Intel laid off 11,800 employees in 2007
Intel now has 88,100 workers. FACE Intel added 11,800 troops -- enough to add a division.
Patty is on the layoff list -- rumor says. The only R&D people will be kept is the 1000-men REAR group (REAR -- Reverse Engineering AMD Research). Nehalem was a six-year effort deciphering AMD PDFs, and the REAR group got some pre-alpha silicon running -- though there are many many bugs to fix. It will be another two years before the world may see Nehalem - scheduled for 2H09 - in action. But, by then, Intel will have BKed according to reliable projections.
Intel's layoff is part of the contingency plan for the 2009 anti-trust trial. AMD lawyers say all Intel's profits belong to AMD. If they convince jury on that argument with some Nobel Prize winning calculations, all of Intel FABs will belong to AMD. When Hector talks about asset-lite doctrine, he was referring to getting all Intel FABs -sans the workers -- for free.
BTW:
Quiz: what is in this diagram? K10 rotated by 90 degrees?
Answer: the projected 2H 2009 K10 copycat chip.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 10/19/2007 06:57:00 PM
41 Comments:
Idiots like Sharikou and Copyandpasteexpert say that Nehalem is just a copy of Barcelona. But why would Intel want to copy a product that is slower than their existing Clovertown product? You see, when Intel releases a new architecture, it's actually going to be faster than the existing CPUs on the market. This is an idea that seems to elude AMD!
AMD still losing a ton of money. They only reported a lower loss because they sold their Spansion shares, all that land and they ripped everything they could find out of fab30 and flogged into the Russians at a discount price.
Sharikou has finally lost it.
Awww was the itty bitty crybaby afraid to leave my insult online.
What a douche.
I just found this:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20050901corpsummary.pdf
It proves that AMD's lawsuit is completely baseless and without any merit whatsoever.
For example, AMD complaining that they could not gain more market share while all they had was FAB30 and were selling all the CPUs they could make.
Sharikou,
The frequency of your posts following Intel's blowout Q3 results and AMD's Q3 $396M loss have not gone by unnoticed.
AMD's one trick pony K8 design has failed to compete against Intel's Core microarchitecture family. PC sales were strong YoY in Q3, and AMD did not participate except as a bottom feeder.
With Intel's impending release of its 45nm Penryn processor designs, K10 ("rev 10h" as the uber AMD fanbois call it) is destined to occupy Justin Rattner's "Dustbin of Obsolete Technology".
The fourth quarter will not be kind to AMD. And the first calendar quarter in 2008 which is the historically the slowest in the processor biz, will help cement its fate as the self-fulfilling niche player and second banana supplier in the CPU business.
Talk is cheap but I guess this is what you are best at doing. It does not matter how often you blog anymore or what content you have.
The ending of a Greek Tragedy is known to all.
ROFLMAO
AMD fragged in energy efficiency tests:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/19/the_truth_about_pc_power_consumption/
AMD BK by Q2'08.
Gutterrat said....cement its fate as the self-fulfilling niche player and second banana supplier in the CPU business..."
Well put gutter, but these fanboys will never get it...AMD has always been the second banana supplier in the CPU business this will just ensure that they end up remaining there...
What these fanboys fail to realize is the only place AMD ever lead anything, EVER was three years of performance. That's it. They've never outsold Intel, they've never had more market shrae than Intel, they've never actually develepoed a processor or process on their own.
And they never will, especially now, thanks to the bumbling antic's of Hector Ruinz (sic) and co. and insecure, small-penised, inbred, sister-humping retards like Shaikou and OneExpert and the rest of these mentally handicapped little children.
Sharikou - here's a clue for you - you're doing them more harm than good - the best thing you could do for AMD is shut your fucking blog down and keep your opinions and retarded "analysis" to yourself.
This is hilarious!
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10163
AMD thinks it has better mobile technology than Intel. What an absolute joke!
My MacBook with a 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo CPU is more than fast enough to frag any AMD notebook.
A friend of mine got a new ABS laptop recently, it's a 15.4" with a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB of DDR2 memory, a 100GB 7200 RPM hard disk and a 512MB Geforce 8600 GT M graphics card. Now that's a real laptop, tons of horsepower for games and other intensive tasks like video encoding while still providing a surprisingly portable machine with decent battery life.
giant,
You see, when Intel releases a new architecture, it's actually going to be faster than the existing CPUs on the market.
