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Intel won't have this kind of technology until 2009, and that's only on paper. You can get it today from Newegg. Intel engineers often look at K10 with awe: they wonder how AMD can make such a complex CPU work flawlessly.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 9/25/2007 11:46:00 AM
67 Comments:
Quad core? Old news. Intel's had quad core technology since November 2006.
Huh? Intel has been shipping quad core (for server AND desktop) for quite a while now.
Oh - he's refering to the oft touted IMC that Intel did before AMD back when AMD was copy-catting Intel (386/486)...
Just another moronoic post...hey sharibitch....where's the BK Q2 '08 predictions? aren't backing away from those are you?
Intel is going to have poor yields and slow processors in 2009?
I propose each and every one of us do what I do every time I see oneexpert's username and scroll down to the end of his post and read the next post without bothering to read a single line of his copy paste bullshit. It's a waste of time reading news announcements that don't say anything at all and it just might stop him if no one reads his shit or replies to his idiotic copy/paste and dumbass ideas.
If I read Sharidouche's OP again, it seems to me he recommends that companies keep dead weight around. You know if you are still a Windows 3.11 programmer, there is every reason to keep you around if you haven't even touched a 32 bit OS, let a lone a 64 bit OS before.
Amazing, that fucking moron has not a clue how big companies work, which is probably why he has this blog to make him feel better about the failure of AMD to beat Intel when it could have quite handily. Instead AMD continued its poor marketing and salesmanship, got lazy thinking Intel wouldn't make the changes it needed to, and quite frankly got hit by the Intel train as it got right back on the tracks.
Fuckwits like oneexpert can blather all they want about AMD being the best in the market, but its been proven time and time again that Intel has ruled the roost with the release of C2D. It doesn't matter how it is designed, all that matters it is currently beating the shit out of even AMD's top of the line processor with its new fangled Barcebalogna technologies.
Oneexpert and the fanbois like him are actually less useful than tits on a bull. Tits on a bull are actually kinda funny, you can laugh about it. The only thing funny about oneexpert and fanboi's like him is that they have lived as long as they have with as much brain damage as they have. I mean its rather serious damage to, just consider this list of symptoms:
1.) Completely ignore reality
2.) Lose the ability to think for oneself.
3.) Idolization of a complete moron, known liar and douchebag in general.
4.) Lack of typing ability, but that could be caused by the flipper hands too.
5.) Inablitity to look at the present.
6.) Total ignorance of the future and what it means in the technology world.
7.) Frothing at the mouth when people say the word Intel.
8.) Peeing the pants in fear when hearing the words Core2 Duo.
9.) Mistaking Jerry Sanders and Héctor Ruiz for gods.
10.) Less than Profound Mental Retardation level IQ's (in medical communities its known as being a Profound Moron, which on Wikipedia, amazingly has a link to oneexpert's posts here!)
Sharicunt blathered "Only idiots stick to retarded FSB"...
...never mind that said "retarded" FSB is STILL smoking AMD's latest CPU, no matter how you look at it...
The only retard here is you you fucking dink...
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Giant said...
Quad core? Old news. Intel's had quad core technology since November 2006.(intels had quad cores that nobody has been buying)
12:02 PM, September 25, 2007
Evil_Merlin said...
Huh? Intel has been shipping quad core (for server AND desktop) for quite a while now.( now when will they start selling it?)
12:30 PM, September 25, 2007
BARCELONA the first and only correctlly designed quad core....
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, leading edge, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
AMD has the only correct cpu designs, intels nehalem confirms AMD was right all along.
Dont wait around for the untested quackpath buy from cpu experts AMD tried and true hypertransport, in stock and designed right and works right time after time.
Why wait for a nehalem knock off when you can have the original and still best AMD cpus, platforms and video solutions.
oneexpert,
I knight yee, KING OF ALL MORONS for your spewage reeks of AMD failed strategy and inevitable demise.
Barcelona = Naive Quad Core
In other words...AMD BK Q2'08
FSB has been faster than HT for quite some time now. It is only in extreme situations (constant heavy data travel in BOTH directions) that the HT busES have an advantage.
Sharidouche still thinks that the FSB is a problem *lol* goes to show how incredible his uber knowledge of technology is.
Its good to see that Intel will be able to compete in the multicore visualization server space soon!
pity they don't adopt HyperTransport consortium spec's, I suppose they would have to swallow too much pride
Correctly designed Quad Core?
You really are a fucking moron aren't ya.
1.) Intel's quad design is currently outperforming AMD's quad design by a considerable margin.
