight-socket blades, fitting 24 of the systems into each cabinet. The new blades support 4X the memory of the XT4 systems or 32GB per two-sockets.
The XT5 cabinets will hold XT4 blades or the more dense new blades. In addition, the revamped cabinets have a single, massive axial turbofan that eats up one quarter of the unit and replaces all of the smaller fans often tied to boxes in server clusters. Cray thinks it can cut down on component failures and noise by using this one, giant fan that sucks air out of the raised floor.
The hybrid systems come in a couple of flavors as well. You can equip one cabinet with XT5/4 blades, XR1 FPGA blades and SIO (service/IO) blades. The XR1 systems rely on FPGAs produced by start-up DRC that can plug right into Opteron sockets. The SIO blades handle service operations and hold Cray's revamped Seastar2+ interconnect, which boasts a 30 per cent performance boost over previous XT gear.
Another cabinet that meshes with the standard hybrid unit holds the X2 vector processor blades.
Cray runs Linux across its various boxes.
Of course you cannot parallel process at these kinds of work loads with antique relic intel pentium 3 cpus which were designed to handle nothing more than a pong game.
intel EMPLOYEES are pumping and dumping huge amounts of intel stock again.
Intel Corp. EVP Andy D Bryant Sold 516,352 Shares at $26.91 on 11/01.
Robert Jaymes Baker reported he exercised options for the shares Thursday for $19 apiece and then sold the same number of them the same day for $26.72 apiece.
Stacy J. Smith reported exercising options for the shares Wednesday for $18.63 to $20.23 apiece, and selling all the shares the same day for $26.68 apiece.
AMD Appoints Dirk Meyer to Board of Directors
AMD STANDS ALONE WITH THE ONLY REAL QUAD CORE CPUS, FOR SOPHISTICATED, LOW COST, ENERGY SAVING, PARALLEL PROCESSOR COMPUTING. AMD DESIGNS ARE SO GOOD THAT intel IS GOING TO COPY THEM ALL.
DONT BE ANOTHER intel VICTIM....dont get stuck with intels obsolete, soon to be abandoned antique relic cpus and platforms,
BUY FUTURE PROOF AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, most often copied, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
I won't even point out that early benches show an OC'd Phenom@3ghz unable to pass intel's current and upcoming quad core in performance...which means that the Phenom about to be launched at 2.4Gz for $330 will barely be able to, if at all, keep up with a $260 Kentsfield...
Everytime you post the above garbage ShariOneDoucheRetard, you just make yourself look more like the idiot you are...
It's a sad day for AMD fanboys. Compared to C2Q, Phenom is 25% slower clock for clock in the Crysis CPU benchmark!
One word sums it up for AMD:
FRAGGED!
Absolutely. AMD is fragged on every level.
Sharikou, how will Intel go BK four calender quarters after Phenom is introduced if Phenom is 25% slower than Intel's existing quads in Crysis, or a whopping 61% slower in SuperPi? These numbers are for a Phenom CPU overclocked to 3GHz as well remember!
lol anyone noticed that on the SPEC.org page for the only barcie score avaible?
SPEC has determined that this result was not in compliance with the
SPEC CPU2006 run and reporting rules. Specifically, the submitter
reported that the result would not meet the 3 month availability
requirement in the SPEC CPU2006 run rules due to a change in the
availability date of the system.
lol?...
SPEC has determined that this result was not in compliance with the
SPEC CPU2006 run and reporting rules.
Ahahahahah! Wasn't onedouchebag saying how much integrity AMD has, how it would never try to screw the customer?
yet more proof AMD is in a bit of trouble with Barcelogna
I won't even point out that early benches show an OC'd Phenom@3ghz unable to pass intel's current and upcoming quad core in performance...which means that the Phenom about to be launched at 2.4Gz for $330 will barely be able to, if at all, keep up with a $260 Kentsfield...
It was with an unlocked CPU and all the chips were running at 3GHz. Nothing to see here. Keep moving.
Besides, AMD engr samples run at 1.6GHz ( at least Barcelona) which means a near 100% OC.
SPEC has determined that this result was not in compliance with the
SPEC CPU2006 run and reporting rules.
Ahahahahah! Wasn't onedouchebag saying how much integrity AMD has, how it would never try to screw the customer?
yet more proof AMD is in a bit of trouble with Barcelogna
The only scores I saw were submitted by IBM NOT AMD.
GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
BaronFudrix
It was with an unlocked CPU and all the chips were running at 3GHz. Nothing to see here. Keep moving.
Besides, AMD engr samples run at 1.6GHz ( at least Barcelona) which means a near 100% OC.
Phenom's ES clock runs at 2.0Ghz, if I remembered correctly. Aside from that, the author also stressed the difficulty in overclocking the production sample, then stated that the overclockability found in ES may not be available to production sample.
Penryn's ES was running at 5.0Ghz in labs. Are you telling me that every production chip out there should also be able to overclock that high?
The only scores I saw were submitted by IBM NOT AMD.
Maybe you should look again. The only SPEC_nonrate scores are posted by IBM, while the rest.... are AMD.
Howell
GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
These are stressful times indeed for AMD fanboys. They have my sympathies, as Phenom is set to be another R600 all over again except this time there's no hope of competing with Intel until at least late 2009 with Bulldozer.
Poor little Howell.
Is your poor attempt at a life crashing down around you as your AMD house of cards is starting to come crashing down?
Is your attempt to stick it to the MAN (Intel in this case) beginning to make you look like an ass, as AMD is just as guilty as Intel is in the regards of getting and keeping business?
or are you just a poor worthless internet ethug with a small penis and no chance of life out of your mom's basement?
I say you suffer from a combination of all three.
Christian M. Howell wrote:
The only scores I saw were submitted by IBM NOT AMD.
i dont have to say more than this:
Test sponsor: IBM Corporation
Tested by: Advanced Micro Devices
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q3/cpu2006-20070903-01948.html
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seems someone also noticed the spec removal:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/06/ibm_opteron_x3455/
The story there implies that IBM notified SPEC so that the score could be pulled, because they won't have systems for sale within 90 days of putting up the scores. But if they put the scores up on September 10, that means that IBM does not expect to ship any Barcelona systems until after December 10th?
Just how many have they been able to make so far? O.O!!!
Christian, the shiny silver phallus, wrote
The only scores I saw were submitted by IBM NOT AMD.
GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
Having a rough day, princess?