Like the Pentium 4 giant?
giant,
For example, AMD complaining that they could not gain more market share while all they had was FAB30 and were selling all the CPUs they could make.
Well like today giant? AMD has enough FABs and can’t grow.
How do you explain it?
Before you explain it’s because of “product quality”, where was the Intel dive in the Pentium 4/Pentium D era?
Monopoly: Bad or good products ensure you are always on top!
My MacBook with a 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo CPU is more than fast enough to frag any AMD notebook.
That’s a sure fact. But I don’t know about yours but mine is hot has hell. Top left of the portable is too hot. Even at idle.
The funniest blog entry ever from Sharikou.
No doubt you are very creative.
But why not F.E.A.R.?
This will be simple. Why don't you condense your arguments into one post next time?
Well like today giant? AMD has enough FABs and can’t grow.
How do you explain it?
Intel has superior products now, across all product markets: mobile, server and desktop. The only place that AMD will be really competitive in is MP servers when they release the 2.5Ghz Barcelona they have promised by the end of 2007. When you have four CPUs or more in a server, the 1066 FSB can be a limting factor. This isn't a problem in DP servers, because of the 1333 and soon to be introduced 1600 FSB and 12MB of L2 cache in Harpertown CPUs.
While AMD had the superior product: From 2004 (I won't count 2003, AMD had severe shortages of Athlon 64 then due to yield issues) through to mid 2006 all AMD had was FAB30. Intel was stuck with Netburst until June 2006, and AMD only made mediocre market share gains due to a lack of FAB capacity. They sold all the CPUs they could make during this period.
Before you explain it’s because of “product quality”, where was the Intel dive in the Pentium 4/Pentium D era?
Product quality is important, but you need to have enough product to meet demand. Northwood was an excellent CPU, but Prescott was awful and the Pentium D was also awful. Intel didn't take much of a hit in terms of market shares for two reasons:
1) The only x86 competition Intel has in CPUs is AMD (not counting VIA)
2) AMD was stuck with one FAB.
If AMD had additional capacity during that time there's no doubt that they could have taken more market share.
Like the Pentium 4 giant?
I'm not stuck in the past. I'd suggest that the Pentium 4 is the only exception to what I said. That said, Intel admitted it's mistakes with Netburst - Otellini totally turned around the company. Intel is executing superbly with the tick-tock model.
That’s a sure fact. But I don’t know about yours but mine is hot has hell. Top left of the portable is too hot. Even at idle.
You're right, the MacBook does get hot. I'm not sure what the deal with that is really, my friend's ABS laptop doesn't get nearly as hot to the touch and it's got a faster CPU, a 7200 RPM hard disk and a discrete GPU in it!
You can cool down the MacBook a bit by changing the fan behaviour, but this does make the machine nosier.
Like the Pentium 4 giant?
I'm not stuck in the past. I'd suggest that the Pentium 4 is the only exception to what I said. That said, Intel admitted it's mistakes with Netburst - Otellini totally turned around the company. Intel is executing superbly with the tick-tock model.
Giant,
I’m almost sure that the battery has something to do with it. When I remove the battery the computer seams cooler. There is also other perception to me, it also “feels” faster without the battery. I heard apple released a new bios (or firmware), maybe it solves the problems.
Also Giant for AMD to be competitive doesn’t need to be number one like you implied with the four CPUs or more in a server, "just" needs to release more products, like the RD790/780/... for example.
All the regular Intel dicks are here expect Evil_Merlin.....cant wait to hear from him ..lol wait ..did he already give up
Netrama (aka another sharifuck ID) meant to say....All the people with intelligence and a real understanding of how corporations and microprocessor technology works are here, so me, being a loser, will just leave...
And he would be correct to do so...
Um, some fucking math wizard.
What the AMD fuckwits fail to take into account is Intel sold off two major portions of Intel in 2007. Which means those employees are NO LONGER WITH INTEL.
That means those employees are not on the Intel payroll.
What a bunch of fucking morons.
