Friday, October 26, 2007

AMD gaining market share = more Intel layoffs

AMD's mobile market share is close to 20%. The Athlon 64 X2 TK series is very interesting. A true 64 bit chip is more attractive than Intel's Pentium 3 derivative which has very high idle power consumption.

Intel will BK at roughly four quarters after Phenom enters the market.

137 Comments:

Blogger Scott said...

AMD gaining market share = 400 million dollar loss

3:13 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger Mahboobul said...

It is very clear that unless AMD gets to 45 nm process, AMD will lose more money when it sells more units. AMD will not BK but will suffer terribly. Someone should put this dog out of misery.

3:38 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Lets see it gained .4% of the market for a 400 million dollar loss?

Yeah thats a GREAT deal.

Once again Dr. Fuckwit brings up the Idle consumption... and fails to mention under load the Intel chip is a LOT more efficient.


Typical fuckwit spinning.


Sharidouche, do us all a favour, shut your fucking pie hole. All that comes out of it is lies.

3:43 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger 13ringinheat said...

AMD in a desperate attempt to gain marketshare is selling their processors at walmart, kmart, home depot and other discount stores.

Sources say that AMD's processor are at such garage sale prices and lack of customer demand that walmart is giving away a 6000+ x2 if you buy one gallon of milk.

4:33 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

AMD processors are now sold at the checkout next to the gum.

5:18 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger GutterRat said...

sharikou wrote,

Intel will BK at roughly four quarters after Phenom enters the market.

Will you give me a hard date for Intel's "BK" for @()#*@ sake?

When will Phenom "enter" the market exactly?

Real dates. You know, like November 12?

LOL

6:06 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Sources say that AMD's processor are at such garage sale prices and lack of customer demand that walmart is giving away a 6000+ x2 if you buy one gallon of milk.

Free AMD CPUs in every box of corn flakes!

AMD still can't supply enough 2ghz Opterons to their customers. Since Phenom is the exact same core expect further delays, or pathetically low clockspeeds at launch.

11:18 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Sharikou also forgot the PERFORMANCE. Intel's mobile CPUs just frag AMD Turdion to pieces.

AMD is only good for low end junk.

P.S.: Crysis demo is out now, full support for QUAD CORE! Of course, AMD has no quad core CPUs for the desktop space. They are about a full year behind Intel in that regard.

11:21 PM, October 26, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Crysis demo is out now, full support for QUAD CORE! Of course, AMD has no quad core CPUs for the desktop space. They are about a full year behind Intel in that regard.



But Giant, isn't Intel also currently does not have any native Quad Core CPUs in space as well? Or else maybe you were trying to explain that the QX6700, QX6600 etc. those were not NATIVE but NAIVE Quad Core CPUs of Intel?? What i know, according to the reliable source, Intel will only got one at least in H1'09?? Wow.. that will leave Intel almost a year behind AMD.. ;-)

BTW, next month AMD will definitely be releasing their Spider platform. Spider will be given life via a NATIVE QUAD CORE Phenom processor, AMD's upcoming GPU refresh and a motherboard based on the AMD 790FX Chipset. Wow.. cant wait for it.. ;-)

http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=8648

http://www.dailytech.com/Gigabyte+ASUS+RD790+Boards+Surface+/article9367.htm

12:49 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Who cares if the CPU is "native quad core" or not? The perforamnce differences are minimal.

AMD is the one with a NAIVE quad core design. Their yields are pathetically low, AMD can't even ship enough 2Ghz CPUs to meet demand.

MCM is easy and cheap to manufacture at 65nm at speeds up to 3Ghz.

NATIVE QUAD CORE Phenom processor

Slower than Intel's existing CPUs.

AMD's upcoming GPU refresh

Still slower than the Geforce 8800 series.

and a motherboard based on the AMD 790FX Chipset.

Who cares? It's a chipset. Intel X38 chipset is already here and supports DDR2 and PCI-E 2.0.

That will leave Intel almost a year behind AMD.

No one cares if the CPU is 'native quad core' or not. Well, aside from you, oneexpert, Sharikou and AMD's marketing department.

3:00 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

DDR2 should have been DDR3.

3:01 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

AMD has no desktop quad-core. Intel does.

5:01 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Who cares if the CPU is "native quad core" or not?

Of course there are a lot of people outside there cares about it.. In fact, the reason why Intel 'copy+paste=copycat' AMD pdf also is because they care about it..


The perforamnce differences are minimal

Are you sure Giant? Isn’t in terms of scalability the AMD NATIVE Quad Core is much better than the Intel NAÏVE Quad Core? I’m sure the CRYSIS demo that you were talking about to be fully support QUAD CORES also will be more favorites AMD CPUs rather the glued Intel NAÏVE core.. ;-)

7:17 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

Ignore Pezal, he's just another inbred retard in the likes of Sharikou, OneRetard, Abinschmuck, and the rest...

7:18 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Sigh... I knew some retard AMD fanboi would eventually say

"Intel's processor really isn't quad core"


Well hate to break it to you pezal you walking lump of retardism, it is. FOUR CPU cores on one chip. You can blather all you want on "its not a TRUE quad core", but its still a quad core, like it or not. What makes things even more amusing, is Intel's DUAL CORES are beating AMD's "TRUE DUAL CORE!!!!!!" by a handy margin.


Avoiding the truth, doesn't make the truth any different.

7:57 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Intel's DUAL CORES are beating AMD's "TRUE DUAL CORE!!!!!!" by a handy margin.


What will happen to Intel if its latest generations C2D just like its Intel Pentium Dual Core can’t beat the old AMD X2 CPUs?? Ain’t Intel already BK by today if that happens?

8:33 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

Pezal, chew on this:

Intel has had a quad core desktop processor for nearly a year.

AMD only has powerpoints and promises about a quad core desktop processor.


Also Pezal, why have you fanboys pushed back your Intel BK estimates?

Is it possible that it is because AMD is losing record amounts of money while Intel is making record amounts of money?

AMD was selling at 40 and is now selling at 12. Why?

Intel stock continues to go up. Why?

Answer the questions Pezal!

8:37 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Intel has had a quad core desktop processor for nearly a year. AMD only has powerpoints and promises about a quad core desktop processor.

Ain't FX-70, FX-72 & FX-74 are AMD Quad Core desktop processors?


Also Pezal, why have you fanboys pushed back your Intel BK estimates?

That's because AMD phenom will only be launched by next month.



AMD was selling at 40 and is now selling at 12. Why? Intel stock continues to go up. Why? Is it possible that it is because AMD is losing record amounts of money while Intel is making record amounts of money?


Intel makes money because Intel abusing its power by playing a monopoly games to stay on top. AMD losing record amount of money because AMD already knew they will get the money back when they won the Anti trust case soon. So, for a while they dont care about losing the money but concentrate in preparing its first TRUE NATIVE QUAD CORE future processors.

By next year the situation will changed. AMD will make money while Intel losing money. AMD will enjoy celebrating its success for being true manufacturer of NATIVE MULTI Cores while Intel will concentrate to copy/paste AMD PDF to keep stay in the market. ;-)

9:12 AM, October 27, 2007  
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10:25 AM, October 27, 2007  
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10:29 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

What will happen to Intel if its latest generations C2D just like its Intel Pentium Dual Core can’t beat the old AMD X2 CPUs?? Ain’t Intel already BK by today if that happens?

All this talk of Intel going BK is hilarious. Intel has $12.5bn in the bank, earning $1.9bn in profit last quarter. This quarter will be over $2bn in profit. In the latest game tests Half Life Episode 2 on Anandtech AMD 6400+ 3.2ghz competes only with 2.33ghz Intel. Pathetic.

Ain't FX-70, FX-72 & FX-74 are AMD Quad Core desktop processors?


Dual core. Not quad core.

That's because AMD phenom will only be launched by next month.


Sharikou said the same thing before Barcelona launched. Yet Intel reported it's best Q3 revenue numbers in history.


Intel makes money because Intel abusing its power by playing a monopoly games to stay on top.


Intel makes money through superior products and competent management. I wouldn't trust Ruiz to run a little kids lemonade stand!

AMD losing record amount of money because AMD already knew they will get the money back when they won the Anti trust case soon.

AMD won't get a cent from Intel. That lawsuit is completely baseless and without merit. AMD will be forced to compensate Intel for this outrage and cover all legal fees.

first TRUE NATIVE QUAD CORE future processors.

No one cares. Intel sold millions of quad core CPUs last quarter. AMD couldn't even make 100,000.