IBM had to pull the numbers because AMD could not deliver the goods.
IBM looks the fool temporarily but they will PWN AMD with Intel.
And, don't even bother posting nonsense over at Scientia about HT 3.0 because you and I both know it won't do Phenom any good.
Must be rough being an AMD fanboi, especially one that dresses like a shiny silver phallus 24/7, 365.
Looks like Penryn has kicked your arse.
You can't engineer your way out of a paper bag. That's why Microsoft (Volt) let you go.
ROFLMAO
The walls are crumbling in the AMD fanboy kingdom!
Phenom FRAGGED in Cinebench R10:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2539748
How does it feel Sharikou? Hows that BK going, we looking at 2010 now?! LOL
Oh, and Mr Howell... what happened to the magical 3GHz Phenom obliterating all you seemed to take as gospel from Rahul Sood? Hahaha... you're a freaking joke. I look forward to your excuses when reviews show the fastest Phenom can't even match a Q6600.
http://www.spec.org/auto/cpu2006/images/nc.jpg
Must be rough being an AMD fanboi, especially one that dresses like a shiny silver phallus 24/7, 365.
Looks like Penryn has kicked your arse.
You can't engineer your way out of a paper bag. That's why Microsoft (Volt) let you go.
ROFLMAO
I'm also very violent and you are now on the list of people I would stomp. You fagboy little internet tough guy, name caller. Wait, I shouldn't insult gay people by lumping you in with them.
Libelous statements make a difference. You're just mad cause you couldn't work at MS at all much less 5 years.
Aside from that, the author also stressed the difficulty in overclocking the production sample, then stated that the overclockability found in ES may not be available to production sample.
What a spin doctor. He said it was th e unlocked multiplier. If it is at 2GHz, then that's a 50% OC.
Give it up. Phenom is competitive. Period! And what is your fascination with the term "Yo Mama?"
Are you trying to tell us something?
christian
"Phenom is competitive. Period!"
Perhaps when you OC it could be competitive to Intel lowest end quadcores at stock speed, at least as long as you don't look at the power useage
Oh my God, Intel has had a year head start on quad core and AMD just basically erased it.
We'll see benchmarks on a retail board soon. It may or may not change. And just to show what spin is, when Rahul made that statement there wasn't a Penryn or a G0 or a 1333 bus.
AMD will improve it just like always and a less than 10% loss with an ES and an obviously not retail board is not too shabby.
I hate that all of you have some type of weird vicarious thrill from CPUs. I just want to make sure that you all know your place.
Which is in the gutter. Hey wait isn't one of your names gutterrat? Wow, I guess you all found a home.
If you're going to bother providing a link to back up your ridiculous claims, it really shouldn't be a link to a blog.
The Bible is real because it says so!
Is your poor attempt at a life crashing down around you as your AMD house of cards is starting to come crashing down?
Is your attempt to stick it to the MAN (Intel in this case) beginning to make you look like an ass, as AMD is just as guilty as Intel is in the regards of getting and keeping business?
or are you just a poor worthless internet ethug with a small penis and no chance of life out of your mom's basement?
I say you suffer from a combination of all three.
I'd say you are the one with the insults so you have the problem. It's funny how you ALL do that and then call someone an e-thug.
That tells me you're suffering from some form of delusion that would take years of concentrated therapy to address.
I'd suggest someone but I don't really like you.
I'd say you are the one with the insults so you have the problem. It's funny how you ALL do that and then call someone an e-thug.
That tells me you're suffering from some form of delusion that would take years of concentrated therapy to address.
I'd suggest someone but I don't really like you.
Mr. E-Thug,
I highly recommend you review some of your older responses to Spastic Pizza where you offered to give out your address and such to prove your manhood, however small it may be, and other various e-thuggery, it shows that indeed, you very much take the internet personal, and thus have self-confidence levels and more than likely have not only interpersonal issues, but problems with your family as well.
If I was suffering from delusion, I would be supporting Sharikook and onefuckspert and the outrageous crap that pours forth from them. Hell by your very support of the fuckwits and lack of reading comprehension when it comes to AMD and Intel.
christian
"when Rahul made that statement there wasn't a Penryn or a G0 or a 1333 bus."
And how much exactly have those things helped Intel? More than 5%? More than 20? How long until we see AMD quadcore clocking 3GHz+ in retail?
"less than 10% loss with an ES and an obviously not retail board is not too shabby"
I'm still waiting for those 40%+ performance differences.
AMD reveals workings of its upcoming chips, hoping to shift the discussion to who builds the better processor.
By Alexander Wolfe
InformationWeek
May 19, 2007 12:01 AM (From the May 21, 2007 issue)
In lifting the lid off the "10H" architecture that will power its upcoming quad-core processors, Advanced Micro Devices (NYSE: AMD) is challenging Intel (NSDQ: INTC) once again in the battle for processor supremacy.
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To understand the competition, you must untangle the race to market from the debate over whose architecture is better. Intel is clearly ahead in the market. It already offers several quad-core desktop processors, as part of its Core 2 Quad and Core 2 Extreme lines. On the server side, Intel is shipping no fewer than nine quad-core Xeon chips.
Intel's laundry list of planned intros includes two quads based on its latest 45-nanometer chip technology: Yorkfield for desktops and Harpertown for servers. Both are due in the second half of the year.
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AMD, behind in the race to ship quads, wants to shift the discussion to which has the better processor. With Phenom, the just-announced name for the desktop quads previously code-named Agena, and with Barcelona, the upcoming quad-core version of the Opteron server chip, AMD thinks it does. Barcelona is expected to ship sometime this summer; Phenom will follow later this year.
AMD never hesitates to point out that its initial quad-core processors are fresh, from-the-ground-up designs.0 No other manufacturer has native quad cores, says Ian McNaughton, AMD's FX product manager. "Our competitors have dual, dual cores."
That dig refers to Intel's first-generation quads, which place two dual-core processors side by side in a multichip module--a design that AMD claims is less elegant than its "native" quad core.
Intel doesn't think so. As CEO Paul Otellini said in September: "The initial ones are multichip, but so what? You guys are misreading the market if you think people care what's in the package."
Judging from past history, PC users are more likely to care about performance than design issues. When dual cores debuted in 2005, a similar marketing battle occurred. AMD touted its Athlon 64 X2s as "true" dual cores compared with Intel's bolted-together 800-series Pentium Ds. However, the dual-core duel became, and remains, a performance battle. AMD was widely perceived to have had an initial lead. But Intel recovered the advantage when it introduced its Core 2 Duo line last year.
