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Hector Ruiz said it right. The INQ says Intel made money and AMD lost money. Of course, a copycat like Intel makes money, because it just steals the R&D from AMD, saving vast amounts of investments. AMD, on the other hand, did all the hard research work.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 12/02/2007 04:59:00 PM
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The Phony forget one minor detail that AMD owes its whole existence to INTEL. It is AMD that has copied, without INTEL AMD would be nothing but a stupid memory company.
To think about it the world would be a lot better if AMD never got its greedy hands on that x86 code and licesne decades ago.
AMD BK in 2008 for sure, got no speed, got no factories, got no 45nm got nothing but a crappy slow K9
lex, I believe it was IBM not Intel. IBM didn’t want just one company with the code. Intel had nothing to do with it.
Lets see where AMD came from...
Oh yeah! Copies of Intel's products...
If Intel's new chips are mere copies of AMD's products, explain to me why Intel's products are working so well while AMD's are starting to flounder???
Where did the K10 come from? OH YEAH! Alpha.
People who live in glass houses Shiakook, shouldn't throw stones.
Fanboi revisionalism at its best. I swear someone should update fanboi in wikipedia and provide a link to this site.
dear lex retard,
without amd, the cpu will not innovate till like we see today.
bcoz, intel would stil selling their 8086 proc at 1000 dollars.and those intelers ass kisser would buy it to encode porn for week long.
we should be grateful of amd existence bcoz of healthy competition benefit consumer like us.
I couldn't agree more. AMD has always been at the front of the pack, leading the entire industry. It's only a matter of time before Intel's crimes are brought to justice.
Intel is on the brink of destruction while AMD is positioned for an epic slaughter. Right now, Intel's stock is high and AMD's stock is low. This means it is the perfect time to sell all Intel stock and invest everything in AMD. Once the K10 ramp up begins, AMD's stock will sky rocket and those who were wise enough to invest will be set up for life.
Wait?
AMD using high-k and bulk silicon?
COPYCATS
i loled terry
to bad amd copied everything from intel till the pentium2
AMD only makes low-end x86, right?
Well, AMD didnt even copy x86 from Intel, Intel GAVE IT TO THEM.
That tells it all.
penix, you really are fucked in the head.
AMD has ONLY been at the head of the pack when the K8 was first released. It wasn't before that, and since Intel released it's Core line up, its now at the back of the bus.
Are you REALLY that much of a fanboi to think otherwise?
I think you mean AMD is on the eve of destruction. Unlike AMD, Intel is actually making money. AMD has already lost a billion dollars this quarter and is very much in debt to just about everyone. Intel isn't.
AMD is having problems moving to 65um. Intel is done with 65um and is moving full force to 45um and as of yet, hasn't run into any issues and is already starting the move to its new 32um process, not to mention already mapping out transition to 22um in 2011. Hell Intel has mastered the 2 year die shrink and AMD hasn't even gotten the move to 65um down....
Until AMD gets the 65um transition done, the so called ramp of the K10 isn't. And at the rate AMD is currently going its going to be another 6 months for them to get 65um down the right way. That gives Intel nearly 10 months lead time.
AMD better do something, as they are very much in trouble if they don't.
Get over your pipe dreams and understand better exactly what is going on with AMD. They are in TROUBLE. Blocking your ears, eyes and mouth like three moronic monkeys isn't going to change the facts.
If Intel was copying AMD we might have avoided that whole Netburst mess.
But I do think that the main factor in the industry is money and manufacturing capability, and Intel has a very big advantage there. They have a larger margin for error. AMD has to take more risks while having a smaller margin for error.
I don't think they'll BK, but they need to get faster speeds out of their current CPUs or it will be a long and very unhappy 2008 for AMD.
OK, this is proof of what Burninator has tried to tell us. This isn't real, it has got to be some kind of psychological experiment.
Where's little Chrissy Howell? Shouldn't he be posting his amens already?
Sure is stupid of AMD to keep cross licensing their IP to Intel.
Since AMD is doing 100% of the inventing and then handing access to the patents to Intel, AMD should pull out of the agreement.
Since AMD is no longer using any Intel IP, its the smart thing to do.
LOL!
Oh yes! Hector is at it again bitching about Intel "stealing" everything.
Let's see, here are some innovations in K10 that Intel was SO EVIL that it literally invented a time machine and stole them from AMD before AMD could even make the K10!!