By next year the situation will changed. AMD will make money while Intel losing money. AMD will enjoy celebrating its success for being true manufacturer of NATIVE MULTI Cores while Intel will concentrate to copy/paste AMD PDF to keep stay in the market. ;-),

Investors have said AMD will lose money right through 2008. Meanwhile Intel will rake in well over $1bn a quarter.

AMD BK Q2'08.

10:47 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Alex said...

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11:08 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

Engrish-challenged Pezal wrote:
"But Giant, isn't Intel also currently does not have any native Quad Core CPUs in space as well?What i know, according to the reliable source, Intel will only got one at least in H1'09??"

Native Quad-Core vs. non-Native Quad-Core is irrelevant. Intel has Quad-core on desktop, AMD does not. That's all that matters to the consumer. If and when AMD has a native quad core part shipping in volume, Intel will as well.

The average consumer barely cares what the clock speed is these days. All that people need to know is that it is Intel, Core 2 architecture and they choose at a price point. AMD gets the scraps left over. Just as it has always been. Just as it is meant to be.

11:21 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

Engrish-challenged Pezal writes:

"Intel makes money because Intel abusing its power by playing a monopoly games to stay on top."

And your point is... Japan ruled against Intel but that was basically a slap on the wrist. The US FTC has decided not to open an investigation against Intel. The EU is AMDs only hope at this point. However, even if the EU rule against Intel, it will punish Intel but that won't help AMD.

AMD BK in Q2'08. Just check their cash stockpile... I don't think they can afford another fab.

11:30 AM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Anyone who follows Sharikou and honestly believe Intel will be BK in the next 10 years needs to check themselves into a mental institution, because its quite clear they need serious help.

Pezal, I always thought you were a fucking moron, but now I need to revisit my thoughts, and now KNOW you are a fucking stupid moron lemming.

Are you really that fucking dumb?

C2D (and its Xeon bretheren) are already beating Barcelona. Intel's new technologies are hitting the market in a few weeks, clocking at 3.4 GHz, and its already been reported that they can clock to 4.0 Ghz with NO issues. Its looking more and more like AMD won't be hitting 2.0 GHz any time soon either, and AMD's 45um process is being pushed further and further back.

But of course, I'm sure you'll just be sticking your fingers in your ears, covering your eyes and blathering it ain't so, rocking back and forth with drool hanging from the corners of your mouth.

2:23 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

C2D (and its Xeon bretheren) are already beating Barcelona. Intel's new technologies are hitting the market in a few weeks, clocking at 3.4 GHz, and its already been reported that they can clock to 4.0 Ghz with NO issues. Its looking more and more like AMD won't be hitting 2.0 GHz any time soon either, and AMD's 45um process is being pushed further and further back.




I wasn't going to comment in this thread but this post is just too much. AMD gave Anand 2.5GHz chips to test with.

AMD has been demoing 3GHz Phenom for months. Even in Linpack AMD is clock for clock competitive and K10 totally destroys K8.

Don't let your feelings for Sharikou make you say things that aren't true.

Remember that AMD has several supercomputers to provide 10s and 100s of 1000s of CPUs for and Tigerton is just as scarce.

4:40 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Native Quad-Core vs. non-Native Quad-Core is irrelevant.

According to who? you? In that case, why Intel follows AMDs footsteps for the Native Quad Core? Why don't just Intel maintain with its current glued NAIVE CORES processors if the NATIVE QUAD CORE is irrelevant to them?


Intel has Quad-core on desktop, AMD does not.

Answered.


If and when AMD has a native quad core part shipping in volume, Intel will as well.


Yups.. a year later when they manage to copy&paste and implement AMD technologies to theirs COPYCAT CPUs.



The average consumer barely cares what the clock speed is these days. All that people need to know is that it is Intel, Core 2 architecture...

such as hows Intel implements the Impractical Double Chess Burger skills of the C2Ds? thats what you meant?


AMD gets the scraps left over. Just as it has always been. Just as it is meant to be.

Just like what was happened to the scraps PENTIUM 4, right?

4:40 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Remember that AMD has several supercomputers to provide 10s and 100s of 1000s of CPUs for and Tigerton is just as scarce.

Ekekeke.. very good point, Howell!

4:51 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Look a the Sharidouche fanboi's spin!

AMD gave Anand 2.5 GHz chips to test with? Well then how come I can't buy one today? Giving a test CPU to Anand does not make a CPU anything but an AMD one off.


Quoting from Anand:
we are to believe that 15% is the best we'll get on average, taking into account that Penryn is around 5% faster than Conroe, the updated architecture from AMD alone isn't enough to really compete with Intel

WHoops! So much for AMD against C2D, let alone Penryn!


As the moron would say: Ekekeke

Whoops! Sharikou's fanbois got owned! Again!

From the source material they posted!

Love it. Simply love it.

6:06 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

What will happen to Intel if its latest generations C2D just like its Intel Pentium Dual Core can’t beat the old AMD X2 CPUs?? Ain’t Intel already BK by today if that happens?

Pezal, that may even beat your moronic 2.4Ghz K10 being 485% faster than 1.6Ghz K10 comment! I'm still not sure if it beats the one where you openly bragged about how great Barcelona was by posting a benchmark that showed it was SLOWER than existing Intel chips at the same clock, but this is close!

Hey Pezal, your comment is the most non-sensical blather I've seen in a long time even on this board! Maybe Intel will stop making chips entirely, and try to shove grilled-cheese sandwiches into CPU sockets!! Yeah, I'm sure they'll do that! Maybe Intel will decide to give all of their new CPUs to AMD for free! Yeah that'll BK Intel really quick!

The problem (you drooling, racist fucktard) is that we don't live in magical AMD candy-world where the happy gum-drop fairies give out magical CPUs to all the AMD fanboys and Intel intentionally makes CPUs designed to make AMD look good. Instead we live on this planet called "earth" where you need to actually compete with actual product. As usual, you blame Intel for all of your own problems instead of booting Hector out on his ass and getting someone in who could save AMD (although it might be too late at this point).

6:37 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger yestertech said...

Christian M. Howell said...

AMD has been demoing 3GHz Phenom for months. Even in Linpack AMD is clock for clock competitive and K10 totally destroys K8.


Has anyone actually seen a 3GHz Phenom actually running on all cores? The controlled, hands off demos I noticed did not prove for certain.

Serious question...

6:40 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger machupi1 said...

In that case, why Intel follows AMDs footsteps for the Native Quad Core? Why don't just Intel maintain with its current glued NAIVE CORES processors if the NATIVE QUAD CORE is irrelevant to them?

All your base are belong to us

6:51 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

how great Barcelona was by posting a benchmark that showed it was SLOWER than existing Intel chips at the same clock, but this is close!

Barcelona clocked at 2GZH is roughly 25-30% faster than Clover running at 2.33GZH. At the same clock speed, Barcelona would be 50-60% faster than Intel Clover.. ;-)


Maybe Intel will stop making chips entirely, and try to shove grilled-cheese sandwiches into CPU sockets!! Yeah, I'm sure they'll do that! Maybe Intel will decide to give all of their new CPUs to AMD for free! Yeah that'll BK Intel really quick!

Hahahahaha.. this is the funny comment ever I heard from you chucky.. Anyway, lets hope that will become true soon.. ;-)


Instead we live on this planet called "earth" where you need to actually compete with actual product.

I totally agree with you at this point. The real competition of AMD Vs INTEL we will only able to see by early next year, when AMD has fully released its latest CPUs called Phenom to the desktop space.

8:38 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger GutterRat said...

christian, the shiny silver phallus, wrote,

AMD has been demoing 3GHz Phenom for months. Even in Linpack AMD is clock for clock competitive and K10 totally destroys K8.

Ho-hum. How quaint to point out that K10 frags K8. And how entirely unimpressive to be talking about Linpack...yawn.

AMD is in business to make money. It needs to be competitive with Intel. Given what we've seen published in the 'previews' and based on reality checks, it isn't looking that great for the green team.

Hell, K10 destroys K8! Yet Core 2 today frags K8 and K10 and from all indications Penryn will extend the job for the foreseeable future.

pezal wrote something along how Barcelona with some ficticious clock scaling would beat Clovertown.

Look, imaginary frequency extrapolations by themselves don't mean jack. What matters are real numbers on actual parts OEM and end-user customers can get their hands on and measure for themselves.

You know, like Intel's been doing very successfully as evidenced by below.