When Phenom and Barcelona ship later this year, AMD is hoping the new 10h architecture will help it do some performance leapfrogging of its own. The architecture incorporates enhancements aimed at speeding performance, including advanced instructions, improved floating-point execution units, and faster data transfer between floating-point and general-purpose registers. AMD also added optimization to make its hardware- based virtualization run faster.
Much of the elegance of AMD's approach is in the way it handles input/output to external devices and interprocessor communications. Its proprietary HyperTransport interface provides a more direct connection to the outside world than conventional methods. With 10h, the new-generation of HyperTransport3 debuts, boosting the bandwidth of the link by 86%.
AMD has said its quad-core Opteron would be fabricated in 65-nm CMOS technology. Intel will ship 45-nm quad cores later this year. Smaller is better in chip making because its enables lower power operation. It also lets the vendor get higher yields, by placing more processors on each of the 300-mm wafers on which they're made.
AMD is emphasizing that Phenom will support dual-socket motherboards. This will let two chips, each with four processors, be placed in the same system, for eight cores overall. Barcelona will allow similar multisocket configurations (including a four-socket NUMA design at the very high end), as will Intel's offerings. Clearly, the race to four cores will soon become part of the race to eight.
ONLY AMD has TRUE quad core CPUs. Intel has dual, dual cores.
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"Architecture can make up for lot of deficiencies, but brute force, i.e. clock frequency, can make up for some architectural deficiencies as well,"
"No other manufacturer has native quad cores"
I'd say neither does AMD if months after "release" even IBM cannot get enough of them.
@evil_merlin - ignore Baron, I do. He really is a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Obviously, based on the fact that oneretard and sharipoop are the same person, and the above "hector" post is the same formatting as oneretard, it is just another Sharifreak user ID.
I wonder what these clowns are going to say in a month or two when Hector resigns...they've already postponed their analyst day - scared of their investors...tsk tsk.
There's a link on Tom's stating that the 2.6 Phenom isn't going to arrive until some time in 2008. Poor AMD.
BaronFudrix
What a spin doctor. He said it was the unlocked multiplier. If it is at 2GHz, then that's a 50% OC.
Have you forgotten how to read? I highly recommend you go back and read the author's comments again. Oh, ask a 6th grader to translate for you if its too difficult.
50% OC, with ES, with unlocked multiplier. Therefore, given the production sample has a locked multiplier, you won't see 3.0Ghz. You'll probably see 2.4 => 2.6Ghz, maybe 2.7Ghz, but not 3.0Ghz.
Give it up. Phenom is competitive. Period! And what is your fascination with the term "Yo Mama?"
Yeh. I made this account after met up with your mom. Happy?
Hey, here's an RFC for you guys...
I've been reading and researching a lot on the internals of processors and its architectures.
Not at a high level either, but down to the actual operation(s) per cycle and which cycles affect which transistors/registers/buses, etc, etc.
Anyway, it made me think a bit about a few things and I was wondering if any of you out there were experts enough to provide some feedbacks.
1. Given that registers are a form of memory (just as L1, L2, ..., RAM is). Usually the more you add the better you will perform especially when you increase the one closest to the processor. There have always been 8 general purpose registers in the x86 32-bit processor and now AMD has added 8 more in the 64-bit for a total of 16. Does anyone know - by form of guesstimate, formula, experience or whatever - the potential increase in speed a processor would benefit if we were to add 1, 2, 4, or even possibly double the number of registers, etc.
In history it seems that every time an additional or additional registers were introduced it was always on a brand new architecture which makes the speed increase correlation almost impossible to determine.
For example I know that in certain RISC based processors they even have dedicated registers containing the value '0' and/or '1'. What kind of difference would this single register provide?
2. What is the cost of adding a single register? What percent of the die size is:
a) a single register, or
b) all 8 or 16 registers?
Obviously the advantages can't be that great if we've lived with only 8 registers (and now 16) for the past 3 decades!!
Unfortunately you'd need to recompile applications :(
I highly recommend you review some of your older responses to Spastic Pizza where you offered to give out your address and such to prove your manhood, however small it may be, and other various e-thuggery, it shows that indeed, you very much take the internet personal, and thus have self-confidence levels and more than likely have not only interpersonal issues, but problems with your family as well.
Don't call people names and no one will volunteer to make you the recipient of ICU treatment.
END OF STATEMENT.
THe only ICU you have to worry about Howell, is from sticking the hamsters too far up your busted asshole.
You know what, I'll pay for you to fly up here.
Only rule? You swing first, and its done at my kwoon so you can't get all pussified and try to sue if you get hurt.
Lets see how tough you are now you ignorant twat.
christian aka baronmissus wrote,
I'm also very violent and you are now on the list of people I would stomp. You fagboy little internet tough guy, name caller. Wait, I shouldn't insult gay people by lumping you in with them.
It's OK to be gay Christian..or should I say "Christiane"?
It is OK to be gay. Don't be ashamed. You wear the shiny silver phallus outfit well.
I hear you are the official mascot of the Castro District in SF.
Libelous statements make a difference. You're just mad cause you couldn't work at MS at all much less 5 years.
I should correct myself. I insulted paper bags all over the world by associating them with you.
Go back and program in Visual Basic, ex a- SDET.
ROFLMAO
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NO 2.6GHZ PHENOM UNTIL 2008
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20071107PD220.html
The sources noted that AMD will only introduce two Phenom CPU at the November 19 launch, the 2.2GHz 9500 and 2.3GHz 9600 models. A 2.4GHz 9700 model is expected to launch during December, but a 2.6GHz one will not be introduced until 2008, they noted.
AMD BK by Q2'08!
DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!
DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.
INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.
BUY FROM A GROWTH COMPANY MORE REVENUE AND PROFITS THAT'TS INTEL, SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.
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I saw an intelligent question on these forums, and figured it was worth answering. The question was specific to number of general purpose registers used in an ISA. The original poster was of the impression that greatly increasing the number of general purpose registers would greatly increase performance. This is decieving, as it may seem true that more low latency resources would increase performance, but there are other considerations to keep in mind when suggesting this.