1. Shared cache --> Major design feature AMD fanboys derided as stupid in the C2D but now hail as a religious icon in K10. I guess Intel messed up here, since shared cache in the Core 2 actually works.
2. Single issue SSE instructions. --> Looks like those Intel bastards pulled a DOUBLE theft! First of all, they go off and "invent" SSE before AMD does (talk about awful theft!) and then they go and make their data paths 128 bits wide to make SSE operations more efficient! Of course AMD just invented this last week with the K10 so Intel STOLE this technology!
3. Memory Prefetching: AMD just put this out in K10! It is a total theft by Intel that Core 2 had a (superior) implementation in 2006!! Damned time machine again.
4. Quad Core: Remember kids, AMD invent the number 4! Intel STOLE the idea of having 4 cores in a chip! AMD is the only one delusional .. uh .. BRILLIANT enough to put all of them on 1 piece of silicon no matter how impossible it is to manufacture!! Performance is irrelevant! Power Usage is irrelevant!
Oh, and when Intel's true-octo core comes out in 2009, 8 cores will be stupid and evil since AMD won't have them yet!!
5. Platform: AMD invented the idea of having a "motherboard" that you can plug "components" into and have them all work together!! This was literally invented 2 weeks ago! Those evil Intel motherboards from 1997 with "cpu sockets" and "AGP slots" that allowed you to mix & match components are all ripoffs of what AMD invented last Tuesday!!!
6. Losing Lots of money: Oh wait, Intel hasn't figured out how to steal that yet. But give them time!
7. Powerpoint offensives: AMD still wins here! Nobody can make a powerpoint like Randy Allen! Intel can't get those swooshy transition effects right! Nobody cares about actual products, AMD leads in spewing buzzwords!
AMD is positioned for an epic slaughter
Exactly how have they positioned themselves?
Is it the 4 consecutive quarters of losses?
OR
Is it the introduction of a new processor that is out performed by the competitor's outgoing processor?
OR
Is it the halt on Barcelona shipments that was reported today?
Totally fucked up broken L3... when is Intel going to copy that one, eh?
Ogh, please, for the Love of god!
Here is the IEEE top R&D Spenders of 2007.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/dec07/rndcalc
AMD: $1003MM
Intel: $4702MM
Nuff'Siad!
Whoops! AMD is in some real shit now...
Oh and the fix? Slows the processors down by up to 15%!
AMD's quad-core "Barcelona" Opterons have been notably difficult to find since their introduction two months ago, and The Tech Report has learned that a chip-level problem has impacted the supply of these chips to both server OEMs and distribution channel customers.
Chipmakers refer to chip-level problems as errata. Errata are fairly common in microprocessors, though they vary in nature and severity. This particular erratum first became widely known when AMD attributed the delay of the 2.4GHz version of its Phenom desktop processor to the problem. Not much is known about the specifics of the erratum, but it is related to the translation lookaside buffer (TLB) in the processor's L3 cache. The erratum can cause a system hang with certain software workloads. The issue occurs very rarely, and thus was not caught by AMD's usual qualification testing.
An industry source at a tier-two reseller told The Tech Report that the TLB erratum has led to a "stop ship" order on all Barcelona Opterons. When asked for comment, spokesman Phil Hughes said AMD is shipping Barcelona Opterons now, but only for "specific customer deals." Industry sources have suggested to TR that those deals are high-volume situations involving supercomputing clusters. Such customers may run workloads less likely to be affected by any workarounds for the erratum that reduce L3 cache performance, and those customers could potentially consume hundreds of thousands of CPUs. Our sources indicate, and the current availability picture would seem to confirm, that quad-core Opterons are not shipping to OEMs or the channel more generally.
News of this problem is notable because it confirms that the TLB erratum affects Barcelona server processors as well as Phenom desktop CPUs, and that the problem impacts AMD's quad-core processors at lower clock speeds. AMD's initial public statements about the erratum and the delay of the 2.4GHz Phenom seemed to imply that the issue was closely related to clock frequencies. The Opteron 2300 lineup spans clock speeds from 1.7GHz to 2.0GHz. Those CPUs' north bridge clocks, which determine the frequency of the L3 cache, range from 1.4GHz to 1.8GHz.
