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148 Comments:
Dear Leader tells of clothes for AMD!
Dear Leader provide food for all Korea Peoples and starves Inteal!
Dear Leader makes heroic stand against evil Intel!
Dear Leader makes for super-profitable AMD!
Dear leader is greatest Architect! He make Pyong Yang Barcelona K10!
I just wanted to get some real propaganda out there to show AMD how to do it right!
And again chuckula findes himself lost in a dark place where's no windows, no doors, nothing. He stands still and meditates: "What is left of me? What my purpose in this cruel life? What is happening to me? --- I must find my way in life... but how?"
The answer is here dear inteler: GET A LIFE !
And again chuckula findes himself lost in a dark place where's no windows, no doors, nothing. He stands still and meditates: "What is left of me? What my purpose in this cruel life? What is happening to me? --- I must find my way in life... but how?"
The answer is here dear inteler: GET A LIFE !
All this coming from the only dumbass i know who would "upgrade" from a core 2 to garage sale AMD technology.........well said sir..
@13ringinheat: yeap, you're right, C2D out, X2 in "sir".
Be free Use AMD's power point!!!
@13ringinheat: how about some fried eggs on C2D?
How about a nuclear reactor to power 4x4 not to mention the energy efficient 2900XT.........
Would you like another power point to place in the CPU socket of your motherboard????says AMD..
@13ringinheat: how about 2 nuclear reactors to power 1 Intel Clovrton server, not to mention the environmental impact, smart guy.
@13ringinheat: how about 2 nuclear reactors to power 1 Intel Clovrton server, not to mention the environmental impact, smart guy.
Why would he need two nuclear reactors to power a cool running, energy efficient, Clovertown server? We can use two of the 1.86Ghz 50W CPUs or the upcoming 2Ghz 50W CPUs. Keep in mind these are all quad core. If he needs just dual core CPUs he could use the 40W 2.33Ghz. With such cool running CPUs there's no need for heavy duty power.
For a 4x4 with two 125W CPUs OTOH...
From AMD Q2 Conference call:
Chris Daley, JP Morgan
- I guess if this keeps up where you continue to gain a lot of share but you end up losing money still say in three or four quarters, would you guys choose to maybe pull back a little bit and focus more on your more profitable segments and less on market share? How does that sort of work out?
Robert J. Rivet
"The only good factory is a full factory. I think I probably say that every conference call, and so the mission is to sell the factory out and get the most revenue you can for that output."
Dirk R. Meyer
"So really, when we think about how much business we need, it’s how much revenue do we need to generate sufficient gross margins to cover our product R&D and maintain an increased relevance to our customer base, more so than filling a particular factory."
Okay, so the number 2 and 3 guys can't agree on their manufacturing strategy. No wonder AMD is such a mess.
@13ringinheat: Yeah, right dodo! In your wet dreams (maybe).
@13ringinheat: Yeah, right dodo! In your wet dreams (maybe).
First off all ass wipe that wasnt me that replied to your post it was giant....
Second of all your mom must have dropped you hard on your head if you are comparing a clovertown power to the power consumed by 4x4...........
I hope AMD makes another power point slide soon the fanbois are getting desperate.......
@13ringinheat: ppt slide shows are for you, intelers to be EASY to read. Got it boy?
@13ringinheat: Oh, i forgot: don't you have something better to do today? Start a fire or something in your cave. And for your information: my mother took real care of me in contrast with your careless mom.
ppt slide shows are for you, intelers to be EASY to read. Got it boy?
"to be easy to read".....LOL seems like you are the one who skipped those english lessons....
Oh, i forgot: don't you have something better to do today? Start a fire or something in your cave.
Yep i have to start a fire that is why i just put down an order for AMD 4x4 and 2900XT in crossfire.....
i am sure if AMD would release a 3.0GHz barcelona which needed 1200Watts to run i could burn the whole town down....
oh by the way which town do u live in again after all we need to purge the retard population down to a minimum mite as well send you one of those "energy efficient AMD CPUs like the 6000+"???
@13ringinheat: it took you about 1 1/2h to give me an aswer! This reflects how smart you are. You don't deserve to be here. Go somewhere else and put yourself together and spare me with your empty words. Get a life, get a girlfriend and stay away!
Why Apple Doesn't Do 'Intel Inside' ?
"[...]Even Apple's relatively new partner Intel came in for some back-handed criticism. Asked why Apple doesn't feature the ubiquitous "Intel Inside" labeling most other PC makers employ, Jobs said, "We like our own stickers better."
He was quick to follow with this: "We're very proud to ship Intel in our Macs, but everyone knows we use Intel. A lot of stickers are redundant."
Rathor:it took you about 1 1/2h to give me an aswer!
I went to the gym.
This reflects how smart you are.
No it means that i have other things to do than refreshing the page on the same website for 1 1/2h and waiting for responses......
Go somewhere else and put yourself together and spare me with your empty words.
Thats what i was doing i was at the GYM while you were refreshing and waiting for my reply from your parent's basement....
Get a life, get a girlfriend and stay away!
Funny i was just about to say the same thing to you. Actually i was going to suggest you learning proper english might I suggest a fud filled AMD powerpoint slide....
@13ringinheat:
So, if I'm not from USA/UK/etc. I must learn to speak your perfect language. Interesting, but more important is what people understands from what I'm saying/writing. English is my second language idiot, and it's not perfect.
For whom the bell tolls...
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"Baghdad Bob," Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf: The Iraqi Minister of DisInformation will be coming aboard soon to quell all disinformation concerning benchmarks!!!
Why Apple Doesn't Do 'Intel Inside’?
..I think this is the way to go to establish a free market. I recently saw a few HP laptops at a store with no processor logo....If Dell does away with the processor logo...their laptops would look much better too.
At least in the mobile space..sticking CPU logos is foolish...If a vendor chooses a particular CPU, I would leave it their good judgment to pick up the righ part for it that does the job (speed, heat, battery etc)...should I care if the vendor is using a Micron SDRAM or a SAMSUNG one?? or a Toshiba HDD or a WD HDD ?? Now if a processor vendor goes on to impair this good judgement , by passing on illegal rebates etc …then we don’t have a Free market.. I think CPU logos should be removed. Intel should be banned from having TV spots and Print ads that appear almost everywhere ..The argument being, the chief audience are not buying CPUs from a drive thru ..or are they : -))
Rathor: So, if I'm not from USA/UK/etc. I must learn to speak your perfect language. Interesting, but more important is what people understands from what I'm saying/writing. English is my second language idiot, and it's not perfect.