Intel shipped 3 million Quad Core CPUs and demand increasing

ROFLMAO

10:25 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Barcelona clocked at 2GZH is roughly 25-30% faster than Clover running at 2.33GZH. At the same clock speed, Barcelona would be 50-60% faster than Intel Clover.. ;-)

BS. Clovertown clean kills Barcelona. http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13176

Oh, I forgot. In AMD fanboi land there's only one benchmark: Spec FP tests!

10:27 PM, October 27, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

What matters are real numbers on actual parts OEM and end-user customers can get their hands on and measure for themselves.


Yeah. No doubt about it. As we all already know, most of the fanatic customers of Intel out there (such as Giant and his Intel friends) do not care so much about the quality and originality of the CPUs they've bought. For them, what’s really matter is the brand of Intel itself. They don’t care about the Intel CPU architectures and perhaps they might also don’t know if the Intel CPUs that they’ve bought actually are non-native multi core CPUs. ;-)

1:27 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...


Has anyone actually seen a 3GHz Phenom actually running on all cores? The controlled, hands off demos I noticed did not prove for certain.

Serious question...


The only thing they couldn't do was run benchmarks. They showed all four cores running Stranglehold.

Anand showed that AMD has caught up and surpassed Intel in a lot of SSE code. Especially when heavy memory accesses occur.

8:18 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

AMD has been demoing 3GHz Phenom for months. Even in Linpack AMD is clock for clock competitive and K10 totally destroys K8.

If you would let go of your hostility you would see that I meant competitive with C2Q even in an Intel-favored benchmark like Linpack.

When you look at non-Intel SSE benches AMD wins. Check out Anand's Barcelona review. And it's been said that B2F stepping improves perf by 10%+.

Plus, as you increase clock with K10 the IMC \NoBridge speed increases also so when 3GHz is hit in a few months the IMC will run at 2.4GHz and can run even higher.

And before you mention 4GHz Penryn, remember that 3.2GHz Penryn uses 150W, so like I keep saying 4GHz will be close to 200W. Not any time soon, I'd say.

8:29 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

And before you mention 4GHz Penryn, remember that 3.2GHz Penryn uses 150W, so like I keep saying 4GHz will be close to 200W. Not any time soon, I'd say.

Totally wrong. In less than three weeks 3Ghz Harpertown CPUs will be here with 80W TDP.

Yorkfield 3Ghz is already hitting 4.6GHz ON AIR. Hell, they can hit 4Ghz with the wimpy Intel fan.

Intel can produce a 120W 3Ghz CPU now on 65nm. Going up 200mhz on a revolutionary new 45nm high-k metal gate process is not going to push up the TDP to 150W.

Yes, I know the Skulltrail article you will link to. I have read the same article. But when you consider the facts, 150W 3.2Ghz just makes zero sense.

8:51 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

when 3GHz is hit in a few months

You wish. AMD can't even supply enough 2Ghz CPUs to it's customers.

9:16 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

AMD another multi HUNDRED million dollar loss

INTEL billion+ dollar profit quarter

What is INTEL doing about it? Cutting cost by laying off more dead wood IT, crappy FSB and netbust designers. Shutting down old fabs and lazy fab workers and upgrading to 300mm manufacturing 45nm. Getting rid of all the old weight and hiring more cheap Chinese workers for to work a dollar an hour

Profits at INTEL will soon be doing 2 billion a quarter


While the men in green still try to figure out how to keep the last good ATI designers, hope that somehow IBM can figure out high-k metal gate and get it in time for 32nm.

AMD executives still trying to figure out how to fund their 45nm factor where immersion steppers cost upwards of 50million a pop. What does AMD get when it does immersion, they get slow barcelona and phenom selling at garage sales prices so they can continue to lose hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter

Yup what a business plan, crow the market share growht but forget AMD has no business plan

"Ph"ony "D"ocotorate speaks again.

Keep it up Sharikou

11:06 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger GutterRat said...

christian,

- Barcelona is a dud
- K8 frags K10 and Core 2 designs frag both
- Intel wins with SSE or without it
- It's too late. The train has left the station

How many quad cores did AMD ship again? I can tell you that Intel has shipped over 3 Million.

No wonder Microsoft RIF'd you. You can't win a technical argument and you were let go during the real interview loop.

ROFLMAO

11:09 AM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...


How many quad cores did AMD ship again? I can tell you that Intel has shipped over 3 Million.

No wonder Microsoft RIF'd you. You can't win a technical argument and you were let go during the real interview loop.


This is what I mean about the Brood. Why can't you have a discussion without throwing insults? Cause you're a clinging little bitch, that's why.

I said nothing about numbers of quad cores shipped.

12:20 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

Intel can produce a 120W 3Ghz CPU now on 65nm. Going up 200mhz on a revolutionary new 45nm high-k metal gate process is not going to push up the TDP to 150W.

Yes, I know the Skulltrail article you will link to. I have read the same article. But when you consider the facts, 150W 3.2Ghz just makes zero sense.







Although it's public knowledge that Intel's "Penryn" processor is launching on Nov. 12, I checked with Intel PR to see what's been (and what will be) officially released.

As of Friday, the word is that the the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 and "several" Xeons will be launched on that date. Intel talked a bit about the chip at its "Skulltrail" platform talk at the recent Intel Developer Forum. The new 3.0-GHz QX9650 microprocessor, part of the "Yorkdale" family, will use a 1.3-GHz front-side bus, a 12 Mbyte level-2 cache, an LGA775 socket and consume 130 watts of power.



That's from this week's ExtremeTech.com news. A reputable site. 130W for 3GHz.

I'm not knocking Intel. I'm just realistic about a retail 4GHz chip anytime soon. OCing doesn't count. Measure the power draw at 4GHz.

1:06 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

"Intel will BK at roughly four quarters after Phenom enters the market."

Nope... Not gonna happen.

1:28 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Alex said...

Silver puss said:

"I'm just realistic about a retail 4GHz chip anytime soon. OCing doesn't count. Measure the power draw at 4GHz."

Then be realistic to admit that there is no HVM 3 GIG AMD chip out there ... maybe they overclocked it?
So why is it ok for AMD BUT not ok for Intel?

1:28 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Alex said...

Silver puss said:
"I said nothing about numbers of quad cores shipped."

Yea sure because its not good to say that Intel sold 3 million and AMD sold what 100k?

What ever does NOT work to support your blind "faith" does not count and there is no discussion there !!!! or you dont want to go there ...

1:31 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

Engrish-challenged Pezal wrote a bunch of drivel...

"Yups.. a year later when they manage to copy&paste and implement AMD technologies to theirs COPYCAT CPUs ...
blah, blah, blah (mispelling) blah, blah, (typo), blah, blah (bad grammar), yada yada yada..."

I don't think you really understand why Intel implements things later than AMD. Basically Justin Rattner explained it in this article.
Link

Since you probably won't read the article, I will sum it up... Intel doesn't need to implement the latest/greatest technology to stay ahead of AMD. When the time comes, Intel will have IMC. And when the time comes, Intel will have native quad-core. For now it is irrelevant since Intel can already beat AMD on many benchmarks with old, P3 architectures with massive caches while maintaining a low power profile. That is what the customer cares about. Oh and they can make money while doing it.

Pezal, I won't continue to respond to your idiotic arguments and point out the flaws in your Engrish and logic. Chris Rock summed it up best ... "It's kinda like playing basketball with a retarded kid and calling him for double-dribble. Sometimes you have to let things slide."

1:47 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

Christian M. Howell wrote:
"OCing doesn't count. Measure the power draw at 4GHz."

Dell will sell you a Dell warranted over clocked Quad code today on their XPS 720H2C desktop. For some applications it is clear that over clocking does count. It also counts because it indicates how much headroom a chip process has. IF you can over clock an Intel part by 30%+ on air-cooling and can only over clock an AMD part by 5% on air, what does that tell you about headroom? If you can't answer that question, maybe you ought not continue your rhetoric.

1:55 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

Pezal,

The FX series are dual core processors. They only have two cores.

7:31 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Tom's Hardware reviewed an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000 Black Box 65 nm that will over clock to 3.3 & not raise the FSB. Remember this is a dual core so dont jump on my post comparing to a quad core...

7:45 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

3.3Ghz is nothing. Any decent C2D will hit 3.6Ghz easily. B3 stepping Quads hit about 3.4Ghz. G0 stepping does about 3.6Ghz. All on air. When you factor in Intel's 20% IPC advantage over AMD, AMD needs a 4.32Ghz dual core to compete with a 3.6Ghz C2D.

4Ghz Christian Howell? It's 4.6Ghz on air.