The erratum is present in all AMD quad-core processors up to the current B2 revision. AMD has said a revision B3 is in the works and expected in Q1. One source told TR that large quantities of B3 chips might not be available until the end of Q1.
The potential for instability with the TLB erratum can be corrected via BIOS-based workaround, but multiple sources have suggested the BIOS fix involves a substantial performance hit. AMD has publicly estimated the performance penalty for the BIOS fix could be around 10%, and one source pegged the penalty at 10-20%. AMD has acknowledged that the TLB erratum particularly affects virtualization, and industry sources say the performance hit from the fix may be most severe with virtualization, as well. Server administrators responsible for virtualized environments will probably want to wait for the B3-rev CPUs before upgrading.
TR has attempted to confirm the impact of the BIOS-based fix, but the BIOS for the SuperMicro H8DMU+ motherboard used in our review of the Barcelona Opterons has not been updated since mid-September and doesn't appear to include the TLB erratum workaround.
Linux users may have another option in the form of a patch for that operating system's kernel. Sources estimate this patch's performance hit at less than one percent, but it comes with several caveats. At present, the patch purportedly only applies to the 64-bit version Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Upgrade 4. Customers must sign a non-disclosure agreement in order to obtain the patch, and will be responsible for supporting it themselves. The patch doesn't currently appear to be available via Red Hat's regular support channels.
At present, Microsoft doesn't offer a Windows hotfix to address the problem, and our sources were doubtful about the prospects for such a patch. CPU makers have oftentimes addressed errata via updates to the processor's microcode, but such a fix for this problem also appears to be unlikely.
You guys thought the current Phenom performance is awful?!
It gets worse. It turns out that the reviews weren't done quite correctly:
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13724
We don't yet have a BIOS with the workaround to test, but we've already discovered that our Phenom review overstates the performance of the 2.3GHz Phenom. We tested at a 2.3GHz core clock with a 2.0GHz north bridge clock, because AMD told us those speeds were representative of the Phenom 9600. Our production samples of the Phenom 9500 and 9600, however, have north bridge clocks of 1.8GHz. We've already confirmed lower scores in some benchmarks.
Given everything we've learned in the past few days, our review clearly overstates Phenom 9600 performance, as do (more likely than not) other reviews of the product. We can't know entirely by how much, though, until we can test a Phenom system with the TLB erratum workaround applied.
Things just keep getting worse for AMD. Meanwhile, I'll continue enjoying the blazing fast quad core speed I've enjoyed since April. I also fully intend on purchasing a Yorkfield quad core come January. This system will have had a nice long life. From a C2D E6600 to a Q6600 to a 45nm quad. I also hear that the Geforce 9 is due out in February. Depending on the performance I'll likely pick one of these up too!
AMD BK Q1'09.
One Laptop Per Child orders surge
Peru wants 260,000 machines;
Mexican billionaire signs up
By Hiawatha Bray
Globe Staff / December 1, 2007
Despite slower-than-expected sales and tough competition from commercial rivals, the One Laptop Per Child Foundation of Cambridge is enjoying a surge of new orders.
more stories like this
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* Low-cost laptop production started
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Nicholas Negroponte, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor who set up the foundation to provide low-cost laptops to poor schoolchildren around the globe, said in an interview yesterday that the government of Peru has signed a contract to purchase 260,000 of the $188 machines. "It was notarized five minutes ago," he said, adding that the Peruvian order will make it easier for the foundation to sign up more countries to the program. "It's momentum."
Negroponte also said Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim has purchased 50,000 of the machines for distribution in his country. "He's an old friend, and he's been involved in this from the beginning," Negroponte said.
The nonprofit has designed its laptop to eventually cost less than $100 each. It hopes to persuade governments in developing countries to buy millions of the machines and hand them out free of charge as educational tools.
But foreign governments haven't placed as many orders as Negroponte expected when he launched the foundation in 2005. So OLPC has asked affluent American individuals and charitable groups to buy machines and donate them to children in poor countries. Participants in the Give One Get One program pay $400 for two of the machines - one for their own use and the other to be donated. Participants also receive a year of free wireless Internet access at hundreds of public hotspots operated by T-Mobile. A separate program, called Give Many, encourages charities to pay for hundreds or thousands of OLPC laptops.