English is my second language too but one of us actually sat down and read a book about something other than "how to make love to AMD" and post BS on some forum......I am not going to say who that person is but i think you know him very well.......
So, onemoron, care to comment why AMD would release new Opterons a month before Barcelona?
Could it be that the old chips are actually faster than the new chips?
K10...Pre-fregged by K8.
250W seems impossible, but the three fans of our Tyan TA26 had to run at much higher speeds to cool the CPUs at 3.2GHz than at 1GHz.
Ummmmm...Yeah...Those fans are using 75 watts of power to spin...sure...
Kind of calls the whole article in question, doesn't it?
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@13ringinheat: I didn't make love "to" AMD and I did not post BS one "some forum' site... Actually this is a FREE AMD blog site. Gym helps intelers relieve combat AMD stress.
The best news for AMD is that the newly launched 8224SE and 8222 will outperform the current Xeon MP by a significant margin.
Yes, note the word CURRENT. i.e. These Opterons outperform the Netburst based Tulsa Xeon MP CPUs. The difference is nowhere near as significant as you would have us believe.
http://tweakers.net/reviews/661/4
Opteron is 3% faster than Tulsa. But that will soon change; Tigerton quad core is coming with the new Caneland platform. This scales to 32P. As soon as it arrives, AMD's last dominant position is wiped out. Coming this quarter, Intel announced they are shipping now in preparation for a launch that will be either this month or next.
AMD BK Q2'08.
Just in case you missed the earlier post...
"Baghdad Bob," Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf: The Iraqi Minister of DisInformation will be coming aboard soon to quell all disinformation concerning benchmarks/BKS/& all other BS..
Nvidia is crushing AMD. They sold every chip they could make, leading to a doubleing of profits to $173M. In the conference call they said they were capacity constrained. Had the fab capacity been there they could have taken even more share from AMD.
How much money did AMD lose in the graphics business?
Ready to fire the wetback yet?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/desktop-pc-chips-help-nvidia/story.aspx?guid=%7BEEB56EA4%2D16FC%2D4348%2D8A48%2D3FD8D8D143DF%7D&siteid=yhoof
Hey Bubba, no need for racial slurs or anything, it makes you look petty like Rathor. Besides, there are millions of hard-working Mexicans out there, and it's an insult to them to lump Hector Ruiz in with them.
Hector's more like Mark McGwire or Barry Bonds.... he looks like he's going great for a while, but then you find out he was cheating all along. After then once everyone finds out he was cheating he tries to blame all his own faults on other people!
Hector is no Barry or Mark, please.
These guys at least were winners. AMD was and never was a winner.
Mark and Barry weren't little cry babies and called foul when they lost. They just plain cheated and won.
AMD and Hector can't win and all they can do is cry and whine and create sites to try and draw sympathy.
Is it no suprise that they are losing hundred of million, their products suck, they are late and they are whining.. WTF
Hector is a disgrace don't bring up his ethnic background.
The mexicans that clean my house and do my yard work hard and don't cry and complain, they just work, even when it is 110+ outside
Turnaround CEOs
Surprise Surprise Surprise!!!
Hector Ruiz is top of the list...Wonder why?
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"NVIDIA delivered an outstanding quarter, with record revenue, record gross margin, and record net income. These results reflect the growing importance of the GPU as well as great execution across the company," said Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO of NVIDIA.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1039160&highlight=
AMD simply can't compete with Nvidia or Intel. K10 is pre-fragged by K8. Pathetic.
Turnaround CEOs
Surprise Surprise Surprise!!!
Hector Ruiz is top of the list...Wonder why?
Well he has turned around AMD! From a company making a modest profit each quarter and doing well to a company heavily in debt, running low on cash, and losing $7M per day!
AMD Debt downgraded deeping into junk.
"NEW YORK & CHICAGO, Aug 09, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Fitch Ratings has assigned a 'CCC+/RR6' rating to Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s (AMD) private placement of $1.5 billion 5.75% convertible senior notes due 2012. The 'CCC+/RR6' rating also applies to up to $225 million of additional notes issued within the next 30 days to cover over-allotments. The 'BB-/RR2' rating on AMD's $1.69 billion Term Loan B due 2010 is affirmed and withdrawn, as the company will use net proceeds from today's debt issuance, as well as available cash, to fully repay the term loan. The following ratings are affirmed: --Issuer Default Rating (IDR) at 'B'; --Senior unsecured debt at 'CCC+/RR6'. The Rating Outlook remains Negative. Approximately $4.1 billion of total debt, pro forma for the repayment of the term loan, is affected by Fitch's actions. "
Hector just came clean, admits Barcelona is late and under performs.
"Advanced Micro, the No. 2 maker of personal-computer processors, fell behind on a chip called Barcelona when it tried to design too many new features at one time, Ruiz said. He had once expected the chip to be done ``early'' this year. Instead, it goes on sale this month and will be slower than intended. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=ak38mX0ckWaU
You cant polish a turd......but you can release power point slides, delay it, hide it and hope that the gullible AMD fanbois believe in the turd.........soo far their tactics are working till the release and then everyone laughs at the turd covered AMD fanbois......
It's clear that Ruiz doesn't have what it takes to lead AMD into the future. Ruiz should be fired and the board of directors should either ask Jerry Sanders to lead the company once more, or promote Dirk Meyer to the position of CEO.
Barcelona is coming, ready to destroy Intel.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G_n3wvsfq4Y
http://virtualexperience.amd.com/index.html?cid=quadcore&co=quadcore
Intel is finished.
barcelona 2.0Gzh is 33% faster than the Intel Xeonist 2.33Zh. At the same clock speed, for sure the xeonist will get frogged by at least 45-50%
k10 is ready to launch this 10th september. Intel is so scared to hear about it. combination of 8 CPUs + 3 2900XT should be enough to blow away all intel fastest cpus..
go amd go go..
Hey Pezal is back.
Did you even bother to read the interview?
Did you listed to the 2Q conference call.
Both times AMD said Barcelona will be slower than Penryn.
I have observed that the closer we get to the release of new technology (that will benefit the world) the more negative some get. Torrenza is a step in that direction. New techniques to address virtualization with multi-cores should have everyone on the edge of there seat. Why are some apposed to progress? I’ll be just as exited when penryn is in the wild.
I’m amazed that some who love technology and there computer wish AMD to fail. It’s a good thing that Barcelona raises the bar. I can’t wait to see the mighty Intel engine respond with something even better.
I’m thrilled the technologies originate in America.
r said
"I’m amazed that some who love technology and there computer wish AMD to fail."