Those that support Sharidouche are more retarded than Sharidouche himself as they have some inane desire to keep thinking that AMD is doing fine and Intel's processors currently can't compete with AMD's latest and greatest and fail to realize that Intel's new CPU's are about to hit the market and have already broken speed records from business apps to games and have been shown to EASILY hit over 4.0 GHz clock speeds on air cooling alone.
Keep thinking Sharikook is some kind of prophet you pathetic motherfuckers.
AMD fanbois are sad, lonely types. After all, you would need to be to be supporting Sharikou.
AMD GROWING STRONGER EVERYDAY....
intel keeps shrinking daily no matter how the intel fanboys try to spin the massive firings(downsizing)shrinking.
intel rigged hardware and benchmark fud tests and the intel fanboys are a embarassment to the world semiconductor community.
intel technical expertise is simply bankrupt.
The EU is going to fine intel 3.2 billion dollars and I am sure its just the tip of the iceberg that lies dead ahead for intel.
Antique, relic pentium 3s never have and never will provide the future of computing.
AMD, IBM, and VIA have provided the only coherent future of computing with cpu designs of superior technology.
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, future proof, most copied, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
Once again, oneexpert proves he is a fucking retard.
Oneexpert stop trying to hump your mother. I mean I know it worked for your brother, and since it gave the world, well you, I would avoid it even more. The results of such a mating could prove to be even more disasterous than the waste of genetic material that became you.
Intel's Pentium III relics are currently handing AMD's latest K10's a handy beating.
Imagine that, AMD's top of the line chip, all nice and new, getting beat silly by a processor that is a Pentium III relic.
Fucking moron.
intel rigged hardware and benchmark fud tests and the intel fanboys are a embarassment to the world semiconductor community.
Could you please provide proof for this?
Earlier on you said AMD had sold millions of Barcelona CPUs. Why is it, then, that AMD said they only shipped "tens of thousands" of Barcelona CPUs last month?
giant said...
I'm not stuck in the past. I'd suggest that the Pentium 4 is the only exception to what I said. That said, Intel admitted it's mistakes with Netburst - Otellini totally turned around the company. Intel is executing superbly with the tick-tock model.
Like ViiV? LMAO!
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/19/intel-viiv-embarrassment
Here's a snippet from that article: "[Market research firm] Digdia says in its report: "Viiv has proved to be more of an embarrassment than a benefit. Intel people seem to spend more time making excuses for Viiv than they spend trying to sell it.""
(wipe tear of laughter from eye)
Of course... I wouldn't mention "Nobel Prize winning" anything, now that we have Nobel Price winners that win on bogus ideas... hey.. isn't Algore on Intel's board? maybe he should be!
Compared to who? AMD? AMD and their loss of over TWO BILLION dollars over the last four quarters. In that same time Intel has reported over SIX BILLION in profit! Quad core, over 2 million sold in the last quarter. AMD sold about 20,000. Intel outsold AMD in quad core CPUs last quarter by around 10,000%!
Barcelona: Six months late. Ten months behind Intel. Clockspeeds at a pathetically mediocre 2Ghz. Fragged by Clovertown.
Phenom X4 and TRIPLE CRIPLE TALIBAN: Over a year after Intel with worse performance. Pathetic.
BUY AMD mediocre performance, energy guzzling QUAD FX CPUs, bargain basement, pre-fragged, based on copied x86 architecture, cpus platforms, and video solutions.
AMD BK by Q2'08.
Interesting - I just noticed sharidouche's post says Nehalam 2H209...funny - Intel is saying 2H08, which given their execution as of late, it will probably be Q308...maybe he means 32nm Nehalam in 2H09, which given the "tick-tock" schedule would be about right.
When will AMD have 32nm? My guess is around the 7th of never. 45nm 1H08 for AMD? Please, that was spew to soothe the investors.
Reliable projections??? Who's your's? OneBotchedAbortion's? (Which we could just par down to you since it's now proven to be the same person) Please, I doubt you can project when you're going to piss next, which is why you probably wear Depends.