Robert Fadel, the foundation's director of finance and operations, said both programs are paying off. Since the Give One Get One program began Nov. 12, the foundation has received about $2 million in orders every day, he said. That works out to 190,000 laptops total, with at least half donated to children in developing countries. Fadel said many customers end up donating both the computers they buy. Fadel didn't have numbers on how many machines have been sold through the Give Many system, but said the number runs into the thousands.
The surge in sales of the nonprofit's laptops comes as OLPC faces growing competition from commercial vendors of cheap laptops. Intel Corp. is pushing a rival computer called the Classmate, while Asus Computer International of Taiwan offers the Eee PC, designed for use in affluent nations such as the United States as well as in poor countries.
OLPC also has been hit by a patent-infringement lawsuit in Nigeria filed by Lagos Analysis Corp. of Natick. The suit claims the foundation stole the company's keyboard design. Negroponte said the lawsuit is without merit, because OLPC uses a keyboard programming technique developed in 1996, long before the Nigerian patent was filed.
The founder of Lagos Analysis Corp., Ade Oyegbola, was convicted of bank fraud in Boston in 1990 and served a year in prison. Oyegbola insists his Nigerian patent is legitimate and said he plans to file a copyright-infringement lawsuit against OLPC in an American court.
Computer industry analyst Roger Kay of Endpoint Technologies Associates Inc. in Wayland, a longtime skeptic of the OLPC plan, was impressed by the foundation's early sales. "I remain generally skeptical, but that's some good news," said Kay. "If you were a budding computer company, you'd be happy to sell 300,000 or so units in your first season."
But Kay still predicted trouble ahead for the foundation, unless it stops acting like a charity and more like a traditional computer business. "They have to survive on selling products, having satisfied customers, and having people come back for more," he said.
However, Negroponte said OLPC's nonprofit status is essential, as it enables the foundation to collaborate with leading technology companies in designing and building the laptop. He said many of the foundation's partners would not offer assistance if they viewed OLPC as a business rival rather than a charity.
Peru orders 260,000 OLPC laptops
And billionaire buys 50,000 for Mexico
By INQUIRER newsdesk: Monday, 03 December 2007, 5:16 PM
THE GOVERNMENT of Peru has placed an order for 260,000 laptops from the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project as the charity's drive to supply cheap green-and-white PCs to children in developing countries gathers steam.
The deal was announced at the weekend by project founder Nicholas Negroponte, who set up the charity group in Massachusetts two years ago.
Speaking to the Boston Globe, Negroponte said the Peruvian order would make it easier for the foundation to sign up more countries to the programme. "It's momentum," he said.
He also said another 50,000 units had been purchased by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim, a longtime friend of Negroponte's. "He's an old friend, and he's been involved in this from the beginning," he told the paper.
The XO laptops, which went into mass production last month, are based on free open-source software and designed to use less than one tenth of the power of a standard laptop. The machines currently retail at $188 per unit although the charity eventually wants to sell them for $100 or less.
A professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Negroponte is also the younger brother of John Negroponte, the deputy US secretary of state.
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"Customers must sign a non-disclosure agreement in order to obtain the patch, and will be responsible for supporting it themselves."
GPL violation, anyone?
Once again, oneexpert proves his back is against the wall by cutting and pasting stuff about the OLPC and no comments on AMD's current state of failure and Intel's lead in the CPU market.
Whats the matter oneexpert, can't find anything positive for AMD?
Maybe someday you'll have enough intelligence to do a bit more.
Oh here is some cutting and pasting for you:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/28/amd-thrashed-intel-shock
AMD thrashed by Intel, shock
A REPORT FROM market research firm Isuppli claimed that even though semiconductor sales are slowing, chip firm Intel continues to shine, if that's the right word.
Said Dale Ford, VP of market intelligence at Isuppli: "Intel exceeded the overall semiconductor industry growth rate of 4.1 percent in 2007 and massively outperformed its PC microprocessor rival, Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) of the United States, whose sales are expected to decline by 22.7 percent for the year."
Oh and from http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13724
What makes this whole story even more funny is the person (thats right ONE PERSON) responsible to fix/update the ENTIRE Barcelona line is ON VACATION. What a bunch of bullshit, just like this "blog".