Me too, there's people on here who either not pay for their own PC or do but would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces just to prove a point.
Couldn't have said it better.
Thx r & andyw35.
Negative? Whenever Intel does anything you guys & onemoron start screaming about 'monopolies', '70's architecture', 'fake benchmarks', 'prefragged', 'Intel BK', etc, etc. When Intel fanboys do the exact same thing you do, why is it all of the sudden 'negativity'? I'm not saying I like it, but you are all a bunch of hypocrites for claiming to be pure when you do the exact same thing.
As for K10... I'm excited to actually see real numbers, but nobody has published any! We already have numbers on Penryn, not only from Intel but from HKEPC too, and more will be coming soon. Considering Penryns are not even supposed to show up until later this fall this does not look good for AMD. In the movie industry when you have an amazing movie, you put it in the hands of reviewers early to have them generate more buzz... but when you have a bomb you don't let them see it.... I think AMD might be doing the same thing. Don't blow that AMD propaganda at me about 'not letting Intel know' what's going on. That might have been useful a year ago, but everybody's going to know when the damn thing ships anyway. AMD is still 2nd rate because they predicate all their actions on Intel. Intel competes with AMD, but Intel does not base its entire strategy on panicky and gimmicky responses to everything AMD does, which is why Intel is #1.
I’m amazed that some who love technology and there computer wish AMD to fail. It’s a good thing that Barcelona raises the bar.
Yes the operative statement being "raising the bar"..... which it certainly is not. AMD has yet to raise the bar in anything ever since their success with the K8. Lets recap the "bar raising" shall we.....
AM2......A turd
65nm....A turd
4x4.....A turd
2900 XT...... very late And a turd
Barcelona......If recent list of failures is anything to go by most likely a turd.
The only thing AMD has been raising the bar in is their exceptional skills with power point unfortunately you cant sell power points to fanbois otherwise they would have made a profit...........
Chucky,
I agree with your post. But, each blogger in here will always buy the cpu/etc no matter what the post are. I personally buy AMD, always have always will. I'm not a gamer & could care less about benchmarks. I buy the cpu i believe will give me the best performance in multitasking/video editing/web design. I used to enjoy the post here for a good daily laugh. Now it has become a blog room to badger. I inserted the "Baghdad Bob" post to insert a lil humor into this room again. The guy was nuts but he made me laugh. Which is what all of us should try (laughter). Just my 2 cents.
Me too, there's people on here who either not pay for their own PC or do but would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces just to prove a point.
Yes well said andy.....this is why you AMD fanboi would "rather cut off their noses to spite their faces just to prove a point." by buying AMD since clearly Core 2 duo is the superior processor rite now. Backed by hundreds of benchmarks and apps all over the net C2d whoops AMD like a pinata.
Perhaps you should drop the holier than thou attitude and practice what you preach padre douchebag......
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You might want to try this link to help you look smarter with your lack of spanish understanding. PiÑata
http://www.spanishnewyork.com/spanish-characters.html
Who ever said anything about wanting AMD to go out of business?
I want them to fire Hector Ruiz so they can become a better company.
Bubba,
In the link you posted previously
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=ak38mX0ckWaU
Hector let the cat out of the bag that Dirk is in line to be Hector's replacement.
"Ruiz, 61, said Dirk Meyer, the company's chief operating officer, is being groomed to succeed him.
``The plan is that Dirk is the CEO in training,'' he said. ``He's one day going to take my place.''"
Broadcasting the inevitable: The BOD probably already broadcast a no confidence vote.
Either way, Hector gets his parachute.
Worth reading.
http://www.theinquirer.net/
?article=41610
I found these two links i feel is very important to AMD's future.
http://news.com.com/
2100-1006_3-6124515.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20070810/
tc_cmp/201400003;
_ylt=AktABEAuhi9uQwIQlnemq3QE1vAI
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Hooray for "only AMD" the "only retard" in the world who has difficulty understanding what pinata means without the tilda on top of the N.
My lack of spanish understanding pales in comparison to your lack of common sense.........which do u think is more important for everyday function.......
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The biggest story in these sales ranking numbers for 2006 was the rise of AMD. AMD post 86.1 percent revenue growth versus 2005, an increase that vaulted the company into the Top 10. The Gartner numbers agree closely with the iSuppli numbers that we reported earlier, numbers that also had Intel's revenues down 11 percent in 2006 (Gartner shows a 12 percent decline).
Why is this being posted again and again? We don't care about AMD's financial gains last year (which were all due to buying Ati). What we care about is financial performance now, this year. From the most recent quarter: AMD/ATI revenue = $1.378 billion, net loss $600m. Last year, in Q2'06 revenue is $1.89 billion for combined ATI/AMD. Profit down from $150m to $600m loss.
Now does AMD's financial situation look so great?
AMD is just flogging off $70 dual core CPUs to gain market share. The real money is in mobile and server. Intel is dropping the price of the E2140 to just $64. That will put an end to AMD's firesale.
@13ringinheat
i'll put you in the same category as i have a few others like you in the blog.
educated derelicts.
Have a nice day!
Only AMD said...
i'll put you in the same category as i have a few others like you in the blog. educated derelicts. Have a nice day!
Yes and i will put you in the same category as every other AMD fanboi here who refuses to see the writing on the wall and instead points to tildas on Ns......the mentally handicap category........congratulations but then again you already knew that since most people here call you "only retard" anyways......
To Chuckula
I can’t image why AMD would wait so long to release “real numbers”. If your glass is half empty your thinking something must be wrong; if you’re your glass is half full you’re thinking there’s going to be a surprise or some unknown reason to be revealed at the release. My guess is 2ghz is a tad slow and they are reluctant to publish anything.
About the legal battles; Intel doesn’t publish much so most of the info about the case is generated by friends of AMD. I must admit that from my vantage point the world seems to be playing AMD’s song. Legal matters are boring to read so I’m the wrong guy for the question, but here is my take on the subject; if Intel is guilty of charges then they should pay and if there not then AMD should reimburse Intel for the trouble, simple huh.
I like benchmarks, some benchmarks are even more than just marks-on-a-bench.
Intel is one of the worlds greatest companies and will remain #1 because they do a lot of things very well.
I can’t image why AMD would wait so long to release “real numbers”.
its a turd..
if you’re your glass is half full you’re thinking there’s going to be a surprise or some unknown reason to be revealed at the release.
Yep like the secret surprise with AM2 aka reverse hyperthreading.
They have no reason to hide their benchmarks unless everyone's suspicions are true and barcelona is a barceturd...