News flash douchebag - no European court can legally give AMD any asset of Intels, profit's, fab, or otherwise. They can be fined that's it. Given that the EU fined MS something around 610 (too lazy to look up exact amount) million (and MS's cash reserve is somewhere around 49 billion or so, or almost 5x Intels) I highly doubt we'll see fines, if any at all, in excess of 500m.
Aside from that numbshit once a ruling is made, there's an appeals process that will surely happen and that will extend well past 2011. By that time AMD will be firmly entrenched in the #2 spot and even 500m won't be able to help them much.
Keep coming up with inane, moronic, statements there Sharibitch, we'll keep knocking them down.
I doubt Intel will replicate AMD's tiny, high latency exclusive L3. It's not really a winning proposition. It's pretty obvious that large low-latency inclusive caches are the better option.
Sharikou... nice blog and understandably irritated the hell out of the old Intel-loving crowd. Can't congratulate you more for doing a better job! :)
I'm also surprised by the late (2H'09!!) schedule of Nehalem, but I guess that's for the Nehalem MP release. I'm quite sure Intel will/need to rush single or even dual-socket Nehalem out in 2H'08, or lose all grounds they gained with Woodcrest/Clovertown to Barcelona/Shanghai at that time.
Of course the old Intel-loving crowd lives in denial and believes otherwise... they don't know that they're getting slapped by the very company they love when Intel is desperately rushing the AMD-copycat Nehalem out to stay competitive.
Sigh... Core 2 was such a terrific single (or even dual) core design. Too bad the 6-year-old system architecture makes it totally a loser in the multi-core era. :(
abinstein take Sharikooks cock outta your mouth. It makes you look silly.
Funny how Intel even with its current setup is able to beat Barcelona in multi CPU configurations.
I think, Sharikou, you overlooked that Nehalem has two levels of shared cache....
...where K10 only has one level.
Aguia
Like the Pentium 4 giant?
You also mean like K8 AM2?
Funny how Intel even with its current setup is able to beat Barcelona in multi CPU configurations.
Absolutely. CPUs on the world's most advanced process technology are out in just three weeks.
AMD was a one trick pony with K8.
I re-iterate my projection that AMD will BK by Q2'08.
Meet the 5-Watt, Tiny, Fit–PC
POWERED OF COURSE BY A AMD GEODE CPU....
extremetech.com — Meet the fit-PC, a tiny 4.7 x 4.5 x 1.5-inch PC that only draws 5-watts, consuming in a day less power than a traditional PC consumes in one hour.
The OLPC is also powered by a AMD geode.
intel cant produce low cost, hi performance, energy saving cpus and has left this entire market area to AMD, IBM, and VIA.
Its just one more broad intel market failure but they plan to copy the AMD geode design fairly soon, you know, knock off like the barcelona designs.
By the way fanboys, I have never seen a intel production chip meet the benchmarks that the engineering rigged chips do.
Even the AMD geodes are better chips than the c2d relic pentium 3 antiques.
intel(antiques) inside.
BUY AMD hi performance, state of the art, most often copied by intel, low cost energy saving cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
INTEL EXPERIENCING UNPRECEDENTED DEMAND FOR QUAD CORE!
After relatively slow start quad-core processors are beginning to rapidly gain popularity among various customers. Paul Otellini, chief executive of Intel Corp. said during a conference with financial analysts on Tuesday that shipments of chips with four processing engines topped three million units last quarter.
“We launched our first quad-core processor in November of last year, and by the [end of the] second quarter [we] had shipped our first million units. With demand for our quad-core products accelerating, we shipped over 2 million units in the third quarter alone. We now offer over 20 unique quad-core processor designs,” said Mr. Otellini during the conference call with financial analysts.
Growing demand towards quad-core microprocessor is a result of relatively moderate pricing on them, which begins at $266 for Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 as well as availability of software that takes advantage of multi-core chips.
AMD HAS no quad core desktop. Only dual core relics based on K6 technology from NexGen.
BUY INTEL high (corrected!) performance, state of the art, most often copied by AMD, low cost energy saving cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
I re-iterate my projection that AMD will BK by Q2'08.
Its quite clear oneexpert/sharikou knows nothing about Intel's CPU lineup.