2.) Inte's quad design is just as energy efficient as the AMD design. Except while under load where the Intel quad design is MORE POWER EFFICIENT than the AMD design.
3.) Intel's quad design is already making the transition to 45um something which AMD hasn't done. Hell they are still having issues transitioning to 65um!
Thus it seems to me Intel has the properly designed Quad Core.
Kinda shoots holes in your little fanboi delusional world doesn't it fuckwit?
you too can be like oneexpert if you ignore things like reality. If you are so stupid you think a desktop computer is made to be inserted into your anus, sideways...
Glass sues Intel?
And your point? Some nut job sues Intel because he couldn't handle the work? Sounds like oneexpert....
BARCELONA the first and only correctly designed quad core....
AMD has the only correctly designed dual cores.....
AMDs quad and dual cores outperform all other market cpus...
AMDs correct design is being copied by intel because its far superior to the intel antique relics...
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, leading edge, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
Why buy a opteron knock off when you can buy the original AMD OPTERON hi performance cpu....
The latest released BARCELONAs are beating all cpu competition...
pentium 3s are just too old for modern computing...
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost, the only up to date design, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
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GLASS SUES intel....
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving, low cost cpus, platforms, and video solutions from AMD, a nice place to work.
AMD BLACK EDITION 5000+ BEST VALUE and EXCELLANT PERFORMANCE...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 "Black Edition" 5000+ Appears
Posted by: Matthew Cameron on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:25 AM
CPUs Advanced Micro Devices has a new processor - dubbed the Athlon 64 X2 Black Edition 5000+. AMDZone has learned that this processor will fit into the 65 Watt envelope and will cost $136 when purchased in quantities of 1,000 processors or more.
As mentioned before, the processor is a 2.6 GHz part with an unlocked multiplier.
For updated pricing and more information on the Black Edition 5000+, please visit the AMD website.
YOU JUST CANT BEAT AMD VALUE...
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Hey flipper_expert:
This is a story of one "person" that sued Intel. I am sure you have the same for AMD ... but your lame kind cant find any good news and searches for even a small deal like this. GOOD job asshat.
I know that this is not the first time nor is it the last but atleast here in USA people are free to even sue if they "feel" discriminated against. If this person would have been a female .. damn then you wo uld hear of it in CNN! :)
We will hear soon about shareholders suing AND for lack of "performance" and lies to pump their stocks prices.
And the FUD goes on!!!
The FUD is that AMD did promise an INTEL killer + 50% performance .... where the hell is all that speed FUD boy?
I love it that you lamers are so silent now ... jerking on a 3 core instead of flying high on Barclamer. Its really interesting you freaks should help out AMD and BUY their CPU at high price. Why are you guys waiting? Help out your bed mate !!!!
OLPC NEEDS OUR HELP...
http://laptop.org/laptop/
One laptop per child could use our help.
Many of the countries that would like to participate just dont have enough money to write a check.
All donations are Tax deductible and appreciated.
I know for a fact that GOD would appreciate our efforts towards creating world peace with technology.
You never know, you might be helping to create the next technologist to save our planet.
AMD & INTEL are supporters of OLPC...there are many who need, lets all try to help.
Now I know you are fucking with us expert .... :)
So what class are you taking? social behavior paper?
So you are pezel and douchbag him self you are actually the same guy!!!! :) BUT I still enjoy messing with you ... call it .. being a pain in the a$$.
But Have to say bud merlin owns you :)
Give your money to UNICEF instead.
Children need things like clean water and food before they need laptops.
Get it yet, oneretard?
hey flipper boy, its spelled EXCELLENT.
I guess that way you can make the excuse you were not 100% full of shit about the peformance of AMD's new black box processor which STILL isn't as fast as Intel's C2D in the same price range...
Its easy to beat AMD value.
Almost as easy it was for your mom and her brother, whoops I mean your dad to beat you further into stupid.
Hahahahahaha
I just noticed this in flipper's post:
AMD, a nice place to work.
yeah if you don't want stock options, perks, bonuses, tenure, or charity gift matching...
To the last posters...
Don’t you have better things to do than bash the others posts?
If you don’t like what you read, don’t even bother to comment it if the only things you are going to say is insults.
Oneexpert made a very good post.
Good work Oneexpert!
Aguia:
You even know who you are trying to protect? LOL .....
flipper_expert is an idiot ... a lame, false, copy and paste moron. He has been putting FUD everywhere ... so he gets what he does deserve. Go back to the whole you came from :)
We all have lots of work ... wife house ... etc ... but for some reason I enjoy idiots like thim .. he makes me laugh ... thats what I need in my work ..
