2.5GHZ Barcelona leads 2.933 GHZ Intel Tigerton by 41.59% in SPEC
The lead is significant. The INQ took note of it.
The 2.5GHZ AMD true-quad scores 160. The 2.933GHZ Intel double-double (Tigerton) scores 113. Power efficieny-wise, the 2.5GHZ AMD true-quad has an average power of 90 watts, the
2.933GHZ Tigerton burns 130 watts. These Intel tigers are more like hot cats.
See the picture above from Intel, the tigers are feeding from a single straw.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 10/18/2007 12:01:00 PM
19 Comments:
This should be good.
Did anyone REALLY expect AMD to not have better floating point performance?
AMD's alway's led Intel in FP, this is nothing new....
Some else pointed out that the Intel proc's had prefetch disabled - so as an apples-apples comparison this is bogus. That being said, see my first comment - I would expect AMD's FP performance to be better...
But since the servers I deply don't run Spec 24x7 then I'll take it for what it is...and the fact that I can order Tigertron's now and have them next month while you can't even order a 2.0ghz Barcelona server from any tier 1 vendor right now (let alone preorder it) speaks volumes... (or lack of volume in AMD's case)
AMD's financials are due out shortly - what will your lame attempt at spin be this time Ph.Duh.
There, there...it'll all be over for AMD soon.
Well, I can't find a Tigerton system on the Tier 1 sites. I think HP had one system that is supposed to ship in Nov.
I would think that there is an issue with the OEMs, since even Newegg has the chips.
And you would expect Intel to get to a shippable amount before AMD as they're much bigger.
I just wish you could keep AMD out of your personal issues. Maybe then Sharikou will keep Intel out of his.
And with that kind of perf, AMD could charge as much as Intel is.
I guess the plan is to increase the premium as they move closer to 3GHz.
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There is no issue with the OEM's - the issue is with AMD not making enough parts to go around...make some phone calls instead of relying on just the web.
3 calls to HP, Dell, IBM and I have three different quotes on a 4 way Xeon 7350 based servers with firm delivery dates in mid-November from all of them. Nothing for Barcelona based boxes, the sales response I recieved from all of them is that they may be shipping them in late November. Key word here... may.
Calling several friends who work sales at a couple tier 2 vendors reveals that they're not even trying to push barcelona sales, specifically on the 2Ghz parts, because all AMD has told them was "November" in terms of any type of shipment. That's on 2ghz parts - when questioned about the 2.5ghz parts they laughed and said "Maybe next year..." in one form or another.
HP DL380 G5
This is probably what you're referring to regarding HP...regardless whether thru sales or web I can buy it and have it sooner rather than later.
Try laying off dragging YOUR personal issues into a conversation regarding your beloved, broke, AMD as I've said nothing here that warrants you getting pissy, or, for that matter, was even directed at you...
Christian M Janitor
Well, I can't find a Tigerton system on the Tier 1 sites. I think HP had one system that is supposed to ship in Nov.
You can order a Tigerton-based HP server
here.
Actually, the estimated shippin date here is Oct 26. That is next week.
Funny I just racked two Tigerton servers today...
Brand new blades for my C-Class chassis from HP.
As long as Howell posts here, I'm never going to buy AMD processors again! Whine! Bitch! Moan!
Howell is a cunt!
This just in: 400 Million Dollar LOSS for 3Q07
Comments Sharikou?
Baron, where can I get this magical 2.5 ghz Bracey? If you're gonna 25% overclock the barcelona, 25% OC the Intel chip too!
Any AMD fanboys care to comment on a 400M loss?
I'll buy AMD based servers when I can get them again at a price/performance level that matches Intel.
If all my customer's did all day long was run SpecFP then I'd buy Barcelona based boxes...since they run a little more than a meager benchmark, I'll spend their money a little more wisely...
Actually when you look at the financial report this quarter, they're getting better, but still have a long way to go...at this rate they'd need ~2B in revenue to break even, and even with the perceived ramping in Barcelona I just don't see that happening....
Funny I just racked two Tigerton servers today...
Brand new blades for my C-Class chassis from HP.
As long as Howell posts here, I'm never going to buy AMD processors again! Whine! Bitch! Moan!
Howell is a cunt!
See what I mean. What's with the name-calling. Yes, HP may have them but no one else I checked with does.
BTW, this cunt will whip your bitch ass.
This just in: 400 Million Dollar LOSS for 3Q07
Comments Sharikou?
Baron, where can I get this magical 2.5 ghz Bracey? If you're gonna 25% overclock the barcelona, 25% OC the Intel chip too!
Any AMD fanboys care to comment on a 400M loss?
Yes, I'll comment. When you're in with a company that is on the anti-trust radar of several major countries while people like you just line up for an even worse monopoly, what can you expect?
Your beloved Intel just has questionable ethics and AMD is suffering for it.
I would say that AMD is not ramping up fully until the newer steepings are available that allow 3GHz clocks.
I mean why sell the chips at under $500 now when you can wait a month and sell the ones that are worth $2000.
As the CRN article said, people are waiting for Barcelona. Especially those with Socket F servers.
It is well-known that fprate is a bandwidth test, and not altogether surprising that Barcelona leads on fprate.
How 'bout the non-rate scores?
Oh, that's right, we don't know, because AMD won't post any.
Howell you scare me about as much as a piece of lint does.
Ignorant e-thug.
I bet you still wet the bed.
Internet tough guys... silly little boy.
Costs are up and margins are down. What a disaster for AMD!
Ramped 65nm which should have enabled double the die output as well as opportunity for higher performance higher margin products. AMD instead delivered higher costs with lower margins while ramping next generation technology.
Products are not competitive, technology are not competitive, resulting in deterioating margins as ASPs continued to drop.
AMD has no chance of recoverying here as 45nm is a couple years away. Barcelona and Phenom have really no chance to recover margins to the high 50's that is required just to break even for AMD. Now how is AMD going to pay for R&D it needs to do for 45nm silicon, products let along the 2 billion plus for a small 45nm manufacturing facility.
AMD can't make money in a booming growth, how are they going to make money when things slow down in 2008 when oil hits 100 bucks, the chinese stock market collapse and we get a recession next year.
AMD broken business plan, BK in 2008.
I wouldn't take it that far - after doing some more reading they might break even in Q4, MAYBE - but the need to deliver and execute - which hasn't been their strong point for the last 18 months....
Time will tell...
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