We've seen the real data:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Intel_Harpertown_Model_Number_%26_Clock_Speed_Unveiled/5116.html

3Ghz, 80W for servers. 3.16GHz, 3.2Ghz: 120W. 3.4Ghz dual core: 80W.

If you read the threads over at XS where the 3Ghz Yorkfield is hitting 4.6Ghz on air you'll find power draw figures at stock. The CPU is rated for 130W (well, all the Quad extremes are) but it's not using anywhere near that amount.

10:13 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger anti-Intel guy said...

Take a look here guys:

Phenom X4 vs. Yorkfield tested in Crysis

http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29/1193590532d6599.html

...so it seems that QX9650 is no better than QX6850. Intel Penryn is such a waste of silicon, and the Phenom is just an ES; imagine what rev. B2 can do...

11:14 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

anti-Intel guy
so it seems that QX9650 is no better than QX6850. Intel Penryn is such a waste of silicon, and the Phenom is just an ES; imagine what rev. B2 can do...


Did you bother to notice that the Intel 3.0GHz Dual-core was faster than the Phenom X4?

Didn't you think GPU bottleneck?

11:32 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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11:34 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Pathetic. AMD's 'new' CPU is beaten by Intel's existing architecture. That's right. AMD's CPUs that are not even out yet are simply fragged to pieces by Kentsfield.

Nevermind the fact that the Penryn CPUs overclock to 4.6Ghz on air. Or the fact that AMD won't be able to have 3GHz quad core until next year.

AMD BK by Q2'08.

11:42 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Nice to see that oneexpert's little post was just deleted.

BUY INTEL HI PERFORMANCE, LOW COST, ENERGY SAVING, STATE OF ART 45NM mADE HERE IN USA CPUS.

DO NOT BUY AMD OUTDATED MADE OVERSEAS GERMAN CPUS from AMD supporting the third reich.

11:47 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

AMD STANDS ALONE WITH THE ONLY FUTURE PROOF CPUS YOU CAN BUY....

intels entire line up of c2d and quads are soon to fill a garbage can near you, they are obsolete debris to be replaced with intels barcelona knock off.

Not only is the c2d line obsolete it contains borrowed designs from transmeta.

$250 million dollars later induls c2ds and quads are finally legal.

Why would anyone buy the intel version of any cpu????
Its usually a outdated version of the the cpu thats already been upgraded by the original design manufacturer.

To know and not to do is the same as not knowing at all.

Frankly 45nm of obsolete, is no better than 65nm of obsolete, which is just as bad a 90nm of obsolete.

DONT BUY intels OBSOLETE CPUS AND PLATFORMS...

BUY state of the art AMD CPUS AND PLATFORMS....

BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, only future proof, cpus, platforms and video solutions.

11:47 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

and guess what... AMD's new CPUs that aren't even out yet are beaten by Intel's 'Pentium 3 relics' oneexpert. How pathetic. Transmeta is being countersued by Intel. Intel will get all it's money back and more.

AMD is being sued by SGI, Opti Inc and MicroUnity and even more for illegally using their IP.

11:55 PM, October 28, 2007  
Blogger GutterRat said...

Dear sharikou, shiny silver phallus and the rest of the AMD droids,

Tech Report Intel Core 2 Extreme 45nm Penryn article

AMD, rest in pieces.

ROFLMAO
Game over on November 12

12:04 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

The HardOCP results are good as well. They overclocked the CPU to over 4.3Ghz with no real effort.

12:49 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Peter said...

LOL!

http://news.expreview.com/2007-10-29/1193590532d6599.html

O/Ced 3GHz Phenom X4 gets FRAGGED by 3GHz C2D/C2Q in Crysis!

Cmon, spin this Doc! (and the rest of you AMD fanboys!)

3:51 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

lol the 45nm process of intel is a killer for amd, there new quad needs the same power under load as amds top dualcore (A64 x2 6400+).... what a shame...

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2007/intel_qx9650/index6.php

and i cant wait till hardtecs has finished moding the mobo so we can see the cpu consumption. :)

4:29 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Wait, was that just onefuckwit posting how C2D are being replaced with the new Penryn based CPUs and how they are all going to fill dumpsters?

So onefuckwit, what about all those K8's that are being replaced by K10's???

What a FUCKING MORON.

7:06 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Tonus said...

pezal:
According to who? you? In that case, why Intel follows AMDs footsteps for the Native Quad Core? Why don't just Intel maintain with its current glued NAIVE CORES processors if the NATIVE QUAD CORE is irrelevant to them?

I agree that Intel would prefer to have produced a native quad-core from the start. I think they did not do so for practical reasons. I think AMD tried it in order to differentiate themselves as a leader in innovation and in the hopes of having a marketing angle.

Performance-wise I don't know how much of a difference it would make, what with the level of software support for more than 2 CPUs. From a marketing standpoint it had to help Intel to be able to say that they had the only quad-core CPU.

But in the end much of it comes down to gimmicks and I think other forces come into play. After all, Apple has Mac computers with dual quad-core Xeons for a whopping eight core setup, but they only have a small share of the PC market.

7:21 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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7:55 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

I think Merlin takes Sharikou too seriously. It's like you're yelling at a puppy for pissing on your carpet. The puppy doesn't know any better and doesn't understand English.

8:07 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

TRANSMETA WINS...intel LOST...


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Intel Corp. has agreed to pay $250 million over five
years to Transmeta Corp. to settle a patent-infringement lawsuit over chip
designs and power management technology, the two companies said Wednesday.
The truce means Intel will be allowed to incorporate patented Transmeta technologies in its chips for 10 years under a non-exclusive license and the two sides will abandon their lawsuits against each other.

Transmeta's stock more than tripled on the news, gaining $9.75 during
regular trading Wednesday to close at $13.93. Intel shares fell 79 cents to
$26.01.
Intel will pay a one-time fee of $150 million, plus $20 million annually for five years under the terms of the agreement.
Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy confirmed the deal but said Intel has not yet decided how to account for the payments. He noted the settlement does not include an admission of wrongdoing by either company.
Les Crudele, Transmeta's CEO, praised the deal in a statement as creating value for shareholders and supporting the company's technology development and
licensing business going forward.
The licensing accord ends a year of litigation and is a big victory for
Transmeta, a company once touted as a possible Intel-killer that instead fell on hard times and hasn't turned an annual profit in 7 years as a publicly traded
company.
When Transmeta debuted in 2000, analysts and news media hailed its line of inexpensive and low-power microprocessors for laptops.
Facing fierce competition from Intel and other obstacles, the company faltered and in 2005 shifted from chip-making to licensing its intellectual
property.
It has since endured a series of management shake-ups and job cuts, and it stopped making and selling microprocessors this year.
The current lawsuit started when Transmeta sued Intel in October 2006 in
federal court in Delaware, alleging Intel infringed on 10 of its patents.
Transmeta claimed Intel had shipped $100 billion in Pentium chips that use
patented Transmeta technologies. Transmeta asked the court to stop Intel from selling infringing chips and force it to pay damages and royalties.
Intel fired back four months later with a countersuit denying it had
infringed any patents and accusing Transmeta of violating seven Intel patents.

TRANSMETA WON...intel LOST.

Since Transmeta first took on Intel in the marketplace in 2000, it has lost
a total of more than $600 million. During the same period, Intel has raked in nearly $42 billion in profits.
In another twist, Intel rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc. invested $7.5 million in Transmeta in July in exchange for preferred stock. Sunnyvale-based AMD said the investment will help AMD make more energy-efficient chips.

SO intel having to PAY TRANSMETA is the same as intel having to PAY AMD.

intel will never get the money back and they will have to keep paying forever.


This is just another $250 million dollar quick fix by intel.

Next up the EU will hit intel for $3.2 billion.

AMD has taken more market share from intel.

AMD STANDS ALONE ON THE LEADING EDGE OF SEMI CONDUCTOR CPU DESIGNS....designs so good intel plans to copy them all.

There is no reason to buy outdated antique,obsolete, intel cpus and platforms.

BUY state of the art, future proof, AMD hi performance, energy saving , low cost, superior design, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.

9:49 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Tonus said...

So Intel is paying $250 million to cover licensing that earned them more than $100 billion during a time that Transmeta was bleeding cash to the tune of $600 million.

Ouch.

I guess Transmeta can call that a victory, but... ouch.

10:14 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

You should be aware that an over-clocked Phenoshow@3Ghz (B2 stepping) loses to a stock 3Ghz C2D in preliminary Crysis benchmarks by 5-7%...and Crysis is a multi-core aware game...

