Wednesday, November 14, 2007

AMD HD3870 frags Nvidia 8800GT

See benchmark. I expect AMD will score better on HT 3.0 system. Intel's crappy FSB system cannot show AMD technology in its full potential.

15 Comments:

Blogger Chuckula said...

Sharikou: you've never actually read a single review about an AMD or ATI product ever have you?

That's because if you had even bothered to read the exact same fucking review you just linked to you'll see that ATI's problems are far from over, and this card far from "frags" the 8800GT. Check it out here


Looking over our questions from the intro the card does perform quite well and is a nice step up from the HD 2900 XT at a very good price. It’s really in direct competition with the 8800GT although it never really manages to perform as well as it, bar a few cases. It’s a good card and if you want a multi card setup on your P35/X38 motherboard, it’s going to be a better option than a single 8800 Ultra. Should NVIDIA be worried? Not really. By the time AMD get a really kick ass driver out for the 3870 the new models from NVIDIA could be around the corner and the whole fight starts over again.


Is the 3870 terrible? Not really, but it's not "fragging" anything either. Also, AMD has apparently done jack shit to improve perennial driver issues that ATI has had since the dawn of time. What exactly has Hector done for ATI again other than drive all of its talent to Intel????

5:35 PM, November 14, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I guess these numbers are the clear reason DAAMIT is only letting people run 3Dmark06 and Call of Juarez at their little event!!

Also look at the AA/AF results section. It appears that the 3870 takes a larger hit than the 8800 GT when using AA.

Typical of Sharikou to pick one benchmark out of many to try and prove his silly point.

5:45 PM, November 14, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

INVENTION OF THE YEAR: INTEL'S REVOLUNTIONARY 45NM HAFNIUM INFUSED PROCESS OF COURSE!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1677329_1678130_1678116,00.html

Intel engineers are slaves to Moore's Law: they have to keep packing more power into the same-size microchips. They've done it again with a new alloy that cuts down on electricity leakage, which is a big problem as transistors get smaller. The new 45-nanometer Core processor is so compact, you could fit 2 million of its transistors on the period at the end of this sentence.


WE SHOULD ALL HELP INTEL SAVE OUR PLANET BY BUYING THESE EARTH-FRIENDLY LEAD-FREE CPUS. THESE GREEN ENVIRONMENTALLY FREIDNLY CPUS ARE FABBED RIGHT HERE IN THE USA IN THE MOST GREEN, EFFICIENT FAB ever, FAB32 in Arizona. Don't buy AMD CPUs that are full of lead and other dangerous materials that are bad for the environment.

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5:51 PM, November 14, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

If HT is so wonderful and non saturated, then why did AMD need to beef it up?

Why does Intel's "crappy FSB" beat the living tar out of AMD?

6:17 PM, November 14, 2007  
Blogger Joe said...

We will have to see actual results, but architecturally your PCIe graphics will pay a penalty on HT system vs. FSB system. On the FSB system the GPU is 2 hops from the system memory. (GPU -> MCH -> DIMMs) On the HT system you have at least 3 hops. (GPU -> HT Tunnel -> MCH -> DIMMs) On a multi-socket system you have to traverse 2 MCHs to get to some system memory.

As I am sure any sane reader of this blog has observed, an architecture advantage in one place does not necessarilly make an overall better performing system.

I, for one, am hoping AMD can get the bugs fixed quickly and ramp the clocks on both desktop and server parts. The higher bins AMD can compete in, the better it is for us consumers.

6:22 PM, November 14, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Oh my Gosh, Intel is going to BK!!

SANTA CLARA, Calif., Nov. 15, 2007 – Intel Corporation today announced that its board of directors has approved a 13 percent increase in the quarterly cash dividend to 12.75 cents per share beginning with the dividend that will be declared in the first quarter of 2008.

"Intel's product and technology leadership, the company's focus on growth and the success of more streamlined operations have put Intel in an extremely strong position, now and for the future," said Intel President and CEO Paul Otellini. "Even with one of the highest dividend yields in the technology industry, Intel's cash generating capability allows us to again increase the dividend as a signal in our faith in the future and to reward shareholders."

Intel began paying a cash dividend in 1992 and has paid out approximately $8.9 billion to its stockholders over the past 60 quarters (through the third quarter of 2007). The Intel dividend rate was last increased in November 2006, effective with the first-quarter 2007 dividend.

7:13 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I, for one, am hoping AMD can get the bugs fixed quickly and ramp the clocks on both desktop and server parts. The higher bins AMD can compete in, the better it is for us consumers.

Completely and 100% agree, but as of late AMD is far from firing on all its cylinders and its having real issues executing almost anything properly. I really do hope they get their act togeher, because quite frankly AMD's pressure on Intel is the only thing that turned Intel around. Competition is good and right now AMD isn't even a speedbump for Intel.

7:35 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

I'd like to take a moment to comment about the Ruiz vs. AMD case!

I strongly condemn all forms of ill-practiced corporate behavior... especially when such organizations are knowingly doing it and management turn a blind eye to the facts!