First of all, the primary reason 32-bit architectures have settled on 8 general purpose registers is because of the number of bits required to encode them. Consider the case of 8 vs 16 general purpose registers: the former requires 3 bits to encode, the latter 4. This may not seem like a big deal, but for instructions that require 2 or more registers with immediate values, it quickly requires sacrifices in other areas (immediate length, number of opcodes, etc) to implement.
You could always look at from a circuitry perspective too: doubling the number of general purpose registers increases the number of connections required within the core of the processor. The core can be viewed as prime real-estate, and slowing down the core even slightly (because of the capacitive effects of greater fanout caused by more registers) will have tremendous impact on performance. It's somewhat analogous to caching and buffer choices: a fully associative cache and larger buffers theoretically increase performance. In practice though, it is entirely impractical and leads to very poor performance.
Having more general purpose registers will reduce the number of spills/fills associated with registers being dumped to higher latency. Will this make a significant difference? It might, depending on the code. Keep in mind though, that there are always trade offs to these.
Intel developed an architecture that was based on many of the same ideas: give the compiler control to greatly increase performance, use software pipelining and paralelism to execute as many instructions per cycle as possible by giving the compiler many more resources to work with. It was called EPIC (Itanium, read "Itanic").
Appearances are decieving... an architecture is only as good as you can make it perform in the real world (i.e. AMD's "elegant" design getting creamed by Intel's "crude" design).
Holy shit, someone with some true knowledge.
Bill, most excellent post.
Mass production of XO laptops kicks off
Eric Mah, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 7 November 2007]
One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a non-profit organization launched in 2005 by MIT professor Nicholas Negroponte to design, manufacture and distribute affordable laptop computers to children around the world, announced that mass production of the XO laptop computer began on November 6 at Quanta Computer's manufacturing facility in Changshu, China.
Taiwan-based Quanta Computer has recently doubled its manufacturing capacity, in part to prepare for the production of the XO laptop from OLPC. On November 6, Quanta kicked off mass production in its new Changshu manufacturing center, two hours northwest of Shanghai. XO laptop unit volumes will ramp up over time, leveraging the newly available capacity in the Changshu plant, according to OLPC.
The commencement of mass production means that children in developing nations will receive XO laptops starting this month, stated OPLC. Residents of the US and Canada participating in the Give 1 Get 1 program (November 12 - 26) will start receiving laptops in December 2007.
The OLPC has put forth a World Class effort to make the world a better place for us all and deserves our thanks.
Lets hope other world corporations dont try and turn this effort into a profit and greed nightmare.
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It’s been painful to watch Intel take AMD to the wood shed and continually administer a flogging for the past few years. Until somewhere closer to parity I would say the same if the reverse was true. Necessity being the mother of invention would expect AMD to get it’s sh*t together soon. Torennza and virtualization are coming of age and may offer some relief, but for now AMD production looks anemic.
NVIDIA REPORTS RECORD PROFIT AND REVENUES!
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1075229&highlight=
For the third quarter of fiscal 2008, revenue increased to a record $1.12 billion compared to $820.6 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2007, an increase of 36 percent. Net income computed in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) for the third quarter of fiscal 2008 was a record $235.7 million, or $0.38 per diluted share, an increase of 121 percent compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2007. GAAP gross margin improved by 550 basis points from a year ago to a record 46.2 percent.
Non-GAAP net income for the third quarter of fiscal 2008, which excludes stock-based compensation charges and the associated tax impact, was $264.2 million, or $0.44 per diluted share, an increase of 77 percent compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2007. Non-GAAP gross margin improved to a record 46.4 percent, an increase of 350 basis points from a year ago.
Everyone wants Nvidia Geforce GPUs and Intel Core 2 CPUs. This is clearly indicated in Nvidia and Intel's record revenues while AMD posts massive losses.
The Geforce 8800 GT is a KILLER price/performance GPU. Nvidia's Q4 will be massive.
AMD BK Q2'08!
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AMD poisons it's own employees, causes birth defects.
"Maria Ruiz was wrongfully exposed to birth defect-causing hazardous chemicals during her pregnancy and AMD knowingly failed to protect its workers from hazardous chemicals."
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AMD Delivers First Stream Processor with Double Precision Floating Point Technology
08 Nov 07 00:01
AMD Firestream 9170 and Supporting Software Development Kit Unlock
Stream-Based Accelerated Computing
SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--November 08, 2007--
AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced the AMD FireStream 9170 Stream Processor and an accompanying Software Development Kit (SDK) designed to harness the massive parallel processing power of the graphics processing unit (GPU). AMD leveraged its unique collective expertise in both GPUs and CPUs to deliver the first integrated hardware and software development solution that meets the needs of the demanding high-performance computing (HPC) market. AMD plans to deliver the FireStream 9170 and supporting SDK to market in the first quarter of 2008. With this launch AMD expects to achieve another important milestone on the path to Accelerated Computing by delivering the first in a series of next-generation heterogeneous compute architectures.
"With a broad range of customer engagements underway, notably customers in the oil and gas, financial and engineering analysis industries, AMD is delivering on its vision of Accelerated Computing with breakthrough benefits for our enterprise customers," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Graphics Products, AMD. "Leveraging the immense graphics processing capabilities acquired from ATI and the HPC domain expertise of AMD, we are developing strong relationships with system vendors and the supporting technology eco-system to deliver processing innovation through an open platforms approach."
AMD FireStream 9170
The AMD FireStream 9170 will be the world's first Stream GPU with double- precision floating point technology tailored for scientific and engineering calculations. Competitively priced at an MSRP of $1999 USD, it features up to 500 GFLOPS(1) of compute power, rivalling many of today's supercomputers, and providing dramatic acceleration for critical algorithms. This second generation Stream Processor is built with 55 nm process technology and consumes less than 150(2) watts of power - delivering an exceptional performance per watt. In addition, the reduced heat dissipation allows it to function in dense design configurations. The FireStream 9170 is a single card solution with two GB of onboard GDDR3 memory to compute large datasets without CPU traffic. The asynchronous direct memory access (DMA) ensures data can flow freely without interrupting the stream processor or CPU.
"GPUs have long been known for their immense parallel processing performance but many challenges still remain in driving widespread customer adoption for general purpose compute," said Jon Peddie, President, Jon Peddie Research. " Leveraging its unique capabilities in high-performance CPU and GPU technologies, AMD is well positioned to drive an integrated hardware and software proposition that can deliver the best of both processing worlds to its HPC customers."