Why have there been nothing from AMD this past year? No new CPUs, no new awesome benchmarks? Nothing but a bunc of crappy lawsuites and whiny claims.
If they had benchmarks they'd surely show them. Remember when Hector had benchmark leadership, he'd be rubbing them in Paul's face and challenging INTEL to benchmark duals. I'm sure if he had any benchmarks to be proud of he'd be showing them.
The fact of the matter all AMD can show are "simulated" benchmarks. Real benchmarks from silicon will get beaten by INTEL anyday with Penrym already here and ready to go. That is why AMD shows nothing, because their platform and benchmarks sucks.
All they can do these days is run around and whine
The only thing that trumps AMD's whining and their craptacular products as of late is their awesome ability to make great power point presentations.
The same AMD fanbois who refused to believe actual conroe benchmarks when they were tested at IDF with a variety of apps now believe all the slide shows that show AMD doing decent and with vaporware CPU that AMD deams about......pathetic......
I figured being so close to Barcelona launch everyone should have a brief experience.
Sharikou posted this a few months ago:
AMD says K8L will frag Clovertown by 40% on a wide range of benchmarks. Some think AMD was talking about floating point performance, which is simply wrong.
As I have shown here, a dual core Opteron system outperforms a quad core Clovertown system by 14% on SpecFP_rate. That is, 4 Opteron cores are 14% faster than 8 Clovertown cores. Now, we know a K8L is 3.6x faster than a K8 on FP. This would lead to the conclusion that K8L is about 5x the speed of Clovertown, as far as FP performance is concerned.
So, the 40% performance lead has to be integer performance.
In conlusion, K8L will be 400% faster than Clovertown on FP, and 40% faster than Clovertown on integer.
Watch this AMD interview on K8L yourself. Basically, AMD is saying that K8L is so advanced that nothing in Intel's known roadmap can catch up. In other words, not only Clovertown and Conroe will be fragged, the next generation of Intel is pre-fragged, even with Intel going 45nm.
AMD will soon launch four K8L parts, the fastest will be clocked at 2.5GHZ, the slowest will be about 2GHZ. Therefore, within the AMD line, the performance spread is 25%. This means the slowest AMD chip will be at least 15% faster than the fastest Intel chip.
Intel BK by 2Q08, that what I said in 2006, and that is what will happen in 2Q08.
So K10 has apparently prefragged Penryn, and even Nehalem! And also, 40% faster per clock in integer, and 400% faster in floating point!
Oh and, best of all, Intel will BK in Q2'08!
Tell me Sharikou, what will you do come Q2'08 and Intel is still posting large profits?
I can't wait until Q2'08.
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I posted this earlier, but I'll repeat it for oneexpert's sake.
The best news for AMD is that the newly launched 8224SE and 8222 will outperform the current Xeon MP by a significant margin.
Yes, note the word CURRENT. i.e. These Opterons outperform the Netburst based Tulsa Xeon MP CPUs. The difference is nowhere near as significant as you would have us believe.
http://tweakers.net/reviews/661/4
Opteron is 3% faster than Tulsa. But that will soon change; Tigerton quad core is coming with the new Caneland platform. This scales to 32P. As soon as it arrives, AMD's last dominant position is wiped out. Coming this quarter, Intel announced they are shipping now in preparation for a launch that will be either this month or next.
AMD X2 2300...45 watts
AMD X2 2350...45 watts
AMD X2 5600...65 watts
AMD X2 6000...125 watts
AMD X2 3600...65 watts
AMD BRISBANES
AMD BARCELONA 3ghz
Motherboard chipsets ATI/AMD
ATI/AMD video cards
2300/2350 are just low power versions of their existing product. This is nothing really new at all. They're not in any way faster. 5600 is from last year and uses 89W, not 65W. (according to AMD's own website. 6000+ is nothing special, just a 200mhz speedbump of an existing product. It was from far earlier in the year as well. Finally, you forgot the 250W 4x4!
Barcelona 3GHz? Could you please provide a link to an online store where I can find one? I looked for a 3Ghz quad core but all I could find was this!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026&Tpk=QX6850
E2140 c2d nobody wants or buys.
Intel is struggling to keep up with the huge demand for these CPUs: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2376&Itemid=35
Q6600 quad...105 watts
QX6700.......130 watts
QX6800.......130 watts
QX6850.......130 watts
These numbers are mostly correct. The new stepping of the Q6600 and Q6700 have only a 95W TDP though. They are all Quad Core CPUs. All AMD has is dual core.
AMD 6000+ fragged by lower clockspeed E6750: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2376&Itemid=35
HAhahahha notice how the one retard compares dual core AMD to quad core Intels......lets use AMD's quad cores to compare.....ohhh thats right they only exist on power point slides.
Well lets compare something close then.....
AMD FX72 "quad"core 650watts at load!!!
Not satisfied lets look at another product that AMD just recently put out......
AMD 2900XT 328 Watts at load!!!!
Compared to the cool 268 watts of the Nvidia 8800GTS which also happens to beat AMD in most benchmarks.....
Buy AMD burn down Earth.
Buy Intel and Nvidia and save Earth plus help bankrupt a whiny bitch company and silence their dumb fanbois forever.....its a win win situation!!!!
Further, to the 6000+ being fragged by E6750, it still gets fragged while using 125W when E6750 uses only 65W. Even worse for AMD; the E6850 is even faster and is still using only 65W.
You can see nobody holds a candle to the intel space heaters.
BUY AMD energy saving cpus, platforms and video cards.
Yep. We all know how energy efficient AMD's 250W 4x4 platform is! It was so great that TechReport said:
Power use on the Quad FX systems is... embarrassing.
AMD also is well known for their space heater GPUs! The HD 2900 XT caused HardOCP to say:
The Radeon HD 2900 XT is an inefficient power hog. Using the 2900 XT card will cost you more power than a GeForce 8800 GTX while delivering to you sub-8800 GTS performance. That is not a small difference in terms of performance per watt.
So AMD is making energy saving CPUs like the 6000+ that uses 92% more power than a comparable Intel dual core CPU. Or the 4x4 platform that uses 92% more power than the QX6850! Or maybe even the space heater GPUs that use more power than Nvidia's fastest GPU yet are slower than the GTS; Nvidia's 3rd fastest GPU.
Buy Intel and Nvidia and save Earth plus help bankrupt a whiny bitch company and silence their dumb fanbois forever.....its a win win situation!!!!
Best post ever! ;-0
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*yawn* Hey, oneexpert, if you want to post FUD; at least post original FUD, not the same stuff over and over.