It's not for me to place judgment on AMD at this point in time since we don't know if AMD is guilty of such acts and if they are the courts will decide on whether they were knowingly doing it. Shame on them if they are!!!!!

But after reading the article there is a bit of information which struck me as very odd.

a) First, the woman decides to sue after 16 years? What the hell is that all about? Isn't there a time-limit that you can sue? She must be in desperate need of money!

b) She worked there from 1988 to 2002. Her son is now 16, which means she had him roughly around 1991. Given that the son was born with missing 'parts', obviously something noticeable, would you keep working there for another 11 years? No, you condemn the company, sue them and QUIT! Obviously we don't know all the facts, like maybe she got an office position thereafter. But I don't know of anyone who wouldn't just quit after something like this!

c) "On at least two occasions, Ruiz said she had needed medical treatment after inhaling chemical fumes at the US plant." Wouldn't you just quit your job after the first time? My god what kind of person will knowingly kill themselves just to make a buck? After the first time inhaling chemicals I think anyone would have quit, no?

I just don't see how this woman will be able to prove that she was 'unknowingly' being intoxicated?

Obviously I'm passing judgment on some work conditions which I'm not even remotely familiar with, but to me it just doesn't make sense unless you've got some 'Darwin' thought process!

A bit like the 800 pound woman who sues McDonald's for her weight problems and the smokers who sue the tobacco companies because they didn't realize that 55 years of smoking was bad? What a joke! Luckily only in America this 'legal parody' is tolerated!

7:47 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

$200 DOLLAR ROUND UP....

You can buy a $200 OLPC portable from the OLPC or you can order a $200 desktop from Walmart or Newegg.

Choice AMD portable or VIA desktop and you get the whole computer with operating system thrown in for just $200.

NO intel here.
intel has totally abandoned the low end market due to there extreme over head costs they simply can not compete any longer.

NO nvidia here.

Yet the industry would have you believe that intel and nvidia are haveing a banner sales year but I question that data.

I have never seen a $200 computer built with anything but AMD or VIA parts.

The OLPC is selling and giving out $200 dollar AMD fusion geode portables.

CPU: x86-compatible processor with 64KB each L1 I and D cache; at least 128KB L2 cache; AMD Geode LX-700@0.8W.

Everex is making and selling $200 dollar computers made from VIA parts C7-D cpus.

I know that intel and nvidia have 0% of the $200 computer market.

I also know that the $200 dollar computer market world wide is bigger than intel and nvidia combined.

Walmart just sold 10,000 $200 computers in less than two weeks.

It strikes me that AMD, VIA, along with IBM cover a huge product range in computers from the very inexpensive to the very expensive while intel and nvidia only have a limited product offering in only the mid to upper range.

Transmeta also had a limited product range like intel and nvidia.

It appears that limited product companies dont last long historically speaking like transmeta, or intel, or nvidia.

It will be interesting to see if nvidia and intel are around a year or two from now.

Benchmarks and super charged performance are nice but most of the world wide consumers will buy the $200 computer and not the high end benchmarks.

Fabbing a cpu really fast is nice but if your only adding it to a growing unsold inventory what does it matter.

Selling 10,000 complete computers in less than 2 weeks is far more interesting and profitable.

I'am sure that this 10,000 unit move in less than 2 weeks has not gone unnoticed by the business world.

I 'am sure that the number of OLPC portables built and delivered will also be of interest to the business world.

What ever happened to ULI?


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8:54 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

AMD PROCESSORS CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS.

Buy low-performance, triple cripple core, birth defect causing, high energy usage, paper launched AMD processors.

9:55 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

$200 DOLLAR ROUND UP....

Would you believe that there's next to no profit to be made in this segment. Intel focuses on profitable areas of CPU manufacturing. Imagine that!

10:23 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

oneexpert
"intel has totally abandoned the low end market due to there extreme over head costs they simply can not compete any longer."

That would explain their huge profits and AMD lack of profits.


"What ever happened to ULI?"

They were bought by NVidia.

10:38 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I know that intel and nvidia have 0% of the $200 computer market.

prove it.

11:15 AM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Spaztic Pizza said...

Actually - it really only "frags" the 8600GTS which anyone with ANY techincal ability already knew wasn't worth a damn anyway...so in terms of AMD's ability to own, the only thing they own is the midrange - which is why the cards are priced like they are...you couldn't give me a 3870....

1:57 PM, November 15, 2007  
Blogger Anthony said...

Good Lord!

Just reading this shows Sharikou's inobjectivity. "Call of Juarez" is just one place where AMD/ATI shines: not much EVERYWHERE else.

Then again, the doctor's just saying that to raise a discussion, if not, then I really have no clue as to why the statement.

Objectively the 3870 is not bad, it's still slower but clearly puts them back in the GPU game. However, the newly released 8800 GTS ups the ante again.

Sharikou: I suggest you read reviews and news in its entirety and stop filtering it.

7:20 PM, December 12, 2007  

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