AMD FireStream SDK
The AMD FireStream SDK is designed to deliver the tools developers need to create and optimize applications on AMD Stream processors. Built using an open platforms approach, the AMD FireStream SDK allows developers to access key Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) and specifications, enabling performance tuning at the lowest level and development of third party tools. Building on AMD's Close to the Metal (CTM) interface introduced in 2006, the Compute Abstraction Layer (CAL) provides low-level access to the GPU for development and performance tuning along with forward compatibility to future GPUs. For high-level development, AMD is announcing Brook+, a tool providing C extensions for stream computing based on the Brook project from Stanford University. In addition, AMD also plans to support the AMD Core Math Library ( ACML) to provide GPU-accelerated math functions, and the COBRA video library accelerates video transcode. Also available are third-party tools from top industry partners including RapidMind and Microsoft.
In addition, AMD is now a charter participant in HP's new HPC Accelerator Program, offering HP customers best practices and guidance for these technologies, and ensuring that accelerator hardware and software is qualified for HP servers running HPC applications.
"As innovative new HPC technologies like Stream Computing emerge, it is imperative we work with our partners to ensure an open systems approach to enable new levels of processing efficiency and performance," said Winston Prather, vice president and general manager of HPC at HP. "As part of HP's new HPC Accelerator program, we're working closely with AMD and our customers to deliver an optimal mix of hardware innovation and open, collaborative development environments to ensure delivery of best-in-class HPC platforms."
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ATI LEADING EDGE VIDEO SOLUTIONS
Sapphire's 790FX board pixellated
Website features PCB, retail packaging images
By Theo Valich: Thursday, 08 November 2007, 2:00 PM
DAAMIT'S PARTNERS ARE braced for impact, preparing for something that is going to be biggest ATI-AMD launch ever. Radeon HD 3800 series will be launched in seven days, on Thursday November 15th, with AMD Phenom CPUs and 790FX/790X/770 motherboards being launched on following Monday (Nov 19th).
As you can see on the box, the PURE CrossfireX 790FX will support three graphics cards and a physics Expansion slot.
Analysing the PCB itself, we see that complete power management is done by Volterra chips. This motherboard comes with DVRM or Digital PWM - everything is configurable, even some basic Owners of this board, Radeon 2900XT/3850/3870 cards and SSD drives will be able to say that they have first completely digital computer. No analogue circuitry whatsoever, and this will enable real tweaking of every possible system parameter.
Thanks to lowered power consumption, the heatpipe setup to cool down the SB600 SouthBridge and RD790 NorthBridge chips is more optional, but this setup delivers some serious overclocking headroom.
TODAYS DATE IS 11/09/2007 A.D.
2008 is still in the future for those of you who seem confused chronologically.
Freedman had downgraded Nvidia stock late October saying the company is bound to face tougher competition from AMD.
UPDATE: Nvidia Profit More Than Doubles, Beating Forecasts.........
Nvidia shares were down more than 6% at the end of regular trading on Thursday.
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TODAYS DATE IS 11/09/2007 A.D.
2008 is still in the future for those of you who seem confused chronologically.
NVIDIA's fiscal year starts in February, for those of you who seem to lack something called a 'brain'.
Nvidia still couldn't produce enough GPUs. Demand is just getting crazy. Now the 8800 GT! $199 -> $249 offering awesome levels of performance.
AMD OFFERS zero competition. HD 3850 and 3870 are prefragged according to AMD's own data.
http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.php?t=202465
Only Nvidia cards for comparison was 8600. The 8800 GT has pre-fragged all of AMD's upcoming video cards.
NVIDIA PROFITS UP 121%. INTEL PROFITS UP 65%. AMD PROFITS DOWN 400%. These are all large numbers but one company seems to be going in the wrong direction!
AMD BK Q2'08.
Rumours say Hector to leave Monday
Not true though
By Charlie Demerjian: Friday, 09 November 2007, 2:16 PM
A CONFLUENCE OF events has started the rumour mill jumping, all around AMD supremo Hector Ruiz leaving on Monday.
All variants are more or less the same with a few details changed, but they all seem to have one thing in common, they are not true.
The rumour is simple, Dirk Meyer will replace Hector Monday. Why? Several things. First, Meyer was appointed to the board a week or so ago, and now he is set to keynote Oracle World and Taxidermy School Monday.
If that wasn't enough to convince you, how about an AMD AR bigwig going on to bluer pastures (no, not them!) at the same time they can an analyst briefing set for Monday, Conspiracy? I think not actually.
What it sounds like is a bunch of things happening at the same time that people simply connected a bunch of dots and found a picture in it. Sadly, in a bunch of checking, we have found quite reasonable explanations for everything here.
This leads us to believe that a bunch of data points is just a bunch of data points without pictures behind the dots. This is backed up by the 'usual suspects' not hearing a damn thing internally. Of course once we say that something is not going to happen, the large hammer of universal karmic retribution is bound to land on our head, it has been far too long. I for one will not be wearing a helmet on Monday though. µ
HECTOR RUIZ IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING AMD INTO THE GROUND WITH BILLIONS IN LOSSES AND ADDITIONAL DEBT. GOOD RIDDANCE TO THIS TRATIOR.
DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!
DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.
INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.
BUY FROM A GROWTH COMPANY MORE REVENUE AND PROFITS THAT'TS INTEL, SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.
AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.
Amazing post Bill.
I have one more thing to add - x86 hardware is not really limited to those 8 GP registers. Since P6 days there is hardware register renaming unit, making sure CPU won't run out registers.
One other common mistake is "64bit will automagically improve performance of all apps once they are compiled as 64bit".
That is very wrong, as some programs can take performance hits of up to 10-20% if they are pointer heavy enough. All those pointers in data structures etc are suddenly taking 64bits of precious caches (instead of 32bits) they took before...
AMD & CRAY.........
THERESE POLETTI'S TECH TALES: Cray Feeling Super Amid Company Turnaround
09 Nov 07 A.D.
By Therese Poletti
SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones) -- As supercomputing nerds head to Reno for their annual geekfest next week to celebrate the world's biggest and fastest computers, one company is more upbeat than it has been in previous years.
Cray Inc. (CRAYD) , on the heels of a major $50 million customer installation at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, expects to be profitable in 2008, which would be its first profitable year since 2003. That would be a major feat for a company that makes some of the world's costliest computers in a niche market of high-performance computing
The Seattle-based company's fortunes are heavily dependent upon the whims of government agencies and their budgets, such as the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and national laboratories. Unlike some competitors, such as the dominant IBM Corp. (IBM) which has other businesses to help offset fluctuations, Cray's business is all high-performance supercomputers, with some revenues coming from services.