Aquia: Why don't you acknowledge the overall high quality of posts from people like Giant, evil_merlin, and Andy.
You see, they actually have to think for themselves when they post unlike one_molester who steals unattributed quotes from other websites and regurgitates them without thinking.
If you like repetition of boring old things put into a shiny new box, try buying the new 5000 series X2: Old technology, fancy box, new website!
Sharislut said (paraphrased)..."how AMD can make such a complex CPU work flawlessly."
Easy - they can't make it work "flawlessly" no one can...Intels CPU's have errata, so do AMD's, and given that they can't get the thing past 2ghz, I'd say that not only is their processor flawed, so is the underlying process...
Nehalam will launch with speeds > 3Ghz and have your oft touted IMC and no FSB - what will you say then? That AMD thought of it first? Go study CPU history before you make another retarded statements...
How about that BK prediction hmmm?
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Bubba couldn't have said it better.
A starving kid in Ethopia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or a slew of other countries can't eat a laptop...
A sick kid in Ethopia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or a slew of other countries can't get vaccinations from a laptop...
Donate money to charities that matter first....
K10 already at newegg
Damm demand must really suck if you can find such a touted high performer at a garage sales establishment like new egg.
I guess the Sun, IBMs, Cray and other power builders are finding few customers.
Got to get rid of the junk somewhere. I'll check to see if I can find any K9s at ebay with no limit bids.
Phoney INTEL going Bk anytime soon?
So much for garage sale companies huh!!!
Newegg.com opened for business in 2001 and achieved $1.5 billion in annual sales in its first 6 years of operation. Inc. Magazine recently distinguished Newegg in its list of America’s 500 Fastest-Growing Private Companies. We are one of four companies in the list’s 25-year history to qualify on growth merits while also recording $1+ billion in annual sales. Doesn't own any Fabs either.
Newegg might not be a garage sale company but AMD certainly is!
AMD BK by Q2'08.
Barcelona is a server CPU and that too projected as one which can go into servers from 2S all the way to HPC & super computers. So it is some surprise that it is available on NewEgg, which targets enthusiast's rather than businesses.
However more surprising is the fact that it is available in stock.
Is AMD cranking these like never before ?
or
Are very few people are buying these ?
See this : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/09/26/amd-barcelona-ht3-turn
I feel there is too much name calling & foul mouthing going on here. It is good if everyone can moderate themselves.
Newegg might not be a garage sale company but AMD certainly is!
AMD BK by Q2'08.
I've just realised something.
Phoney is actually retarded
Everything he says should be reversed.
Thus AMD BK Q2'08.
Good work Sharidouche. Your whole blog now makes sense to me
Are very few people are buying these ?
See this : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/09/26/amd-barcelona-ht3-turn
As you said, Barcelona is a server CPU.. For me, thats not a matter if those server companies didn't want the HT3 boards. They still can upgrade their CPUs to Barcelonas at anytime they want because Barcelona support both HT2&HT3.. HT3 is designed to support DDR3. Nevertheless, for desktop parts, it will be interesting to see AMD Phenom running on the HT3 board.. rite? ;-)
Just goes to show how pathetic AMD is....Intel just announced Nehalem and AMD to counter this barage of intel news releases a new website campaign with a big announcement on 9/25/07......that big announcement turned out to be a crap 5000+ black edition........i cant wait till they announce k7 black edition when nehalem is actually released.........following AMD's plan ford just announced the model T black edition.......
Buy AMD when releasing slower processors is your idea of progress
Spazztic Pizza said
Nehalam will launch with speeds > 3Ghz and have your oft touted IMC and no FSB - what will you say then? That AMD thought of it first? Go study CPU history before you make another retarded statements...
You raise an interesting point. Did Intel invent the IMC first? If so why did they move away from it and why are they now coming back to it? I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with AMD, right? It's just now suddenly advantageous for them, right?
(rolls eyes)
Chuckula said
Aquia: Why don't you acknowledge the overall high quality of posts from people like Giant, evil_merlin, and Andy.
Wow, don't set your standards too high there buddy...
giant said
Newegg might not be a garage sale company but AMD certainly is!
Man you really got AMD that time...
You can roll your eyes all you want but the fact remains that the 386/486 archs both had integrated IMC's - a technology which - OMG - AMD copied, something the AMD fanboi's conveniently forget or refuse to acknowledge...Intel hasn't felt the need until now to integrate it back into their platforms - otherwise I'm sure they'd have done it by now...is it because of AMD? Sure it is. Is it advantageous to them, most definately - however you will not that the desktop nehalam has no IMC and still relies on FSB - so I'm sure that they're not too awfully worried about AMD...
bubba said
Give your money to UNICEF instead.