We reported earlier today that a problem with AMD's quad-core processors has limited supply of "Barcelona" Opterons, but that is only part of the picture. Because the hardware bug—known as an erratum—affects all revisions and clock speeds of AMD's quad-core processors, it affects the newly introduced Phenom 9500 and 9600 processors, as well. And although AMD is no longer shipping quad-core Opterons to major server vendors and general customers, it is shipping Phenoms to large PC builders and distributors. In fact, AMD knew about the erratum before the Phenom product launch, although its original statements about the issue gave the impression it only affected Phenoms clocked at 2.4GHz or higher.
To recap, the erratum is a chip-level issue involving the TLB logic for the L3 cache that can cause system hangs in specific circumstances. AMD has a fix for the problem in the works, but it degrades performance. AMD has stated publicly that the workaround can lower performance by as much as 10%, although one source characterized the performance hit to TR as 10-20%.
Saucier clarified the exact nature of the workaround for the erratum that AMD has provided to motherboard makers and PC manufacturers. The fix comes in the form of a BIOS update, and this BIOS patch includes an update to the CPU microcode. This update disables the portion of the chip's TLB logic that is problematic. Saucier noted that the L3 cache "still works" with this logic disabled, and he said AMD has no plans to implement the fix for existing chips in a different way.
Instead, AMD is preparing a hardware fix in the next revision of the chip, dubbed B3. Future revisions of the Phenom, including the planned Phenom 9700 model at 2.4GHz and the 9900 at 2.6GHz, will include the fix. AMD plans to replace the current Phenom 9500 and 9600 models with new 9550 and 9650 models, based on the B3 chip, as well. Saucier's best estimate for the arrival of B3 chips is "mid to late Q1" next year.
Hey bitches,
Let's forget about current cutting edge CPUs and AMD's utter devastation this year, and instead let's focus on OLPC since we're almost winning that battle!
Sharikou/Oneexpert, you are such a cunning little bastard, aren't you!
Waaa my company is losing money and evil Intel is gaining money. Cry more.
AMD is screwed. Every Barcelona and Phenom CPU is faulty. The update will cut performance by 20%.
AMD BK Q2'08.
btw: AMD is now worth LESS then what they paid for Ati just over a year ago! $5.1bn and falling. How long until I can pick up 10% of AMD for the $8.50 I have in change sitting on my desk?!
Just found this:
SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones) -- Shares for Intel Corp. jumped more than 3% Wednesday morning after the chip giant's stock was upgraded on expectations of a robust personal computer market in 2008.
The move added to Wall Street's already bullish view on the chipmaking giant. Intel's shares have benefited from the positive sentiment, having already risen 35% so far this year. The stock is now at its highest level in two years.
Analyst Kevin Cassidy of Thomas Weisel Partners sees additional upside. He raised his rating for Intel (INTC) to overweight, citing projections of strong seasonal demand for PCs that is expected to continue onto the coming year, especially in emerging markets.
"We believe 2008 PC demand could exceed expectations driven primarily by trends in emerging markets, including Brazil, Russia, India and China," he wrote in a research note.
Notebook PCs will be particularly strong in the coming months, which will be a big boost to Intel because the company has "roughly 20% higher dollar content per notebook versus desktops," he added.
Cassidy said notebook shipments in the fourth quarter have been "limited by supply of certain components" such as panels, batteries and keyboards.
"We believe this pent-up demand will carry over into [the first quarter] of 2008 driving revenue higher than seasonality may suggest and above the street's expectations," he said.
Cassidy is hardly alone in his bullish view on the chipmaker. Currently, 29 of the 37 analysts covering Intel rate the shares as a buy or equivalent, according to data from Thomson Financial.
He echoed the view of other analysts who see Intel outpacing rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) on the technology front.
AMD, the No. 2 maker of computer microprocessors, has struggled to keep up with Intel, which just recently rolled out its first products based on the state-of-the-art 45-nanometer manufacturing process.
"Based on various industry reviews, we believe Intel currently has the superior [computer processing unit] line-up in all market segments -- servers, desktops, and notebooks with Intel's greatest advantage in notebook CPUs," he wrote. "It now appears to us AMD may not have a competitive alternative to Intel's barrage of 45-nanometer CPUs through 2008."
AMD shares were flat Wednesday morning.
Cassidy raised his revenue estimates for Intel for 2008 to $42.5 billion to $ 41.7 billion and GAAP earnings per share estimate to $1.52 from $1.28.
AMD is finished.