"I think they have succeeded in turning the company around," said Horst Simon, director of the Department of Energy's National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center at Lawrence Berkeley. "I think Peter Ungaro (Cray's CEO) deserves a lot of credit."
Such high praise by a scientist is rare in an industry made up of some of the brightest minds in computing, who are skeptical by nature of anyone in marketing. Ungaro was named Cray's CEO in 2005, after heading its sales, marketing and service business, and he also has was a key sales honcho for IBM's Deep Computing business.
Cray is now an amalgamation of the original big machine pioneer, Cray Research and a few other companies, including Tera Computer Co., which purchased Cray from SGI (SGIC) in 2000.
The original Cray Research was founded in 1972 by legendary computer designer Seymour Cray, who had designed the first machine to be recognized as a supercomputer while at Control Data Systems. Cray Research at one time dominated the field, but lost its position as the industry moved to lower-cost systems with more commodity parts over Cray's pricey custom designs. IBM is now the leader with a 53 percent share in 2006.
The new Cray has morphed into a company that sells systems combining the custom designs where it excels and the less-expensive parts demanded by cost- conscious customers. According to IDC data, Cray gained market share, with 20.9% of the high-end portion of the supercomputer market, a $668 million sector in 2006, up from 11.4% in 2005.
Supercomputers may appear to be an ethereal realm, but they are important bastions of futuristic research. They often portend new technologies.
For example, the Linux operating system was embraced early on by the budget- constricted national laboratories, a signal to corporate IT managers that the free operating system was OK to use. Some techniques developed in massively parallel processing machines, where thousands of chips gang together to share computing of big scientific problems, were adapted in the development of multi- core chips for personal computers and network servers.
The big number-crunching super machines are used for weather forecasting, nuclear testing simulation, oil exploration, pharmaceutical development, and climate modeling, to name a few of their uses. They are important to the U.S. economy and competitiveness, but the need for more funding for research has been a thorn in the industry's side for years.
Cray is on a roll with new products and contracts, but investors are waiting to see if it remains on track to make its anticipated deadlines, including its new systems, the Cray XT5 family, due to ship next year.
Cray's shares perked up slightly after third quarter earnings last week, but the stock is still trading near its 52-week low, having lost more than half its value since early April.
The company swung to a profit of $5.1 million for the third quarter after losing $8.3 million a year ago. Revenues grew to $55 million, from $32.6 million a year ago. James McIlree, an analyst with Collins Stewart, said the stock lacks a near-term catalyst and he lowered his 2008 estimates to 25 cents from 45 cents a share, due to expected higher research costs.
"It is tempting to get back in the stock at current levels," he wrote in a recent report. "But we prefer to wait ,since there are substantial risks ahead."
Others are slightly more optimistic. Kevin Hunt of Thomas Weisel believes the stock could reach $9 a share in the next 12 months, with potential risks including product delays, government funding issues and slower growth in the high performance market.
This week, the company unveiled its next-generation machine, called the Cray XT5 family, combining off-the-shelf chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc. ( AMD) with Cray's proprietary vector designs, called Black Widow and so-called field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs). Those chips are designed for specific applications for customers, and can perform certain tasks faster than general- purpose chips. Some customers want to mix and max these types of systems.
The new Cray still embraces many old Cray traditions. Some development teams are still at its famous Chippewa Falls, Wis., facilities, Seymour Cray's old stomping grounds. Cray still designs cool-looking powerful machines. Early Crays of the 1960s had benches around a concentric circle. The wild-colored machines, in hues from red, purple, to neon green, were wired by hand, with Freon cooling systems, seen through windows. New systems have mega-fans in sleek black and red or silver cabinets.
"Cray goes first class when we build a machine," said Jan Silverman, senior vice president, corporate strategy and business development, at Cray. "We build them like people build a fine automobile." New systems will be on display at SC07 in Reno. "We are expecting a lot of traffic."
A year ago, Cray won a major $250 million contract from DARPA to develop a new adaptive computer, an effort to push computing to new levels if and when Moore' Law comes to an end. A big issue facing the entire tech landscape, amid the push to mobile devices away from the desktop, is the eventual demise of Moore's Law, in which the doubling of transistors and similar increases in performance is no longer a guarantee after the next decade.
Cray's adaptive computer, expected to be completed in 2010 or 2011, will combine elements of the old, the new and the future Cray, with its own proprietary chips, off-the-shelf chips from AMD and Cray's adaptive software layer in development.
The final testing of its machine named Franklin, a 100 plus teraflop Cray XT4 computer, calculating over 100 trillion operations per second, and acceptance by the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley Lab, was another boost for the company. That machine has a good shot to make it into the top 10 of the Top500 list of the world's fastest supercomputers, which will be released next week.
"We have a shot at profitability," said Cray's Silverman. "What's not to like? " But ever-cautious after years in the computer industry, he added that there are no guarantees. "There is always risk."
Dont make a GIANT mistake and buy outdated, obsolete, pentium 3 relic c2d and non real quads.....
BUY AMD HI performance,energy saving, low cost, future proof, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
State of the art today, state of the art tomorrow and still state of the art in fiscal and actual 2008 and beyond.
Oneexpert still holding onto a dream.
What a fucking moron.
1.) AMD is still losing money.
2.) AMD still can't ship Barcelona
3.) AMD can't meet any production milestones at 65um.
4.) AMD is still losing marketshare in the overal CPU market
5.) AMD is still behind the performance curve (IE behind Intel)
No wonder Cray is still suffering with a multimillion year over year net loss.
Whoops! AMD even in more trouble...
Mind you even the 2.0Ghz Penryn can easily outperform anything AMD is currently shipping.
RESELLERS have got their paws on Intel's new Penryn-class processors.
According to x86 Watch there have been confirmed sightings of the quad-core Xeon X5460 running at 3.16GHz with 12MB of L2 cache and a 1333MHz front-side bus which is being flogged for $1,382.
There is also the quad-core Xeon E5450, 3.0 GHz/12M/1333-MHz FSB for $1,016 and the Xeon E5440, 2.83 GHz/12M/1333-MHz FSB for $850- and the quad-core Xeon E5405, 2.0 GHz/12M/1333-MHz FSB for $255.