Children need things like clean water and food before they need laptops.
Get it yet, oneretard?
There are many worthy charities that address different needs. This one will expose underprivileged kids to technology that can change the way they view the world.
13ringinheat
.........following AMD's plan ford just announced the model T black edition.......
Following 13's grammar ..... we'll eventually get to the end ..... without encountering the first period .... Make sure you take a .... big breath first.... BTW I do agree .... that a black box 5000+ ...... is pretty lame....
I'd guess the IMC was scrapped at 386 because it was a waste of die space. That space could be used to improve processing speed which was much more important.
Some guy from AMD told me if you have a huge die you end up with shot to shit yields ;-)
It is all about balance. There is no point wasting space with a feature that is overly complex, ahead of it's time or unnecessary when another solution could use less space and perform just as well.
A lot of good a computer does for a kid that doesn't have enough food, drinking water, housing or learning to read...
There are plenty of other things that we can invest in to help those in need than giving them cheap computers. And what is the first thing kids were doing with these computers?
Browsing for porn...
anyone notice that Sharidouche's posts are reading more and more like oneexperts?
Looks like my theory on stupidity spread may in fact be a fact.
evil_merlin said
A lot of good a computer does for a kid that doesn't have enough food, drinking water, housing or learning to read...
Duh, you give those kids food, water, medical care etc. and give the underprivileged kids the computers so they can make a better future for themselves.
There are plenty of other things that we can invest in to help those in need than giving them cheap computers.
From your previous posts I wouldn't peg you as someone who particularly cared about other people.
And what is the first thing kids were doing with these computers?
Browsing for porn...
Don't project yourself onto others.
Aside from the porn comment Evil_Merlin's point, which myself and Bubba (he made it first) is still valid - these kids don't need laptops - they need food, they need vaccinations, protection from forced slavery, protection from wars they shouldn't have to bear witness too...
Insted AMD *and* Intel are dumping millions of dollars into OLPC, when it could be put to FAR better use doing some of what I mentioned above...
I'd be willing to wager that better than 50% of what gets given to these kids gets either a) stolen b) sold on the black market, to provide any one of the things I listed above...
People have their priorites wacked...
Whatever happened to Intel BK 2Q08? LOL
tech4life: It's called playing down to your audience, and in your case I'm not able to get that low.
Duh, you give those kids food, water, medical care etc. and give the underprivileged kids the computers so they can make a better future for themselves.
Except for the fact that people are running around like idiots trying to sell the OLPC and failing, so the price has increased to $175 per unit which doesn't include any setup fees. Now imagine instead of spending 175 bucks on a computer, spending it on food, clothing, education... In my mind thats a LOT more important than giving some kids who have at least more food and clothing and education than those that really need it.
Don't get me wrong, its a great idea, but lets help out those who need help first before bringing the OLPC into the picture.
From your previous posts I wouldn't peg you as someone who particularly cared about other people.
No. I don't care about stupid liar who faked the information about his PhD and his supposed wealth of information about Intel going BK in 2008 and his lack of overall professionalism for someone who claims to be a technical journalist.
I won't even get into the moron known as oneexpert who is so dumb, he thinks fucking a doorknob is a good thing.
For those that doubt the OLPC users were looking at porn when they first got them:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1966647020070720
Don't let facts stand in the way of your blinders!
Only AMD..
I pity you, can't you tell the difference between a tongue in cheek comment like "garage sale" vs something more directly and clear such as..
You are a stupid AMD fanboi that don't know technology
By the way good response about Newegg. Clearly revenues and accolades from journists are what make determine standout companies.
Let me remind you of Enron, a company with 21K employees and reported 111 billion in revenue and cited as "America's most Innovative Company" by Fortune.. Yup prove a companies worth by sales, revenue or awards...
Did you miss the already posted point that Barcelona's availability at Newegg is very strange given that their primary customer shouldn't be buying there.
It points to another failure on multiple points for AMD; late product, slow product, now product that can't be moved in primary distrubtion and sales chain.
What a plan for a company with limited resources, being run into the ground by the Hector.
You can roll your eyes all you want but the fact remains that the 386/486 archs both had integrated IMC's - a technology which - OMG - AMD copied, something the AMD fanboi's conveniently forget or refuse to acknowledge...
Yep. The 386 and 486 had an IMC alright. It was dumped with the Pentium though. With the memory controller on the northbridge they could run the FSB faster and it made the Pentium die a more manageable size.
Intel regaining market share: http://www.news.com/Intel-says-its-regaining-market-share/2100-1006_3-6210485.html
Barrett said his company has been regaining market share from AMD with new products.