Phenom will be slightly competitive, but not the Intel killer this douchebag keeps claiming...

10:23 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

not the demo though. ;)

11:05 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger S said...

So much for AMD's platforms :

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/29/hp-admits-wireless-laptop

11:37 AM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

You should be aware that an over-clocked Phenoshow@3Ghz (B2 stepping) loses to a stock 3Ghz C2D in preliminary Crysis benchmarks by 5-7%...and Crysis is a multi-core aware game...

Phenom will be slightly competitive, but not the Intel killer this douchebag keeps claiming...




You're right they should have compared 2.2GHz to 3GHz. That would have been fair.

12:25 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

Where in my fucking post did I say anything about not comparing clock for clock. As usual you read what you want to into something instead of taking it for what it was - a comment on clock for clock comparison.

First you bitch because people weren't comparing clock for clock, then when they do you bitch about that. This is why pretty much everyone on any forum thinks your a joke.

The fact is Phenom doesn't give what AMD has been saying it would clock for clock. That isn't supposition - it's a fact that is now being proven...even if the test in crysis isn't a 100% valid test, the fact remains that Phenom at any speed is not the Core 2 killer these fanboi's keep saying it is.

And certainly no where near being able to "BK Intel in four quaters" . (To be fair BM, I'm not attributing that retarded comment to you, on that point, like it or not, you and I are in agreement...)

12:45 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Uh... have you guys been to Toms, Anand, or any of the other major hardware sites? They just posted the Penryn reviews... and AMD is royally fucked even if 3Ghz Phenoms start spewing out of their fabs before December!

This is a quote from Tom's on power consumption of a the highest-end quad core Intel Chip:
An idle power consumption of merely 3.78 W is an extraordinary achievement for a high-end processor. Even AMD's entry-level Semprons can't match that - and they have only a single core.

Oh, and Christian H. Howell the 4th, VB script wannabe, the power consumption of the quad core Penryns at load comes to a whopping..... wait for it.... 73 watts. Tom's was even confused as to why Intel set the TDP so high since the 3Ghz Quad Cores could easily fit within an 89 or 95 watt profile.

My personal thought is that since TDP is basically there to create a wide envelope for HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS (TDP is not meant to tell you the power that any 1 CPU actually uses there fanboys) Intel intentionally overrated the power envelope so that motherboard manufacturers would be ready and here's why: Penryn easily overclocks to 4 Ghz using the normal Intel cooler, and even 4 cores under load at 4Ghz are only using around 135 watts. This is from an EARLY stepping! 6 months from now with a couple of more steppings, Intel will have stock 4Ghz quad cores that use less power than those retarded "black box" dual core X2's do right now.

Like I said: I don't give a shit if AMD pumps out a million quad-core Phenoms all at 3Ghz before Christmas (and not pezal, that is not going to happen you stupid fanboy). AMD is still in a shitload of trouble against Intel. If Penryn doesn't do it, Nehalem may be the end of AMD.

12:48 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I love the fucking AMD fanbois who cry "Clock for clock".

Sorry assholes, its not Intel's fault AMD can't ramp its clock speeds...

Must be rather painful for AMD to be stuck nearly 50% of the clock speed of Intel's...

12:57 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...


First you bitch because people weren't comparing clock for clock, then when they do you bitch about that. This is why pretty much everyone on any forum thinks your a joke.

The fact is Phenom doesn't give what AMD has been saying it would clock for clock. That isn't supposition - it's a fact that is now being proven...even if the test in crysis isn't a 100% valid test, the fact remains that Phenom at any speed is not the Core 2 killer these fanboi's keep saying it is.



You have me confused with someone else. I only use benchmarks to determine how much I have to spend for the experience I want. AMD has never said anything about Agena performance, only Barcelona so I'm not sure where you got your comment that AMD said ANYTHING about Agena.

Now Rahul Sood of VooDooPC did say that Phenom at 3GHz will be faster than everything else.

As far as the scores, I think 2% with slower than 1066RAM and 1600HT bus slowed it down somewhat. I would say that Penryn and Phenom are neck and neck. I hope it stays that way, then the crazed fans have nothing to call each other names about.

1:26 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Axel said...

Mr. Howell

Now Rahul Sood of VooDooPC did say that Phenom at 3GHz will be faster than everything else.

Sorry but Mr. Sood was full of crap on this one. Barcelona = Phenom. We know now from various benchmarks that on the desktop, Phenom X4 doesn't even come close to catching Kentsfield in IPC let alone Yorkfield. It's ludicrous how far behind AMD has fallen in a scant sixteen months. Phenom is truly pre-fragged. The company, in its current form, is finished.

1:55 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

AMD BUILDS ONLY FUTURE PROOF CPUS....versus....OBSOLETE PENTIUM 3 penyawn.

There are no INTEL CONFIDENTIAL chips listed anywhere on the internet for sale at any price.

Phony chips, Phony tests, phony benchmarks from the PHONY CONFIDENTIAL chip company.

intel fanboys buy it hook, line, and sinker.

DONT BE GULLIBLE....One AMD production cpu is worth all the PHONY CONFIDENTIAL cpus that the phony confidential chip company rigs up.

BUY AMD BARCELONAs, the only real success story in quad core consumer cpus.
Its not confidential its real AMD superior design quality.
Sooooo good intel plans to copy it.

BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.

3:54 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger machupi1 said...

Phony chips, Phony tests, phony benchmarks from the PHONY CONFIDENTIAL chip company.

intel fanboys buy it hook, line, and sinker.


Looking at company earnings, the rest of the world believes it too, and perception is all that matters.

AMD BUILDS ONLY PROFIT PROOF CPUS

4:16 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

Sorry but Mr. Sood was full of crap on this one. Barcelona = Phenom. We know now from various benchmarks that on the desktop, Phenom X4 doesn't even come close to catching Kentsfield in IPC let alone Yorkfield. It's ludicrous how far behind AMD has fallen in a scant sixteen months. Phenom is truly pre-fragged. The company, in its current form, is finished.


WTF are you talking about? The big story of the day is how at 3GHz Phenom and Penryn are NECK AND NECK. And that's with HT1.1.

4:18 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Sure they are neck to neck I will give you that.

With a couple of small issues:

1.) Phenom will more than likely ship at NO MORE than 2.4 GHz, more than likely 2.0 or 2.2.

2.) Penryn will ship at at least 3.4Ghz, and has been shown with stock cooling to easily hit 4.2Ghz.


Unlike Shairkook and Onefuckwit, you have at least some brain matter Howell.

4:30 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger 13ringinheat said...

Christian M howell said WTF are you talking about? The big story of the day is how at 3GHz Phenom and Penryn are NECK AND NECK. And that's with HT1.1.

You sir are truly a douche bag of epic proportions.

I can tell you that i can purchase a 3ghz penryn before the end of the year from most retailers. Please tell me where i can buy a 3ghz phenom especially since even a 2ghz barcelona is near impossible to find and has been released for a bit now???

Oh yes the age old AMD fanboi tactic compare an existing Intel cpu to an AMD cpu that you bring out of your ass.

AMD should just stick to making powerpoint presentations, websites and whining because that is where their strength lies.

AMD......being second best is the company motto.

4:35 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

How about the second news item today guys?


Nvidia releases the 8800GT, a $150 mid-range GPU, that beats the AMD 2900Xt top end $500 Gpu in every test.

AMD's 200 watt power sucking, dual slot GPU is bested by the competitions $150 part.

In other news, Henry Richard was heard laughing so hard he could hardly breath.

4:58 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Axel said...

Mr. Howell

WTF are you talking about? The big story of the day is how at 3GHz Phenom and Penryn are NECK AND NECK. And that's with HT1.1.

I hope you're not referring to the Crysis benchmarks. If you are, I'd like some of what you're smoking. You can clearly see in the command prompt box that in this GPU bottlenecked game, Yorkfield's minimum FPS (~29) is an astounding 249% higher than Phenom X4's (8.3). Average FPS is only some 5-10% higher for the Intel CPUs than Phenom X4, meaning that the game is generally GPU bottlenecked. Sorry but this means that in Crysis, Phenom X4 gets utterly pwned by each of Conroe, Kentsfield, and Yorkfield in raw CPU horsepower.

If you are referring to some other benchmark, please link it. If not, time for you to admit that Sood was full of crap.

4:59 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Axel said...

evil_merlin

Sure they are neck to neck I will give you that.

No. All benchmarks to date (and that includes the Barcelona benchmarks) suggest that Kentsfield leads Phenom X4 by approximately 10-15% in desktop IPC. Yorkfield extends this to a 15-25% lead in IPC.