The processors are supposed to be out on general release by Monday. Chipzilla plans to follow up with 15 new 45nm processors by the end of the year and another 20 in the first quarter of 2008. That is, of course, if it sticks to its road map.
Buy AMD if you support Birth Defects
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9604
Ryan's mom, Maria Ruiz, worked in AMD's Fab 14 clean room from 1988 to 2002. She was exposed to a wide array of toxic chemicals during her employment with AMD, including ethylene glycol monoethyl ether acetate and 2-ethoxyethyl acetate, known to cause birth defects. During her employment she had to seek medical attention at least twice due to fume inhalation.
Yes folks what we have been suspecting has come true. Proof that howell, abinstein, oneexpert, pezal (dumbest poster of all time) had their parents working for AMD and in turn were born retarded.
AMD when birth defects is the only thing your fab can yield
ONLY AMDS DESIGNS WILL SURVIVE.....PENYAWN OBSOLETE & TO BE REPLACED......
AMD Claims Intel’s Nehalem Mimics AMD Technologies.
After Intel Corp. at Intel Developer Forum unveiled details in regards its new platform featuring code-named Nehalem processors, Advanced Micro Devices has issued comments claiming that Intel actually copied approaches of its smaller rival to create more advanced personal computers.
“What’s amazing is that many of the ‘groundbreaking, innovative new technologies’ are close facsimiles of technologies AMD pioneered, is already shipping, and in some cases, has been shipping for years,” a press statement of AMD reads.
The world’s second largest maker of x86 central processing units (CPUs) says that AMD-developed HyperTransport was mimicked by Intel’s QuickPath bus, whereas built-in memory controller was the right thing to go already back in 2003.
“Products that are more than a year away, like Nehalem (compare to native quad-core AMD Opteron), and QuickPath (compare to AMD Direct Connect Architecture and HyperTransport) are simply Intel’s admission that AMD was right all along about an integrated memory controller being the key to a superior processor architecture,” AMD said.
Even though built-in memory controller and HyperTransport bus are two indisputable advantages of AMD’s Opteron, Athlon 64, Phenom and Sempron processors, Advanced Micro Devices did not touch upon their performance compared to current Intel Xeon or Intel Core 2 processors. The company also did not make any statements regarding relative performance of Nehalem and Bulldozer, however, it said that considering the fact that select Nehalem chips will include graphics cores, the acquisition of ATI Technologies and announcement of code-named Fusion project was the way to go.
“Later, Intel talked about its efforts to integrate graphics processors and CPUs with its Larrabee project, which should be seen as nothing more than proof positive that AMD had it right with its acquisition of ATI Technologies and continuing development of AMD Fusion processors, due in 2009. AMD is focused on delivering the ultimate visual experience to customers, and while Intel may talk about the visual experience, the mainstream PC platforms with Intel CPUs and chipsets leave something to be desired in that department,” the statement claims.
Form: xbitlabs
DONT BUY KNOCKOFFS, BUY THE ORIGINAL GENUINE AMD superior design, hi performance, energy saving, most often copied cpus, platforms and video solutions.
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Wonder how they'll spin Hector being out of a job. Rumor or no I *guarantee* its going to happen...
I wonder if onemoron knows that nobody actually reads his copy and paste press releases.
13ringinheat said...
Buy AMD if you support Birth Defects
I think Intel faced a PHAT lawsuit just like that back in 1997-1998... And Intel refused to cooperate to make sure it didn't happen again. Guess you've been buying products from a company that doesn't MIND birth defects??
Jackass...
Birth defects shouldn't be taken lightly!
bubba, that would mean onefuckspert would have to think for himself and we know how far that goes. usually right up his ass.
kingrichard says: I think Intel faced a PHAT lawsuit just like that back in 1997-1998... And Intel refused to cooperate to make sure it didn't happen again.
Guess what dumbass it isnt 1997 - 1998 its ten years later and AMD is doing that currently....unlike you i live in the present....even AMD's mistakes are ten years behind Intel just like their processors.
Guess you've been buying products from a company that doesn't MIND birth defects??
No i dont buy AMD
Birth defects shouldn't be taken lightly!
Yes that is why you should join me in banning buying AMD products
Watch Out, AMD, Here Comes Penryn
HP and Lenovo rushed out with the news that they're gonna be selling Intel's new 45nm Penryn chips in workstations
By: Virtualization News Desk
Nov. 9, 2007 11:45 AM
Digg This!
HP and Lenovo rushed out with the news that they're gonna be selling Intel's new 45nm Penryn chips in workstations a few days before Intel formally launches the chip this weekend.
The press releases must have been burning a first-to-market hole in their pockets and may be a warning to AMD.
Intel is supposed to line up and push out 16 of the little Penryn critters on Sunday aiming them at servers and high-end PCs.
The 45nm process coupled with Intel's breakthrough Hafnium-based high-k metal gate (Hi-k) recipe will have it talking up how much smaller designs can be, how much more cost-effective and how much more energy-efficient.
And while Intel is about to strut its stuff, AMD is supposedly having some problems with its new 65nm process and that's why it reportedly won't be able to produce its highest-frequency 2.6GHz quad Phenom chip this year. At least that's what a story in DigiTimes said.
Apparently Taiwan motherboard makers only expect AMD to introduce 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz models at the November 19 launch and a 2.4GHz part in December. They are supposed to be competitively priced however.
Dual-core Penryns, however, are supposed to be good for 3.4GHz and the quads should do anywhere from 2GHz to 3.2GHz. They all reportedly use a front-side bus worth up to 1,600MHz. The quads can have 12MB of L2 cache, the dual-cores 6MB. Pricing reportedly runs from $177-$1,279, except for the sole Extreme which run $999 in quantity.
Mainstream, mobile and business-class Penryn aren't due until next year.
Anyway, HP claims its new workstations exhibit performance gains of up to 400% over its year-old quad-core Xeon boxes, with double-digit gains in productivity and a faster return on investment.
HP's new xw6600 and xw8600 are eight-core workstations using either quad-core 5400 or dual-core 5200 Penryns and should start shipping in mid-December, HP said, at prices starting at about $1,200.
The 8600 can expand to 128GB with storage capacity for 5TB; 32GB of DDR RAM and 3TB of storage for the 6600. The units are fitted with two second-generation PCI Express x16 slots.
The HP boxes will run XP, Vista or Red Hat.