I fear AMD may actually be finished. Not right now of course, but if they don't make drastic changes (and perhaps a profit while they're at it) the company might implode sometime in 2009.
Ok I think I've figured out why the AMD fanboy retards are so optimistic about AMD. You see, they think that the price of AMD's stock is the same thing as the price of the processors. So when Uncle Molester Hector says there's a "price war", it means it is a good thing when AMD's stock tanks. After all, if the price drops through the floor it's EASY to buy a share!
So AMD fanboys put on those helmets they make you wear when you get on the short bus & repeat after me: Low Stock Prices are BAD! Massive & continuing losses are BAD! Insane debt & interest payments with negative cash-flow are BAD! Falling ASPs are BAD! CEO's who can't execute and then bitch like 4 year old girls about how mean the competition is while raping shareholders & employees are BAD!
Now for everyone else who is NOT a drooling idiot fanboy: AMD got double screwed today. Remember the good ol' days (like last week) when AMD could close above $10 a share? Well it closed at $8.91 today... while simultaneously all of the other semi companies rallied on positive economic news. Here's something from an analyst
While most microchip stocks soared Wednesday on positive economic data, AMD hit a year low after Thomas Weisel Partners analyst Kevin Cassidy cut his 2008 revenue outlook for the company to $6.4 billion from $6.6 billion. He also lowered his 12-month price target to $11 from $15
Market up 196.23, INTC up .91 a share, AMD down .34 to close at 8.91.
So, who exactly is going BK again? Seriously, I forsee Chapter 11 in AMD's VERY near future.
AMD OUT PERFORMS intel AGAIN
AMD stole more market share from other microprocessor vendors like intel, according to third-quarter rankings released Monday from iSuppli.
AMD fared far better than intel, with its share rising by more than the twice the level of Intel's to reach 13.9 percent, up 0.6 of a percentage point from 13.3 percent in the second quarter.
As usual the intel fanboys try to hide the fact that AMD is out performing intel as a sales leader.
glued up pentium 3s have no future, intel has no future except as a antique relic manufacturer.
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Phenom fragged by itself!
http://techreport.com/articles.x/13741/1
Abinstein are you still here? What was that about Phenom having higher IPC than Yorkfield?! At this rate K10 will be luck to match the IPC of K8!
AMD BK by Q2'08.
INTEL INCREASING PERFORMANCE IN MOBILE TO NEW LEVELS:
http://www.dailytech.com/Intels+Penryn+Mobile+Processor+Schedule+Revealed/article9893.htm
AMD REDUCES PERFORMANCE BY 20% WITH BUGGY CPUS.
AMD BK by Q2'08.
This blog is surreal. I don't know why I'm reading and contributing to it getting hits, but I can't seem to stay away, it's kind of fascinating.
Oh well, only thing that's sadder than this place is that K10 is in tough weather these days.
Look out chip makers your days are doomed with dual/quad cores.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071206/tc_nm/ibm_chip_supercomputing_dc;_ylt=AjPEv2bZFQm0cNqvW0xBjMhk24cA
Whoops! More AMD trouble... looks like all those wonderful wattage information AMD posted not too long ago were innacurate! 20 watts more power consumption on the middle of the road chip!
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/06/amd-power-numbers-exposed
But it appears that in updating a a document entitled The Truth About Power Consumption Starts Here, AMD has let slip its TDP figures for the K10 core for the first time.
In what appears to be the original pdf here, AMD shows three TDP families for the chippery: 68W, 95W and 120W.
In what appears to be the revised pdf, here, AMD looks to have increased these values to: 79W, 115W and 137W.
You.
Are an idiot.
Looks like AMD is headed down a slippery slope they may not be able to climb back up easily....
HACKS CAN safely dust off those old David and Goliath
clichés when describing Chipzilla and Chimpzilla.
After a miserable week in Sunnyvale, Intel is now more
than 32 times bigger than AMD, judging by market
capitalisation.
AMD owned up to bugs in Barcelona and Phenom on
Wednesday and disclosed that general availability of
the former won’t be available until next year, with
most early chips designated for high-volume
deployments.
The bleak news has sent AMD’s stock down to hovering
around a 52-week low and the company now has a
valuation of just $5 billion. Rubbing salt into the
proverbial, Intel is touching a 52-week high and packs
a might valuation of over $162 billion.