Hey moron, you do know that Intel produces not one but three different bins of 5.5 watt CPUs right? And its FAR more powerful than the Geode. In fact its so much more powerful AMD won't say a damn word about it. Intel themselves are already working on a 1 watt CPU for the OLPC. What is AMD working on? Trying to make a profit...
Nope, of course you don't, because you are a fucking retard.
AMD's lawsuit is completely baseless!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/washington/22ftc.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 — The head of the Federal Trade Commission has rejected requests by lawmakers, other commissioners and a small rival company to open a formal antitrust investigation of Intel, the world’s largest maker of computer microprocessors, for anticompetitive conduct, government officials and lawyers involved in the proceeding said.
AMD will have to pay all legal costs. Intel will also sue AMD for defamation of character and will win at least half a billion in damages from AMD's false statements. All of AMD's executives will be found guilty of perjury.
I also hear that Bloomfield is on track for rlease in Q4'08. Paul Otellini and Pat Gelsinger are just too evil. AMD won't have anything to compete with the current QX6850 Kentsfield for well over a year, never mind the Yorkfield CPUs due out in twenty days that will scale up to speeds of 4Ghz and beyond.
But after all this, Intel has a new architecture to increase it's lead to astronomical new heights.
Hey, at least Intel didn't steal AMD's plan for making a profit! I'm pretty sure AMD is gonna take that secret to the grave.
Rodney:
Hey, at least Intel didn't steal AMD's plan for making a profit! I'm pretty sure AMD is gonna take that secret to the grave.
So in other words... they're going to release it late?
:)
Not just release it late, releast it under performing, over priced, and best of all, can't supply them to their biggest supporters, the mom & pop computer stores
giant
AMD's lawsuit is completely baseless!
Actually it is even worse. It says:
According to a disclosure report filed with Congress, AMD paid a lobbying firm $200,000 in the first half of 2007 to lobby Congress, the White House, U.S. Trade Representative's office and Departments of Commerce and State on "antitrust issues in the semiconductor industry."
In other words, amd paid the corrupt lawmakers to force FTC into opening a formal inquiry. Jeez! Hector ruiz is such an @$$h01e!
And these asshats complain about Intels lack of morality...at least they don't go crying to the government when someone releases a better product at competitive prices...AMD can't design their own CPU's, can't develop their own CPU's, can't perform better than the competition, so their solution under Hector Ruinz (sic) is to run to the government.
All of AMD's CPU's are based on other companies designs, with little to no innovation. They just know how to cobble other peoples designs together and take advantage of the one time Intel seriously stumbled (P4). Now that Intel is back on track they don't know what to do except yell "monopoly" and "anti-competitive practices"...and numbshits like sharidouche/onefuctard an the other mindless zealots who hang on his cock just follow right along.
AMD = copycats. Shardouche and his followers = Lemmings.
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>>when Intel releases a new architecture, it's actually going to be faster than the existing CPUs on the market. This is an idea that seems to elude AMD!<<
not necessarily so, manufacturing imperfections dictate slower speeds as well.
AMD's lawsuit is completely baseless!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/washington/22ftc.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 — The head of the Federal Trade Commission has rejected requests by lawmakers, other commissioners and a small rival company to open a formal antitrust investigation of Intel, the world’s largest maker of computer microprocessors, for anticompetitive conduct, government officials and lawyers involved in the proceeding said.
Wow, you're amazing. Do you know how long it took for the gov't to act against Microsoft about Netscape\Sun?
Fortunately, HW is not SW.
You AND Sharikou should burn in hell for wishing the unemployment of 10s of 1000s of employees who have nothing to do with the board or executive committee.
This is just about little pieces of sand and chemicals. None of us probably even make them. We all know Intel has played a little dirty, whether they "broke the law" or not is something else.
AMD has been and will continue to be competitive. Plus, it's in everyone's best interest for BOTH companies to stay around.
If AMD can raise their ASP even a few % in Q4 and claw 2-3% share, especially in server, they'll be very close to being bak to break even.
A company even offered $13.05 for 5 million shares and was turned down.
AMDZone.
As far as selling equipment, do you think Intel just throws 90nm equipment in the trash?
You guys make this site an even bigger joke as you just can't admit that AMD deserves to be in the world CPU market.
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