Lenovo's also got two dual-socket machines called the ThinkStation D10 and S10, run by the 5400 and Core Extreme QX9650 respectively, that should be available in January starting at $1,739 and $1,199 again respectively.
They are the first new Think-branded boxes since IBM sold its PC unit, which thought up the name, to the Chinese two years ago.
DO NOT BUY AMD PAPER LAUNCH BARCELONA CPUS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE. SO LATE TO MARKET THAT SPEC BENCHMARKS ARE NOT VALID ANYMORE AND NON COMPLIANT. BY THE TIME THESE CPUS SHIP THEY WILL BE WORTH SOMETHING - ON THE ANTIQUES ROADSHOW!!!
INTEL CREATED THE MICRO PROCESSOR AS WE KNOW IT TODAY AND THE X86 ARCHITECTURE. ALL OTHERS ARE JUST CHEAP KNOCKOFFS.
DONT BUY KNOCKOFFS, BUY THE ORIGINAL GENUINE Intel superior design with low die size , hi performance of speeds 3.16GHz, energy saving thanks to REVOLUTIONARY 45nm for 3GHZ 80W, most often copied cpus, platforms and video solutions.
Sharikou used to be interesting reading, but its become impossible to hide AMD's descent into agony and despair.
How can any AMD fan not see the disaster Barcelona has turned out to be? AMD promised a 40% performance gap, they just predicted in the wrong direction.
Everything AMD makes is now obsolete junk, AMD has the 2 billion of losses (and counting) to prove it.
"Truth" I agree it was once worth a laugh to read the blog as it is entertaining to watch stupid people continue to take little snippets and somehow be able to twist them like politicians to tell interesting stories.
These days between the PhD pretender and OneRetard even the entertainment factor is gone. AMD is so far behind, losing so much money. Even Hector Ruiz has stopped talking about his lawsuite as when your house is so fucked up and behind talking about how the neighbor beat you up isn't even worth listening to.
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Dell set to launch AMD Phenom, QuadFire system
XPS moving from Intel-only, Nvidia-only
By Theo Valich: Saturday, 10 November 2007, 2:04 PM
EVER SINCE DELL launched its XPS series of desktop and notebook computers geared towards gamers, the company has used only Intel, Nvidia and ATI chips in the range. And ATI DX9 chips only came in when Nvidia screwed DX10 Vista drivers, but things returned to normal once that nV driver team sorted things out.
Things are about to change. AMD is showcasing Dell's latest XPS gaming machine. When you know that AMD is showing a machine, you can figure what is hidden inside: an AMD Phenom processor, four Radeon HD 3870 graphics cards in CrossFireX configuration, reference (DFI/Sapphire) 790FX motherboard, and the rest of components dreams are made of.
We have yet to receive the name for such a beast, but if those Radeons don't have a certain upcoming video connector, owners of future Dell monitors will be less than satisfied. We'll bring more details as soon as we get them. µ
AMD stands alone with the only state of the art designs and intel is about to copy cat them all.
AMDs MARKET SHARE increases daily and by 2008 will cause intel to bankrupt.
AMD is the only real consumer cpu in todays market.
AMD is 1000 times better than intel.
BUY AMD/ATI hi performance, energy saving, low cost, most often copied, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
"oneexpert," I cant help but wonder if even you believe the crap you spew.
End users, be they a business or personal user, care not about how the processor gains its performance. In the automotive world, performance is all that matters. Nobody but the gearheads care if performance is accomplished with a supercharger, turbocharger or high compression.
End users dont care if its a FSB, hypertransport, MCM or native quad core.
Intel wins the performance race, period.
AMD has two billion dollars in losses to prove it.
lol @ this blog.. always amusing to read.
Anyway, I think I had a dream this morning where someone said to me that this K10 launch is "just like the K8", where initial K8s weren't as fast as the top K7s, but then to give it some time, the K8s came way out on top. Who knows, maybe in 3-6 months that will be true (maybe even in 8 days when Phenom launches).
I'll give K10 that long (3-6 months), before I'd call it something like "Disasterlona", heh :)
(btw, I'll still be building a Phenom X4 rig around Jan.. for me the features of Phenom, like individually clockable cores, is just awesome, loving it).
"for me the features of Phenom, like individually clockable cores, is just awesome, loving it"
Well, Penryn will likely take less idle power than K10.
Oh and hey, sharibitch - from what we've been seeing - a 2.3Ghz Phenom can't even beat an UNDERCLOCKED Q6600 (2.3ghz)...so Phenom at 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4 ghz is prefragged by Intels year old Q6600s.
Congratulations on making yourself look like an ass yet again...
amd barcy have to wait before it will show its true devil inside...today there is not many software developer yet to harness the latest amd performance library code and compiler. the latest SDK release by amd a few month ago are specifically targeted to run efficiently barcy. next year optimized software code will be abundant. these scenario happens when intel release the pentium4, it have very poor performance compare to pentium3. indeed, intel release p4 SDK to software developer for recompiling codes. the result is p4 seem to have better performance than p3 and it took almost a year to achieve.
"for me the features of Phenom, like individually clockable cores, is just awesome, loving it"
Well, Penryn will likely take less idle power than K10.
For those who wanted proof of the irrational bias displayed on this site.
A guy says why he wants a CPU for a certain reason and someone says, but this one will have this other thing.
Things that make you go, hmmmmm.
Hey Baron,
Didnt you say that you are an AMD fanboi? I mean you did admit to it didnt you?
How can anyone in his or her right mind take you serious? I have seen you in THG and you are being laughed at ...
You have no PC hardware education .. you really dont understand how cache logic works ... you have no idea why things do what they do .. other than reading powerpoint slides done for dummies at AMD. You ever questioned they motives? You ever said in your mind .. hey this sh** doesnt make sense?
Now AMD's design is nobel I agree to that ... BUT when people "AMD" start to lie about things that they dont have ....
Where is the BIG t ime bone/NUTZ crushing 40% advantage? answer that smarty.
Things that make you go DUH!!!!
Thank bill for your response!!
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Hey Sharikou, I'm in no position to tell you how to run your blog, but I do wish you'd take it under consideration when I ask that you 'police' it a little bit more.
For one I have no desire to read peoples childish propaganda (BUY AMD... or BUY INTEL... or SAVE THE WORLD), etc, etc.
Second, links to external posts or 'short' quotes should do... NO need to post the entire article here.
Please do consider banning such posts... thanks!
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