Recent troubles also seem to have put a spanner in
AMD’s PR works. After issuing 11 press releases
between 1 and 22 August, the company has not posted a
single one since, if the firm’s website is to be
believed. µ
Security guru and creator of OpenBSD Theo de Raadt recently announced he had found some fairly serious bugs in the hardware architecture of Intel Core 2 Duo processors.
He goes as far as saying avoid buying a C2D processor until these problems are fixed.
http://www.darknet.org.uk/2007/07/intel-core-2-duo-vulnerabilities-serious-say-theo-de-raadt/
FANBOYS LIED AGAIN
Asus(tek) not Decreasing AMD Shipments in Laptops
Written by Matthew Cameron
Thursday, 06 December 2007
Apparently, rumor had it that Asustek was going to decrease shipments of AMD based platforms and processors in their laptops, in the near future. In AMD's place, Intel was said to be allocating more processors for Asustek; however, DigiTimes claims that this is untrue. Asustek will supposedly keep the ratios the same - finally some good news for AMD.
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OLPC SURVIVES intel ATTACK
One Laptop Per Child Gets The Green Light in India
Dec 4, 2007, By Indrajit Basu
India may have been a late starter in adopting the powerful computer-based education program One Laptop Per Child (popularly known as OLPC), a brainchild of MIT professor Nicholas Negroponte to bridge the technology divide between rich and the poor children in the developing world. But with the formation of an Indian edition -- called OLPC India -- the program, which aims to equip millions of world's school children with cheap laptops, is not only set to make an entry into India but also promises to do it with a bang.
According to Sumit Chowdhury and Bhalchandra Joshi, the two co-founders of OLPC India, this "movement" first introduced in the country as a pilot project in October. The this pilot ran in a tribal school in a village in Khairat, located in the Indian state of Maharashtra. Now the self-described movement is gaining momentum and in the next few months, OLPC India hopes to import at least 20,000 laptops.
"We have received excellent response from at least a dozen state governments in India and we expect that large scale implementation will start from March or April next year, with an initial import of 20,000 to 25,000 laptops. And after that, subsequent imports could far exceed that number" said Joshi.
Backing OLPC India is one of India's largest mobile telecom companies Reliance Communications (RCOM) which has tied up with the global OLPC alliance, the OLPC Foundation, to promote e-learning for children. According to RCOM, along with OLPC Foundation, it has assumed the task of evangelizing the concept in the country by working with government agencies, non-government organization (NGOs), content developers, translators, teaching communities and project managers to create a successful ecosystems, and help proliferation of OLPC in India.
OLPC India will also fund the initial imports of laptops drawing upon multiple funding sources, including RCOM's own contribution, grants from the governments, NGOs and even some willing donors from the corporate sector.
However, against Negroponte's wish of making the laptops available as cheap as $100 each, the India imports could cost around $190 a piece. Branded as XO, mass manufacturing of these laptops under a mandate from the OLPC Foundation has already started by Taiwan-based Quanta Computers, the world's largest laptop manufacturing firm. According to reports, the laptop will come with a 7.5-inch TFT screen, video camera, a microphone, long-range Wi-Fi and Linux as the operating system.
But although the "Initial cost is much higher than the $100-target, given India's potential, we are sure that the price could go down even below $100 as import volumes increase with the proliferation of OLPC in the country," said Sumit Chowdhury, the other co-founder of OLPC India.
The brainchild of Nicholas Negroponte, also the founder of MIT Media Lab, the One Laptop Per Child project is an initiative launched in January 2005 to provide inexpensive laptop computers to children in the developing world as a means of bridging the digital divide. The main driver behind this project is the thought that just as a kid needs to own a pencil and a slate -- a kid cannot really function if those were owned by a community -- it is also important to own a computer to be able to experiment and explore the new opportunities in today's digital world.
According to Negroponte, like pencils and slates, "a computer too can be a powerful tool" with which one can think, work, play, and learn. "Furthermore, there are many reasons it is important for a child to own something -- like a football, doll, or book -- not the least of which being that these belongings will be well-maintained through love and care," he says.
The concept, as some say "was captivating in its utter simplicity." Consequently it found support from many, including world leaders like the former UN secretary General Kofi Anan and global companies that include marquee names like AMD, News Corp, Google, and Red Hat. Nevertheless, despite the initial brouhaha, the concept did not really catch on as per expectations. Against Negroponte's initial prediction that the project would sell at least 100 million laptops to developing countries by 2008, according to a recent Wall Street Journal report, "only about 2,000 students in pilot programs have received computers from the One Laptop project."