AMD X2 2300...45 watts Gets whooped by Pentium Dual core
AMD X2 2350...45 watts Gets whooped by Pentium Dual core
AMD X2 5600...65 watts Gets whooped by C2D
AMD X2 6000...125 watts Gets whooped by c2D
AMD X2 3600...65 watts Gets whooped by PEntium Dual core
AMD FX 70.....125 watts Gets whooped by C2Q
AMD FX 72.....125 watts Gets whooped by C2Q
AMF FX 74.....125 watts Gets whooped by C2Q
AMD X2 5400...65 watts Gets whooped by C2D
AMD X2 4800...65 watts Gets whooped by C2D
AMD X2 5000...65 watts Gets whooped by C2D
AMD BRISBANES Gets whooped by Pentium dual core
AMD BARCELONA 3ghz Prewhooped by C2Q
ATI/AMD Energy saving Motherboard chipsets. Gets whooped by Intel and Nvidia
ATI/AMD video cards Gets whooped by Nvidia
The question is can AMD do anything Right. Their CPUS and GPUs both get whooped in performance.
Buy AMD if you want to buy from the village bike of the semiconductor industry everyone is getting a free ride
Support AMD if you support low performance.
Lets go back to living in caves and driving Model Ts who cares about actually progressing.......BUY AMD!!!
Intel introduces two new REAL quad core CPUs; not simulations!
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41657
2Ghz/1333 FSB with just a 50W TDP. This is outstanding performance per watt, far higher than you can get on AMD's junk.
and for people who need all the power they can get; the X5365 3Ghz / 1333mhz FSB and a 120W TDP.
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13ringinheat said...
Lets go back to living in caves and driving Model Ts...yes c2ds are model Ts and no matter how fast you push a model T or a glued up pentium 3 its still just an antique and a historical footnote.
C2Ds 2 core or 4 core are reworked pentium 3s and thats all they will ever be, they have no computing future.
C2D is the latest compared to a Model T AMD. Usually progression means better performance. And if AMD can not provide that then they are the model T of the semi conductor.
When AMD's best is late to the market and competes with Intel's and Nvidia's mid price point segments you know things are sad.
BUY AMD IF YOU LIKE LIVING IN THE 1800s.
Mean while intel launched the Xeon X5365 is a 3GHz quad core chip which aids global warming with a power sucking 120 watts of energy use and sells for $1172, big heat and big price intel trade marks.
AMD's fastest Opteron costs over $2000! AMD Opteron 8224 SE $2,149 using 125W of TDP.
Why did you ignore the 2Ghz 50W version? That's just 12.5W for each core. AMD's low power Opteron needs 34W per core. In other words, Opteron is using 2.72X more power per core. Pathetic. AMD is only good for spaceheater technology.
Remember, Quad FX power use is emabarrasing according to TechReport, and the HD 2900 XT video card is "an inefficient power hog" according to HardOCP.
The difference between AMD and Intel is simple. AMD might show off a quad core CPU; but with Intel will actually let you buy one! Isn't that a crazy idea?!
AMD is stuck in the past; not even a ford model T. With a crappy 3 issues wide core, 64bit SSE only, no shared cache of any kind, and only dual core cpu AMD's cpus are more like a horse and cart compared with Intel's Ferrari CPUs!
New Intel Server Processors Provide Ultimate Choice in Speed and Energy Efficiency
Spanning 2.0 GHz at Only 50 Watts to 3.0 GHz, Customers Can Now Achieve Even Higher Performance with Greater Power Savings
SANTA CLARA, Calif., Aug. 13, 2007 – Continuing with its flurry of delivering quad-core server processors and other products ahead of schedule, Intel Corporation launched two quad-core Intel® Xeon® processors. The new processors boast unprecedented combinations of performance and energy efficiency, along with a pricing strategy to move the enterprise industry to multi-core systems. The new Intel® Xeon® Processors X5365 and L5335 also contain new virtualization capabilities.
Designed for companies running performance-critical server and workstation applications, the Intel Xeon Processor X5365 is the industry's first 3.0 GHz quad-core processor to fit inside a standard 120 watt power envelope. The X5365 also features front-side bus (FSB) speed of 1333MHz.
With the energy-sipping Intel Xeon Processor L5335, Intel is delivering higher performance quad-core processors designed for servers that require optimal space and power utilization. The processor includes a 2.0 GHz clock speed and 1333MHz FSB within a 50 watt power envelope – or just 12.5 watts per processing core.
"Intel innovation continues to enable us to be the multi-core trailblazer providing a choice of quad-core products for those craving the highest performance, lowest power and all points in between," said Kirk Skaugen, vice president of Intel's Digital Enterprise Group, and general manager of the Server Platforms Group. "Moore's Law, Intel's silicon design and process technology and the Core microarchitecture are allowing us to deliver even greater levels of end-user value by essentially enabling price parity between dual and quad-core Intel Xeon processors at a given clock frequency, further accelerating quad-core market adoption."
The processors are ideal for conducting simultaneous design and analysis transactions, improving rendering performance and managing faster analytics for industries such as financial services. Both processors are easily "drop-in" compatible with select existing Intel server platforms.
Using the SPECint_rate_base2006* benchmark, which measures integer throughput, a Fujitsu-Siemens* PRIMERGY RX300 S3 server based on the quad-core Intel Xeon Processor X5365 scored 98.9, setting a new world record1. Using the SPECjbb™2005* benchmark, a Dell* PowerEdge* 1950 server based on the quad-core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5365 broke the previous record with a score of 238,472 business operations per second1.
A number of systems vendors are supporting the new processors, including Dell*, Fujitsu Siemens Computers*, HP*, IBM*, SGI*, SuperMicro*, Rackable Systems*, Verari* and more than 40 others.
Enhanced Capabilities
Intel also integrated advanced technology capabilities into the Intel Xeon Processors X5365 and L5335 to streamline virtualization and further improve energy efficiency. In addition to Intel® Virtualization Technology, which increases the efficiency of virtualization solutions and enables 64-bit guest operating system support, the processors also feature new Intel Virtualization Technology processor extensions for improved interrupt handling in virtualization of 32-bit Microsoft Windows* Operating Systems.
As part of Intel's efforts to ensure that system builders can meet energy efficiency requirements, and end-users can continue to manage their overall energy consumption, these processors include new system-transparent energy smart technology that reduces idle power usage by up to 50 percent.
In addition to including this technology on the new quad-core processors, Intel is driving its entire volume server processor line to take advantage of this new lower idle power utilization.