5:02 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

WOW....

Passivly cooled (fanless for uneducated AMD nuts here) silent Nvidia GPU beats AMD's top of the line leaf blower in every tested application.

http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/SP8800GTpassive/news_SP8800GT_passive_EN.html

5:06 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Passivly cooled (fanless for uneducated AMD nuts here) silent Nvidia GPU beats AMD's top of the line leaf blower in every tested application.


I saw the reviews on the 8800 GT. The reviews are fantastic - the performance on this thing is crazy. It beats out the GTS, and there's zero reason to buy a GTX or Ultra anymore for the tiny increase in performance that it would bring.

Heck, you could get two of these and run 'em in SLI for cheaper than Nvidia wants for one Ultra now.

The totally silent version? That's the icing on the cake! I imagine you need pretty good case airflow to keep this thing cool though.

8:30 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

NEW INTEL QUAD CORE 45NM CPU USES LESS THAN 65W:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=844

The new QX9650 quad-core based on the latest 45nm HKMG (High K Metal Gate) manufacturing process consumes less power on average than an Intel E6750 2.66GHz dual-core.

INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.

BUY INTEL hi performance, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.

10:45 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger 13ringinheat said...

The high k gate is truly revolutionary at full load a quad core Qx9650 @ 3.0ghz consumes less power than the AMD dual core 5400+ 2.8ghz by 13 W.

A Qx9650 @ 4.0ghz consumes 12 W more power than the AMD dual core 6400+ 3.2ghz.

Though the penryn is ~7% faster clock for clock than the previous gen quad core on average across a wide variety of apps the Qx9650 at 3.0ghz is 45% faster than the AMD 6400+ and if overclocked to 4.0ghz it is 64% faster.

AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for

10:51 PM, October 29, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

cry amd fanboys, cry

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=68503


lol 40 secs spi, and slower in 3dmark by a whole 1000 points...

5:30 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Axel said...

Mr. Howell and others who still believe that the Crysis results indicate that Phenom X4 is anywhere close to Core 2 in performance, here's some more analysis:

The Crysis scores revealed in the command prompts for four timedemos were:

- minimum fps
- average fps
- peak fps

Now, if you look at the scores, Yorkfield 3.0 beats Phenom X4 3.0 by:

- 250% in minimum fps
- 7.5% in average fps
- 4.6% in peak fps

A couple conclusions can be drawn from these numbers:

1. The fact that the Yorkfield and Kentsfield scores are about identical for all three categories indicates that the game is not memory bottlenecked at all. If it were, Yorkfield's 50% larger L2 would help significantly.

2. The fact that all four CPUs score within 5% of each other for peak fps indicates that the peak framerate is largely bottlenecked by the GPU, not the CPU.

3. Since the difference in average framerate (7.5%) is much closer to the difference in peak (4.6%) than to the difference in minimum (250%), this indicates that the demo is GPU bottlenecked for most of its duration.

3. The huge 250%difference in minimum fps indicates that the game does occassionally see a CPU bottleneck on Phenom, but not too often.

We can logically conclude that the Crysis timedemo as run in that test was GPU bottlenecked over the great majority of the duration, but for those few moments where the CPU is the bottleneck, Phenom X4 is completely destroyed by the Intel processors. It is because those moments are few and far between in the demo that the average fps scores are fairly close between the four CPUs.

I believe that K8 3.0 GHz would score nearly the same as Phenom in this demo. It would certainly score about the same peak fps, as that score is clearly GPU bottlenecked. The minimum fps would be perhaps about 15% lower than Phenom, but as I described, those CPU bottlenecked moments are rare. The average fps would hence likely only be some 3-5% lower for K8 than Phenom, say around 44.5 fps.

6:26 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Tonus said...

It'd be nice to see them tested on something else, then. All that the Crysis test seems to be telling us is that your dollars are better spent on a good video card.

That said, if Penryn can ramp quickly on clockspeed it will be a long year for AMD unless they can get Phenom ramped quickly as well. If Phenom cannot debut higher than 2.0GHz... argh.

6:53 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

I'm sure Phenom will be faster than 2.0GHz. Also I'm sure that Intel has no problems releasing quadcores with massively higher clock speed. Their current 3GHz 45nm ones are taking less than half the power their TDP shows. If one would make it use as much as their old 90nm P4D's did under full load we would probably be having 4.2-4.5GHz quads. It will be difficult for AMD to match those thermals on desktop.

7:22 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

A Qx9650 @ 4.0ghz consumes 12 W more power than the AMD dual core 6400+ 3.2ghz.

So if a 6400+ is rated for 125W and in reality consumes a little less than that, then Intel could release a 4Ghz Yorkfield CPU that fits within a 130W TDP anytime they wanted to.

I do hate to sound like a broken record (like these AMD fanboys), but future steppings on the 45nm platform should further reduce voltage needs and power consumption e.g. from B3 stepping -> G0 stepping.

7:37 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

PHENOM IS SIMPLY FRAGGED TO PIECES BY EXISTING INTEL CPUS.

SUPERPI 1M scores: http://www.expreview.com/img/news/071030/k10_3g_superpi.png

Here is Q6600, overclocked to 3Ghz with 1333 FSB (so same settings as a QX6850 by default): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/johnli0615/SuperPiOC30.jpg

I too have a Q6600 @ 3Ghz. I get 17.4s as my time.

This isn't even counting Yorkfield, which will report even better scores!

INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.

BUY INTEL SUPER hi performance, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.


AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.

7:57 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

RV670 PRE-FRAGGED BY 8800 GT:

http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2007-10-30/1193719352d6668.html

In other news, AMD renamed the SPIDER platform to SNAIL platform. This reflects the snail pace that the PHENOM CPU and RV670 graphics cards run at!

AMD BK by Q2'08.

8:08 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

You sir are truly a douche bag of epic proportions.

I can tell you that i can purchase a 3ghz penryn before the end of the year from most retailers. Please tell me where i can buy a 3ghz phenom especially since even a 2ghz barcelona is near impossible to find and has been released for a bit now???

Oh yes the age old AMD fanboi tactic compare an existing Intel cpu to an AMD cpu that you bring out of your ass.

AMD should just stick to making powerpoint presentations, websites and whining because that is where their strength lies.



Here we go with the name calling again. That's why I want to slap you.

The STATEMENT should be clear. CLOCK FOR CLOCK PENRYN AND PHENOM ARE NECK AND NECK. PERIOD!

And yes, it is set to release at 2.2 and 2.4GHz. This will provide me with probably a 70% faster system at near the same power.

9:26 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

Mr. Howell and others who still believe that the Crysis results indicate that Phenom X4 is anywhere close to Core 2 in performance, here's some more analysis:

The Crysis scores revealed in the command prompts for four timedemos were:

- minimum fps
- average fps
- peak fps

Now, if you look at the scores, Yorkfield 3.0 beats Phenom X4 3.0 by:

- 250% in minimum fps
- 7.5% in average fps
- 4.6% in peak fps

A couple conclusions can be drawn from these numbers:




Since everyone is bringing up this min fps you should really read the whole screen as this "measurement" is not over time but I quote

MIN FPS 8.x fps at FRAME 354. That means 1 frame is a bear.

My whole point was that CrySis is not a good CPU test. An dneither is Super PI as I couldn't care less about it. They say AMD is prepping Spider systems for release to reviewers as we speak so by the second week of November all questions will be answered.

I already know the results but hey I don't count as I think Intel sucks as a global leader.

9:33 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

The STATEMENT should be clear. CLOCK FOR CLOCK PENRYN AND PHENOM ARE NECK AND NECK. PERIOD!

Wrong. At the same frequency in SuperPi 1M Kentsfield is 61% faster than Phenom.

9:42 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I already know the results but hey I don't count as I think Intel sucks as a global leader.

Would you rather have AMD? Which:
1.) Doesn't make money.
2.) Is currently having production issues
3.) Is currently having ramping issues
4.) Is currently having issues supplying produts to smaller OEM's
5.) Is having issues with its latest generation products keeping up with Intels previous generation products

9:47 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

He seems to think that AMD is morally superior and wouldn't think of abusing it's position if it were on top in the CPU industry.

A very naive way of thinking, because if AMD were on top they'd be doing exactly what Intel is doing.

And before you bring out the "they WERE on top from 2003-2006" bit...the only place they were on top was performance - not sales, not profits, just performance. They were still very much the #2 CPU vendor then.

Anyone who thinks they'd be above abusing the spot or behave any differently than Intel if they were #1 is just plain stupid.