No one wants AMD's crappy late quad core parts that run at only pathetic speeds of 2Ghz.
AMD is finished. BK by Q2'08.
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Yep. The 386 and 486 had an IMC alright. It was dumped with the Pentium though. With the memory controller on the northbridge they could run the FSB faster and it made the Pentium die a more manageable size.
Well look at that, a logical guess turned out to be right.
Giant said...
Barrett said his company has been regaining market share from AMD with new products.
What else did you expect the old geezer to say ?? "yes our management and marketing is pure mafia ..only our engineering sucks big time"
AMD TOTALLY BEATS OUT intel...
The Athlon 64 X2 BE-2350 pulls less power than all of Intel's offerings. . AMD WINS the power game with the BE-2350. The margin of victory is great enough to get very excited about.
ONCE again AMD demonstrates superior technical know how with the BE-2350 super power saving hi performance cpu.
In anands mid range cpu report AMD stands alone providing best value and performance.
AMD builds the best dual core cpus and AMD builds the best quad core cpus.
intel tells us that AMDs barcelona is the best quad core because they plan to copy it soon with a knock off version called the nehalem knock off.
In fact, copytel plans to scrap all of there present designs and copy AMDs designs for there entire cpu line up.
Why buy knock offs when you can buy the original AMD superior cpus now and in the future.
Nobody wants or needs glued up pentium 3 antique relics.
You dont have to wait for copytel to knock off the BARCELONA or the superior AMD dual cores you can buy the AMD originals right now and in the future.
AMD has many, many , many years of experience with hypertransport design builds, copytel has no experience with modern designs.
Forget copytel, buy AMD and be happy.
BUY AMD hi performance, energy saving , low cost, great value, cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
Aren't there normally hundreds of comments posted for a new CPU? Why only 2 for this wonder chip?
Desperation at AMDZONE.com lol.....
I don't post there but go there to usually get a laugh and mostly to laugh AT them.
According to AMDZone, if AMD does not do well in a review or article, the website is BIASED and they are automatically INTEL PAID PUMPERS! lol.
The desperation is SO CLEAR, Barcelona launch was botched beyond belief, the lame attempt at marketing the 5000+ which even left AMDzoners at shock and now they can see that Phenom won't be as mighty as they had expected.
their main fallback, ohhh we're gonna have DDR2-800 and it will give a Kabilion% improvement.
LOL Oh how I laugh at them.
Poor little oneexpert is in a panic.
No more can he say AMD has the best performing CPU's because Intel has AMD beat:
1.) In the notebook market.
2.) In the desktop market.
3.) In the server market.
4.) In the multicore market.
Oh and it does it with a "glued together Pentium III".
Must suck to be sent to your room by mommy and have to see all those reviews of Barcelona getting beat by Intel's old technologies...
After you kill yourself in shame, the world can rejoice as the overall IQ will start going up again.
AMD estimates cut yet again:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202102862
''We believe the company's late Barcelona introduction and disappointing early performance are an early indication of a bad marriage of process technology and design that will be hard to fix before a move to 45-nm is required,'' said analyst Doug Freedman of American Technology Research Inc., in a new report.
''AMD still has a lot of work to do to fix the architectural mismatch of Barcelona with the 65-nm process node and the poor performance of R600,'' he said, referring to ATI's latest graphics chip. That chip is also late to the market.
In response, AMD is expected to move the attention over to a 45-nm version of the quad-core processor. ''We expect a shift in attention to AMD's 45-nm pilot results and demonstrations as early as December at the company's analyst event, where we believe it will be more important to deliver early 45-nm samples than a 2.5GHz Barcelona processor,'' he said.
''There is no doubt that new process and product designs increase the risk of success, but in this case it appears to be the only option and best way to regain competitive products,'' he said. However, ''Intel's execution/roadmap puts even more pressure on AMD to deliver 45-nm on time in summer 2008.''
As a result of the problems, Freedman lowered his estimates on AMD. ''We are lowering our Q3 revenue and EPS estimate to $1.529 billion and a loss of $0.62 from $1.557 billion and a loss of $0.58,,'' he said. ''For 2008, we now forecast revenue of $6.855 billion verses our prior expectation of $7.237 billion, with our net loss estimate lowered to $0.97 from $0.44.''
AMD is finished. Running of cash rapidly, and losses are expected to continue well into 2008 until BK.
BTW, AMD wasn't "copy catting" back in the 286/386/486 days. IBM required a second source of processors (to reduce risks if Intel had problems), and so AMD were manufacturing Intel designs under license.
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