Price in 1,000 unit quantities (as of Aug. 9, 2007)
Intel Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor X5365 3.0GHz 1333MHz 120W $1172
Intel Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor L5335 2.0GHz 1333MHz 50W $380
AMD is finished. AMD BK Q2'08.
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BUY AMD energy saving cpus, platforms, and video solutions and save our World.
With a 95W 2Ghz Quad core? that's unlikely. Intel's new 2Ghz quad core only needs 50W. AMD's 2Ghz quad core will need 95% more power per CPU than Intel's 2Ghz quad core!
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Specifically, DigiTimes..
False Alarm: Defective Radeon Report "Completely Untrue"
http://www.dailytech.com/
False+Alarm+Defective+Radeon+Report+Completely+Untrue/
article8374.htm
Hey Onemoron, I have the best way for you save the world.
Kill yourself.
Put a complete end to your energy usage. Do your part to save the planet. Please.
AMD is up to it again, unethical business practices!
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2007/tc2007081_108723.htm?chan=search?sa_campaign=internal_ads/homepage/us/http:||www.businessweek.com|technology|content|aug2007|tc2007081_108723.htm?chan=search/43301A-08_NewsReviews.gif
They send Business Week two computers with totally different graphics solutions. What's with that?
If I run a few tests of my own, I'll use my secondary E6600 system with a Geforce 7600 GT to represent Intel. For AMD's system I'll be sure to install the $30 Radeon X300 SE I have here as a spare graphics card. By AMD's standards, these tests will be completely fair. I will, of course, ensure that the majority of tests are graphical and taxing on the GPU!
Buy Intel and Nvidia and save Earth plus help bankrupt a whiny bitch company and silence their dumb fanbois forever.....its a win win situation!!!!
Some of you may remember the benchmarks on AMD's website that showed the X2 beating C2D. These benchmarks were blatantly false; the graphics on each system were totally different.
Now those benchmarks are gone; instead they've replaced them with new ones that feature no Intel CPUs.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13077%5E14670,00.html
They tested using an X1900 GPU. Why doesn't AMD add a few of the C2Ds in there, using the same X1900 GPU? Wouldn't they like the results of that?
Opteron pricing revealed!!! $320 for a 1.9ghz at 95W!!! hAHAHAHHAHAH pay $390 for 2.0Ghz thats $70 dollars more for 100mhz hahahah. Great deals AMD!!
News Flash: With crappy yields for barcelona AMD set to charge per mhz next!!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070813093618.html
* Opteron 2348, 1.9GHz, 95W - $320;
* Opteron 2350, 2.0GHz, 95W - $390;
* Opteron 2352, 2.1GHz, 95W - $450; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 2354, 2.2GHz, 95W - $610; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 2356, 2.3GHz, 95W - $795; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 2358, 2.4GHz, 95W - $1180; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 8348, 1.9GHz, 95W - $790;
* Opteron 8350, 2.0GHz, 95W - $1025;
* Opteron 8352, 2.1GHz, 95W - ?; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 8354, 2.2GHz, 95W - $1190; nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
* Opteron 8356, 2.3GHz, 95W - $1550. nonexistent but looks good on slideshows
I shudder to think what AMD would charge for these CPUs had clockspeed actually been good on these and it was not a turd.......
"IBM invented PC. IBM demanded Intel to have a second chip maker (you
know the reason why). Intel came to AMD and gave a way its x86
technology (with the processor design).
Intel secretly developed 386. IBM was not a factor now. --> intel
screwed IBM & AMD. Intel went along. AMD was lost. It would die. -->
AMD took it to the court. AMD won > 10 million dollars. Intel had to
give AMD the x86 technology with design.
Intel named its processors to Pentium (This way Intel can kill AMD)
Counter-attacked: AMD took that 10+ mil and bought NexGen. It came out
with K6 (K6=best Pentium design + the best NexGen). It was the first
time AMD went it way. K6 was buggy but faster than Pentium in some
area. It had a positive income for the first time.
Then the battle heated up. AMD went out and bought Alpha from Dec &
the whole Alpha team. It came out with Althon. AMD was better than
Intel now. --> AMD & Intel agreed to go their way on chip design but
still share the x86 technology.
Alpha was one of the best processor at that time. --> Althon was
better than Pentiums. Market reacted -> AMD gained more shared. AMD
greedily charged customer way too much -> positive income for a few
years.
It's crying now. It's blamming Intel. AMD please go back and take a
look at your business practice."
[author: anon]
---- ---- ----
The history is repeating (again). So, it must a a cycle or something that I don't understand. So, who'll win in the next 6->9 months? Take a wild guess...
Harpertown launch date revealed!
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/342837.htm
Click on that link, then click Boxed Server/Workstation Processors >. It reveals November 11 as the launch date.
Just as AMD tries to raise the K10 clockspeed past 2GHz, the Harpertown quad core CPU will open a new performance gap that AMD will never be able to fill; resulting in their inevitable BK sometime in Q2'08.
You can also see the Tigerton launch date of September 2 using the same link as I showed before. Barcelona? Officially pre-fragged.
"IBM invented PC. IBM demanded Intel to have a second chip maker (you
know the reason why). Intel came to AMD and gave a way its x86
technology (with the processor design).
Intel secretly developed 386. IBM was not a factor now. --> intel
screwed IBM & AMD. Intel went along. AMD was lost. It would die. -->
AMD took it to the court. AMD won > 10 million dollars. Intel had to
give AMD the x86 technology with design.
Intel named its processors to Pentium (This way Intel can kill AMD)
Counter-attacked: AMD took that 10+ mil and bought NexGen. It came out
with K6 (K6=best Pentium design + the best NexGen). It was the first
time AMD went it way. K6 was buggy but faster than Pentium in some
area. It had a positive income for the first time.
Then the battle heated up. AMD went out and bought Alpha from Dec &
the whole Alpha team. It came out with Althon. AMD was better than
Intel now. --> AMD & Intel agreed to go their way on chip design but
still share the x86 technology.
Alpha was one of the best processor at that time. --> Althon was
better than Pentiums. Market reacted -> AMD gained more shared. AMD
greedily charged customer way too much -> positive income for a few
years.
It's crying now. It's blamming Intel. AMD please go back and take a
look at your business practice."
Another fanboi living in the past.......kinda like AMD and their processors only good for people living in the 1800s therefore perfect for AMD fanbois....
Have fun paying $390 for a 2.0Ghz quad core which will get its ass handed to it by a intel processor cheaper and more efficient.........
Werent you the dumbass who traded his C2D for an athlon X2......guess they were right about a sucker being born every minute congratulations you are part of that statistic...........