10:28 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Axel said...

Howell

MIN FPS 8.x fps at FRAME 354. That means 1 frame is a bear.

Do you even know what you're talking about? Frame 354 was simply the worst of several CPU bottlenecked frames in the demo. The others aren't shown. The results indicate that with Phenom X4 you WILL notice a hiccup every now and then while you're playing as the CPU chokes, while with Conroe, Kentsfield, and Yorkfield you'll sail right through the tough spots while barely noticing the slowdown because the framerate is still high enough to be smooth.

11:40 AM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

I remember a fuckwit who claimed, loudly, proudly, and assertively, that Penryn will consume 200W @ 4.0Ghz.

I wonder who that is...right Christian?

1:25 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

The STATEMENT should be clear. CLOCK FOR CLOCK PENRYN AND PHENOM ARE NECK AND NECK. PERIOD!

Wrong. At the same frequency in SuperPi 1M Kentsfield is 61% faster than Phenom.



Unfortunately I don't run Super Pi at all so it doesn't matter. I'm talking about the GAME THEY USED FOR THE TEST.

It's amazing that none of you were up in arms when HeatBurst was being made to look like a chipmunk running on a treadmill.

With the difference AMD should be at 35% share. Why aren't they? Because Intel MAKES SURE OEMs take what they give them or they threaten them with shortages.

Sounds like Tony Soprano to me.

1:26 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

I remember a fuckwit who claimed, loudly, proudly, and assertively, that Penryn will consume 200W @ 4.0Ghz.

I wonder who that is...right Christian?


That was based on the 130W reported for it at 3.2GHz. Simple. Of course you just want to live vicariously through a convicted monopolist.

Too bad.

Even members of the FTC want Intel investigated. I guess those guys are fanbois too, huhn?

1:28 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

"With the difference AMD should be at 35% share. Why aren't they?"

Simple, they cannot make enough CPUs. There is no other reason than that. If you cannot understand it then I feel sorry about you.


Btw, as I've said Intel has massively overexagerated their TDP ratings. That 130W TDP 3GHz quad takes around 60W max under full load (<50W in Intel scale)

1:39 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

He seems to think that AMD is morally superior and wouldn't think of abusing it's position if it were on top in the CPU industry.

A very naive way of thinking, because if AMD were on top they'd be doing exactly what Intel is doing.

And before you bring out the "they WERE on top from 2003-2006" bit...the only place they were on top was performance - not sales, not profits, just performance. They were still very much the #2 CPU vendor then.

Anyone who thinks they'd be above abusing the spot or behave any differently than Intel if they were #1 is just plain stupid.


So now you're a mind reader? That's the same BS that Intel spouts. If AMD were to act like Intel - BTW you just said you KNOW they do it - then I wouldn't buy their chips.

1:51 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

*sigh*

When all else fails defending AMD, pull out the "monopoly" crap.


What a fucking douche.

2:05 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

Not a mind reader, shall I link to the half dozen or more posts at THG where you make your moral superiority claim? Or are you so dense you can't remember what you yourself have posted???

Like I said - anyone who doesn't think AMD would (and doesn't) stoop to questionable business practices is stupid. Every corporation does it - they're out for one thing, one thing only - to make money off us as consumers, and they *will* do anything in their power to do it.

Intel does it, Microsoft does it, AMD does it, shall I sit here and type out every single major corporation in the world??? If you think otherwise, you have a very naive and weak understanding of a true corporate environment.

So based on your take you should be using Via CPU's and running Linux. They're "good enough" right?

2:09 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

So based on your take you should be using Via CPU's and running Linux. They're "good enough" right?


Tell Merlin you just used the VIA defense. I care not. I'm more than happy with my lowly 4400+ @ 2.3GHz. I will more than likely upgrade to Agena FX8x and I kno wit will be so much better than what I have, it'll seem like I got a good upgrade. Maybe.

I just hate the name-calling and so I say the first thing I think of.

4:42 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...



Even members of the FTC want Intel investigated.


The majority did not. They felt an investigation was not warranted.

I've always said that AMD's lawsuit was baseless. AMD's problems are just because of Hector Ruiz's idiotic management. AMD can't even get anything out on time. AMD is struggling to get enough 2Ghz quad cores to it's customers while Intel flogs all the quad cores at 3Ghz for desktop and servers. If that wasn't enough they have the brand new 45nm process that can do 4Ghz within 130W TDP whenever they need it.


INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.

BUY INTEL SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.


AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.

9:02 PM, October 30, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

AMD GAINING MORE MARKET SHARE EVERY HOUR....

According to the FTC and giant AMDs charges against intel are baseless, WE HAVE $250 MILLION TRANSMETA REASONS not to believe giant and the FTC, giant and the FTC have a solid track record of being wrong.

Every hour of every day AMD gains more market share.

Buy AMD cpus, there so good that intel plans to copy them all.

No one needs those obsolete relic antique, pentium 3 c2d and quad glue ups from intel.
There so outdated and bad intel plans to abandon them shortly for the more modern AMD designs.


BUY THE ORIGINAL AND STILL BEST AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, best designed cpus, platforms, and video solutions.

12:25 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

F.T.C. Goes AWOL


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Published: October 29, 2007

Suppose your local supermarket had a loyalty card that gave you great discounts, but only if you promised not to shop anywhere else. According to regulators from the European Union, Japan and South Korea, that looks just like what Intel is doing.

They say Intel is improperly protecting its stranglehold of the microprocessor market by offering big discounts and rebates to computer makers who minimize the use of processors made by rival Advanced Micro Devices, and punishing those who stray with higher prices.

Yet despite these warnings, there is one regulator that seems largely unconcerned. The United States Federal Trade Commission is still holding back from opening a formal inquiry into the company’s practices.

The abuse of market power to protect a monopoly hurts consumers and hinders innovation — locking out smaller rivals that may have better products with new features or lower prices. With an 80 percent to 90 percent share of the microprocessor market, Intel wields much more power than your local supermarket. Its threat to raise prices the moment a customer tries to buy from rival A.M.D. can lock in even the largest computer makers — which depend on Intel for most of their products and can’t simply swap all their processors overnight. And with such a level of control, Intel doesn’t have to exert itself to come up with new and better products.

Two years ago, Japanese regulators said Intel was violating antitrust laws and ordered the company to drop these schemes. The European Commission has accused the company of illegally trying to drive A.M.D. out of the market. South Korean regulators have now objected to Intel’s efforts to maintain market dominance.

Members of the F.T.C. argue that the agency can do better with an informal, cooperative review of the charges against Intel. A formal investigation gives the commission power to issue subpoenas and compel testimony from executives. Right now, Intel only has to hand over the information it wants to. The F.T.C.’s Republican majority clearly shares the “starve the regulators and coddle industry” philosophy that has driven the Bush administration for seven years. It is bad for America’s consumers and it is bad for American business.


THE INFORMED CONSUMERS SHOULD BOYCOTT intel and only buy AMD.
DON'T BECOME ANOTHER intel VICTIM LIKE TRANSMETA DID.

intel has forgotten the Golden Rule.

AMD STANDS ALONE WITH HONEST GOOD PRICES AND PERFORMANCE...BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, good business, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.

12:44 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a little worried about Sharikou... there's been a LOT of news lately (Intel's 45nm fab going online, Nvidia 8800 GT, etc) and he hasn't posted anything. Anyone know of a way we can check up on him? He might have finally killed himself :(

4:43 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Sharikook == oneexpert.


Don't worry he is still posting. When Sharikook feels like REALLY looking like a total loonie and otherwise totally fucking brain damaged type, he just logs in as oneexpert, opens his mouth and has more crap spew forth.


Oneexpert is like that brain damaged kid down the street that everyone feels sorry for as he is seen playing with himself in the front yard while talking with a tree or fence.

6:26 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

I Suppose it's Intel's fault that AMD lost another 4.3% of graphics market share to Nvidia last quarter.

7:51 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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10:02 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

$23,391,000...900,000 shares

Intel Chairman Barrett exercises options

Monday October 29, 2007 14:59:35 EDT

NEW YORK, Oct 30, 2007 (AP via COMTEX News Network) --

The chairman of semiconductor company Intel Corp. exercised options for 900,000 shares of common stock, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings Monday.

In Form 4s filed with the SEC, Craig R. Barrett reported he exercised options for the shares Thursday and Friday for $18.90 apiece, and then sold all of them for $25.67 to $25.99 apiece.

Insiders file Form 4s with the SEC to report transactions in their companies' shares. Open market purchases and sales must be reported within two business days of the transaction.