One reason why Negroponte's projections stalled is that the Foundation was unable to develop or find a laptop maker that could make an efficient and dependable laptop as cheaply as $100. (The Foundation says that it has now found such a maker in Quanta and this manufacturer is already successfully making the $188 laptops as per OLPC specifications.) But the other and more serious reason why this project has failed to take off in the real sense, say critics, is that leaders in many developing countries didn't have enough confidence in the whole scheme.
Libya, for instance, which had planned to buy over a million of the laptops, reportedly backed out at the last moment due to concerns over its operating system (Linux rather than Windows) as well as the lack of service, teacher training, and future upgrade possibilities. Libya eventually decided to import 50,000 of the $300 Intel Classmates machines that have emerged as a competitor to OLPC's XOs.
Reports also suggest that Negroponte recently had failed to persuade other developing countries like Argentina, Brazil, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan and Thailand to buy one million laptops each, all of which backed out for similar reasons.
"This is where OLPC India's objectives will be a little different from that of OLPC Foundation," says Joshi. "We know that OLPC will find it difficult to take off in India too if the project is promoted only as a low-cost laptop-scheme for the poor children. Instead, it needs to be promoted as an integral education system where a cheap laptop would just be an important tool."
OLPC India's effort, therefore, would include development of content, training of teachers, creating an appropriate infrastructure like a network, etc, "all of which would create a foundation through which the concept could be spread and computers could be distributed," says Chowdhury, who is also the CIO of RCOM. (Joshi too is an employee of RCOM)
OLPC India founders are confident that soon OLPC would not only be a "very successful" project in India but perhaps on-track to become be the largest such project in the world eventually.
"With a billion plus population and the country's massive literacy efforts, it is not a difficult target," says Chowdhury. "Moreover, RCOM is supporting the OLPC initiative in India with its Internet connectivity, network backbone, logistics and support -- all which would cover over 25,000 towns and 600,000 Indian villages by March 2008. With that kind of an infrastructure support, the sky could only be the limit."
That may be true, but the question is could OLPC India dominate e-learning for the poor in India? And more importantly, is it going to be the cheapest? Already, OLPC is facing competition. Tara Akshar Literacy Program, for instance, a laptop-based literacy program funded by UK Government's Department for International Development (DFID), that has already brought literacy to about 50,000 women (from 6 year to 60 years) since April. This initiative reportedly cost just $60 per head.
"I do not think it is possible to do this any cheaper," says M. S. Ahluwalia the main coordinator of Tara Akshar. "And we have been able to keep it that way (dirt-cheap) because giving computers to each learner is not our main focus; we use it just as a tool with one laptop for every 8 learners. But we focus more on content and distribution and teaching capabilities, which I believe are the key components of success. Moreover, our overheads are low."
But that doesn't bother OLPC India. "India is big enough and needs many more OLPCs," says Joshi.
But that doesn't bother OLPC India. "India is big enough and needs many more OLPCs," says Joshi.
Indrajit Basu is the international correspondent for Government Technology's Digital Communities.
Microsoft tries to fit XP onto OLPC
A REPORT SAID that Microsoft will target the second half of next year for the release of a version of Windows XP that will run on One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) computers.
According to the Wall Street Journal, Microsoft's big problem is that there's no hard drive on the machines, and that means certain challenges making XP fit on a machine.
The OLPC machines use memory to store data - Windows XP believes in the swap file and the code base for its OS already occupy a huge chunk of HDD space.
Makes you wonder why Microsoft is bothering. But, according to the Journal, Microsoft will field test Windows based XO machines as early as January.
$100 to $200 dollar computer market out performing all expectations.
intel showed no interest in this emerging market and only AMD, IBM, and VIA are servicing this market at all.
The low cost computer market is the largest market that has ever exsisted for computer hardware.
intels outrageous greed and massive overhead expenses have totally locked them out of the biggest computer market the world has ever known.
BUY AMD hi performance, low cost, energy saving, most in demand, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
facundo, you are a fucking moron.
That report was from JULY of 2007 and those erratum were fixed before the end of the fucking month and did not delay the shipping of the C2D in any way.
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