@13ringinheat: I'm sick and tired of your BS posts. You suck! You're not even funny anymore with all your anti-AMD remarks. Intel wins, so what? AMD will never BQ, nor Intel moron.
Werent you the dumbass who traded his C2D for an athlon X2......guess they were right about a sucker being born every minute congratulations you are part of that statistic...........
Haven't you heard about the free choice? You must be a real idiot!
Yes, 13ringinheat, you must learn to respect people's choice! If AMD fanboys choose to use outdated, slow, antique AMD CPUs that are stuck at dual core only they have that choice, however stupid it may be. :-P
I'm sick and tired of your BS posts. You suck!
Typical amd fanboi response when faced with overwhelming facts about their beloved company.......oh what a surprise.......
You're not even funny anymore with all your anti-AMD remarks.
Never wanted to be funny though my remarks are anti amd and why you ask if you would look past your bias and take your head out of AMD's ass you will notice that AMD has done nothing recently to garner positive remarks........what do you expect me to say.....my that is a great power point slide with a great simulated CPU AMD???
Intel wins, so what?
Finally you have begun to see the truth there mite be hope for you after all.....
AMD will never BQ, nor Intel moron.
I never once said that in this whole thread your own insecurities about your company conjured up that statement perhaps some professional help would work wonders..........retard....
Haven't you heard about the free choice? You must be a real idiot!
Yes i am all for free choice but if you make a choice based on bias where you trade in a proven superior CPU for an inferior one and go around touting your "genius" move expect to be called a dumbass for it...........i have free choice too and i choose to call you a dumbass for your decision......
Wow, Sharikou is a genius. He posts three lines and gets 100+ responses. He should get some ads on here. He cold make a killing.
I don't know whose more gullible AMD buyers or Intel buyers.
Everyone seems to run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
No BK for either company.
ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!
Our sources indicated that Intel is closely watching AMD's release of the Barcelona processor and is somewhat cautiously optimistic on how its current Clovertown processor will compete with the CPU. The company believes that its upcoming 45 nm Core 2 Duo product line will keep a "broad leadership" position in the industry, Intel told employees that Barcelona "may challenge us on specific server/workstation benchmarks."
Intel aims to regain "clear performance and energy-efficiency leadership", lol, like they ever had this leadership. BS. It's Intel copying whatever AMD is doing, yet again.
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Hey onemoron, would those energy saving video solutions include AMD's 200w video cards?
Or the 125w cpu you just posted about? I can get 8 Intel cores in a smaller power envelope than two AMD cores.
You're certainly not being very green surfing the net for stuff to copy and paste.
Anyway, it appears to be about 2% to 12% faster than the 6000+, and it easily bested intels glued up pentium 3 antique E6750.
SOI 65nm 3.2 ghz.
Wrong. It's still 90nm. AMD's 65nm process is plagued with leakage issues and can't go past 2.6Ghz.
It's slower than the E6850: http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=66558
The only place it's faster is ScienceMark (written by AMD employees; hardly a fair test) and memory bandwidth tests that make use of intergrated memory contoller. Even at 3.2Ghz vs. 3Ghz for E6850 it still gets fragged all over. Don't forget oneexpert; AMD's power saving 6400+ will need 92% more power than the E6850.
It's Intel copying whatever AMD is doing, yet again.
Yeah, it's clear that AMD is leading the industry. First with quad core, first with DDR3 support, first with Direct X 10 video cards, first with 65nm and 45nm high-k process coming this year. Oh wait. That's Intel and Nvidia!
So onlyamd, why don't you list a few of the great innovations that AMD has come up with since say, the start of 2006, 18 months ago? These would be unique things introduced well before another company did.
I'll give you a few examples of what Intel has done:-
-Core Micro Architecture
-First 65nm process (technically this was late '05, but you couldn't buy 65nm CPU until January '06)
-Frist quad core CPUs for both desktop and server
-First dual core notebook CPU
-First DDR3 support
The day AMD cries uncle: November 11th 2007.
Intel sets Penryn launch date.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Sets+Penryn+Launch+Date/article8451.htm
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Anyway, it appears E6850 is about 12% faster than the E6750, and it easily bested AMD's antique 6400+ horse and cart crap.
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 3600+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 3800+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 4000+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 4200+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 4400+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 4600+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 4800+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 5000+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 5200+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 5400+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 5600+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 6000+
Intel E6850 is faster than AMD 6400+
Intel QX6850 is faster than AMD 4x4 FX-70
Intel QX6850 is faster than AMD 4x4 FX-72
Intel QX6850 is faster than AMD 4x4 FX-74
Intel is faster than all of the AMD cpus and operating at 3 ghz.
You can clearly see the antique AMD CPUs aging design is being outperformed by Intel superior designs.
Looks like AMD is running out of product markets and with the launch of Intel Penryn will find itself in troubled waters.
Watch all the fanboys fud, spin, and whine.
Buy Intel and Nvidia and save Earth plus help bankrupt a whiny bitch company and silence their dumb fanbois forever.....its a win win situation!!!!
Tick Tock Tick Tock
AMD is going bankrupt
AMD is only in the x86 business because of a lawsuite. Their only chance to stay in business is if they win another lawsuite. What a company heah... only there because of lawyers .
They perform so well that they demo machines without letting anyone do benchmarks.
Their CPUs perform so well that they are priced in the mid hundreds for their next great design.
What a joke of a company. Its fitting its run by a whiny mexican who ruined Motorola in his past life
Its actually fitting that AMD named their new CPU 6400+ "black edition".
Their entire K8 line should be the "black" and blue edition after the whooping C2D put on them after its release.
News Flash: Eskimos most likely to buy 6400+, sources report that the CPU heats up entire village during winter
Kudos to AMD for releasing another very slow and energy efficient processor which joins their already energy efficient line up of 5600+, 6000+, 6400+, FX70, FX72, FX74 and their newest energy efficient GPU 2900XT.
Barcelona will soon be added to the above energy efficient line up running at a blazing 2.0ghz consuming 95W where as the Intel runs the same ghz at 50W.
WOW what power savings AMD now i know why you delayed that turd, this way you can release a processor that takes 90% more energy to run at the same clock speed as Intel GREAT JOB!!!!
Newsflash: Hector Ruiz confirms next position. He will take over the position as CEO of Landscaping in the Santa Clara district coincidentally mowing the lawns of once competitor Intel after barcelona's paper launch
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ALL AMD FANBOIS ARE LIARS ESPECIALLY ONE EXPERT
No wonder they call you one retard you cant even read benchmarks correctly
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?tid=842214&tp=AMD-A64X2-6400&rid=842214
Here are the reviews from HKEPC that you are talking about.