Intel is based in Santa Clara, Calif.

AND the fan boys have the nerve to criticize HECTOR while intels barrett dumps THRILLIONS in scandalous stock dealings.

DONT BECOME ANOTHER VICTIM OF intels LIKE TRANSMETA, SAVE YOURSELF AND BUY AMD cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
The average consumer has nothing in common with intel...these people throw around $23,000,000 dollars like it was toilet paper.

You now have another $23,000,000 scandalous stock dealing reasons not to deal with intel on top of the $250,000,000 million victims payout to TRANSMETA.


NO ONE needs or wants glued up pentium 3 c2ds and quads including intel, they plan to abandon there antique line up and copy AMD advanced technology shortly.
Dont get stuck with intels outdated relics....

BUY AMD cpus, platforms, and video solutions, good products from good people with good employees and good vendors & retailers from a GOOD COMPANY, thats AMD.

10:05 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

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10:15 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

actually if you check my past posts, I do not really reply to dumb post/comment, but i just can't resist to reply to this one:

oneexpert said...
$23,391,000...900,000 shares

Intel Chairman Barrett exercises options

...

The chairman of semiconductor company Intel Corp. exercised options for 900,000 shares of common stock, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings Monday.

In Form 4s filed with the SEC, Craig R. Barrett reported he exercised options for the shares Thursday and Friday for $18.90 apiece, and then sold all of them for $25.67 to $25.99 apiece.
...

.

...
The average consumer has nothing in common with intel...these people throw around $23,000,000 dollars like it was toilet paper.

You now have another $23,000,000 scandalous stock dealing reasons not to deal with intel ...


Just one question, do you really understand what option mean? You seriously think that the gain is 900000 x 25.nn ~ 23000000? :)

10:20 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

hreWho cares if an Intel executive sold stock? That's a regular occurance. Did Richards sell lots of AMD stock before he quit AMD?

NO ONE needs or wants glued up pentium 3 c2ds and quads including intel, they plan to abandon there antique line up and copy AMD advanced technology shortly.
Dont get stuck with intels outdated relics....


Apparently MANY people want Intel Quad Core CPUs oneexpert! Intel sold TWO MILLION of them last quarter! How many did AMD sell, oneexpert?


SUPERPI 1M scores: http://www.expreview.com/img/news/071030/k10_3g_superpi.png

Here is Q6600, overclocked to 3Ghz with 1333 FSB (so same settings as a QX6850 by default): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/johnli0615/SuperPiOC30.jpg

INTEL FRAGS AMD'S UNRELEASED CPUS BY A WHOPPING 61%! Why would Intel want to copy CPUs that are 61% slower than Intel's CPUs oneexpert? That would be going backwards, like what AMD does!


DO NOT BUY CPUS FROM A COMPANY LIKE AMD THAT CLOSED 100% of IT's AMERICAN CPU PRODUCTION AND MOVED IT ALL OVERSEAS!

DO NOT SUPPORT COMPANIES LIKE AMD THAT ARE CLEARLY GUILTY OF DEFAMATION AND FILING FALSE LAWSUITS WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS 61% FASTER THAN EVEN THEIR UNRELEASED NEXT GENERATION PHENOM CPU.

INTEL STANDS ALONE IN DELIVERING HIGH PERFORMANCE, ENERGY SAVING QUAD CORE CPUs.

BUY INTEL SUPER hi performance 61% faster than PHENOM CPU, TRUE energy saving, low cost, only future proof with 45NM, MADE IN USA NOT GERMANY, cpus, platforms and video solutions.


AMD when being second place is not just a coincidence it is what they strive for.

10:20 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

First, selling stock is not illegal you fucking MORON.

If no one needs or wants C2D why are they outselling AMD by a factor or something like 12-13 to 1? And if you wanna talk about quad cores? Intel has sold nearly 2000x (yes 2000 times) what AMD has in the quad market.

Why are they outperforming AMD's latest and greatest?


ONEEXPERT, your source for stupidity, inbreeding, cock smoking, Sharikou loving, and total removal from reality.

11:17 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

OneExpert just needs to quit posting - no one takes him seriously - because the only thing he's an expert in is being a retard. And Sharikook pretty much admitted he and OneRetard were the same person when he posted his "copycat" entry...

I actually am starting this *is* a social experiment and a study on "Fanboyism" conducted by some college professor or a grad student...some of what Sharifreak/OneInbredFucktard post is just far too out there...

On the other hand, if Sharipoop is for real, I have to say, he should be in the Guinness Book of Records for the dumbest fucking inbred moron on planet...

11:22 AM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD to get fucked harder in a month.

New Nvidia high end GPU to be released in December.

http://www.dailytech.com/But+Wait+Theres+More+NVIDIA+G92+for+2007/article9474.htm

1:10 PM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Onlyretard:

He can have all the stock options he wants, he has made me thousands of dollars this year.

On the other hand, Hector was paid $10,000,000 of stock options last year to wipe out billions and billions of dollars of investors money.

Who's the criminal here?

1:12 PM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Mahboobul said...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/intel_penryn_4ghz_with_air_cooling/

AMD dual core is 50% slower than intel's quadcore. AMD is finished.

3:52 PM, October 31, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

Spaztic Pizza... I've been saying that for a while now. That's just the only logical reason for all of this.

5:24 AM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I wonder what new crap is going to pour outta Sharidouche's mouth next?


This thread is getting a little long and he hasn't made an ass of himself in nearly a week!

6:39 AM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

@Rodney - yeah, I meant to put the word "believe" in there at the beginning of my post, just got typing to fast - I believe one of your posts was where I first saw the idea presented....makes a fair amount of sense....

8:56 AM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger CupCake said...

Here’s why AMD has a current lead over Intel

1)AMD X2 processors consume less power
2)Run cooler than Core2Duo
3) Better bang for buck because AMD’s are cheap
4) 6400+X2 is a better choice than the expensive Intel Core Extreme processors for enthusiasts
5) Professionals use AMD
6) Core2Duo’s freeze too much

AMD always produce high quality brand new advanced CPU’s while Intel sell the same old relics. Phenom is even better than X2, so Intel must be really worried . AMD are the masters and leading processor technology while Intel is playing the usual catch up game.

Don’t argue because AMD is the undisputed best!……AMD 4ever!

10:09 AM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger Tonus said...

Doesn't this:

2)Run cooler than Core2Duo

Contradict this:

6) Core2Duo’s freeze too much

???

11:33 AM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Somehow I think cupcake's post was sarcasm, as it seems to be a collection of Sharidouche's more lacking of intelligent posts to the front page. All of which were very much shown to be full of bunk within minutes of the fucktard opening his mouth...

12:31 PM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger Tonus said...

Yeah, I was just being an ass. It's not the first time that I see people talk about Intel CPUs running hotter and then adding that they "freeze", and the temptation to make a play on words got the best of me. =p

And if there's any place to make such a silly argument, it's here!

1:16 PM, November 01, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

Christian M. Howell said...
...Penryn will consume 200W @ 4.0Ghz.
...

That was based on the 130W reported for it at 3.2GHz.


I am really wondering that you would say AMD's phenom 3GHz would be 200W then, since its soon to be release 2.6Hz is rated as 125W TDP (and actually according to INQ, it is 2.4GHz rated at 125W TDP) ... ?? :)

7:33 AM, November 02, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

I am really wondering that you would say AMD's phenom 3GHz would be 200W then, since its soon to be release 2.6Hz is rated as 125W TDP (and actually according to INQ, it is 2.4GHz rated at 125W TDP) ... ?? :)


So I guess they won't be releasing it until they get the power down.

8:10 AM, November 02, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

Christian M. Howell said...
I am really wondering that you would say AMD's phenom 3GHz would be 200W then, since its soon to be release 2.6Hz is rated as 125W TDP (and actually according to INQ, it is 2.4GHz rated at 125W TDP) ... ?? :)


So I guess they won't be releasing it until they get the power down.


I am quite speechless actually lloking at your reply. Do you really know what TDP mean? It is not the power that consumed by the chip itself, but it is a guideline for the motherboard to support a series of chips that are rated as a particular TDP (or lower). The likelihood of hitting this power would be the top bin of the series.

while the above would apply to both AMD and Intel generally, but if what INQ said is true where the 2.4GHz chip initially targeted for 89W TDP and now has to be moved to the 125W TDP range, that would mean on some scenario the 2.4Ghz would actually > 89W. Still, I do not think it will ever consume 125W.

10:51 PM, November 02, 2007  

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