E6750 running at 2.66ghz beats 6400+ running at 3.2ghz
Total benchmarks: 43
Benchmarks won by E6750: 22
Benchmarks won by 6400+: 21
----Winner E6750----
Average increase in performance in benchmarks won by E6750: 18.666%
Average increase in performance in benchmarks won by 6400+: 8.056%
----Winner E6750------
Clockspeed difference between E6750 and 6400+: 540Mhz
-----Winner E6750-----
Price for E6750: $212
http://www.pcrush.com/prodspec.asp?ln=1&itemno=108123&refid=1238
Price for 6400+: $220 - $240 WITHOUT HEATSINK!!!
-------Winner E6750-----
Winner of performance, for price, for power consumption E6750
You are a lying sack of shit One expert.
Barcelona delayed again:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41703
AMD is finished.
@giant
My answer..
virtualization
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Congrats AMD!
A new 52 week low. The finanacial markets are obviously overwhelmingly positive about AMD's future.
/sarcasm
Intel is in a disparate struggle to try and maintain a performance lead...
AMD has been in relentless performance pursuit
So now you admit that Intel CPU's are superior to AMD.
BTW, we are all aware of the review you have posted three times now. You can stop with the cut and paste crap. It just makes you lame.
Buy AMD before their "Barcelona" launch.. Prices will go high!!!
Their coming...Intel had best bank all they can for the oncoming slaughter.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135102-page,1/article.html
I doubt intel is very scared considering the only part available in any quantity from AMD is going to be a paltry 1.9ghz running at 95W when intel has been selling those for months with half the power consumption.........
I think barcelona should be released as turd brown edition....
AMD closed below $12 today. Are you still bragging about the $36 margin purchase you made, Sharikou?
One expert says: Intel is in a disparate struggle to try and maintain a performance lead but is losing ground fast to the superior forces of AMD.
Thats a lie Intel has been on top ever since C2D released
AMD has been in relentless performance pursuit chasing intel right out of the semiconductor market.
Thats a partial lie yes AMD has been pursuing Intel in terms of performance but chasing Intel out of the semiconductor industry with Antique K8s is laughable
AMDs release of the 3.2 ghz X2 6400+ has caused intel total humiliation.
Thats a lie 6400+ cant even compete with Intel's fifth best processor
Intel has pinned all its hopes on a 45 nm die shrink to halt the continual erosion of its performance crown but most experts agree it will not be enough to save intel from the superior AMD design technologies.
Thats a lie intel doesnt need 45nm its 65nm core 2 duo already hand AMD its ass on a platter kinda like how i do with you
MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK$$$$$$
Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition Reviewed
Posted by: Chris_Tom on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 04:41 PM
Lies again its not the bang for the buck losing to a cheaper and more efficient processor E6750 in every segment
Anyway, it appears to be about 2% to 12% faster than the 6000+, and it may
just best the E6750,
No it doesnt E6750 wins pretty much hands down.
and gave the E6850 a run for the money besting it in sciencemark 2.0 totally.
No it doesnt sciencemark is the only benchmark that has always favored AMD that it does good in everything else 6400+ looks like garbage in
The amazing X2-6400+ will sell around $220 while its aging competition the e6800 is $1045 and the e6850 is $286 so the X2-6400+ is totally more bang for the buck and it humiliates the aging c2d pentium 3s.
Thats another lie X26400+ competes with a $212 E6750 which comes WITH HEAT SINK and beats the x26400+ in every category you can muster up
AMD has conquered the price performance race with a full fast line of superior cpu products, platforms, and video solutions.
You are a liar once more pulling shit out of your ass without any proof to back it up
Intel is left with only a couple of cpus in the performance race but they are power hungry, very expensive cpus that no one can afford to buy.
As compared to AMD with NO CPUS in the performance race with EVERY CPU that is supposed to perform taking up Twice the power to still be beaten by a more efficient intel
The release of the X2-6400+ along with the quad barcelona has caused the unthinkable actions at intel, they may actually have to update there ancient technology to survive.
LOL you are a lying sack of shit
Intel failed to make the comeback they promised when they released the c2d line up due to old antique designs and bad platforms. Intels promise to crush AMD with the c2d line has backfired and now AMD is crushing intel. Intels reliance on the antique pentium 3 designs appears to be the root cause of the company's eminent demise.
What a bunch of lies can you show me one website which shows AMD's best topping Intel's best in the majority of benchmarks
2 TIMES WINNER OF CUSTOMER CHOICE AWARDS
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail
Customer Choice Award2x Winner of Customer Choice Award - CPUs / Processors
Awards must come cheap nowadays when turds like 6000+ start getting them notice how those awards are customer choice and has nothing to do with performane
AMD continues to provide innovative energy saving cpus and platforms while increasing market share every quarter.
Yes 6400+, 6000+, 4x4, 2900XT all a bunch of late turds Oh the innovation increasing market share by having yard sales they cant pay people to buy their crap so they have to give it away to get market share
It appears AMD will stand alone as the most popular leading semiconductor technology supplier by the end of 2007.
Yes most popular semiconductor industry with less than 20% marketshare what a joke
You can count on AMD, IBM, and VIA to meet your future computing needs with state of the art semiconductors and solutions.
Yep like that 1.9ghz processor which took AMD soo long to come up with what great innovation.
BUY AMD energy saving performance cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
conclusion one expert is a lying sack of shit with nearly all his posts based of lies
AMD stock price trend:AMD Stock
Any questions?
Barcelona how can that help. Its a native quad core, think about it where once one defect / 4 avaiable opeterons would kill 1/2 of dual core for Barcelona all 4 die are dead. With their current ASP and volumes and 65nm Yield AMD will actual make less money on a barcelano wafer then a Opertron Wafer. AMD will be below 10 bucks.
Sure go buy, you are the same sucker that bought at 27, 25, 20, and 15. Go ahead and buy somemore at 12 bucks so you can add more losses to your portoflio. You got any sub-prime lenders you'd like to recommend too?
HAhahahhah if you click on the one year chart on AMD's stock all you see is it going down ever since C2D gets released.
Coming soon barcelona turd brown edition running at the speed of less than celerons at 1.9Ghz to finally put AMD out of their misery.......
Geforce 9 coming in November:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2472&Itemid=34
Of course, we know Penryn is coming in November as well.
What do AMD have? 1.9Ghz Brown Turd edition Barcelona!
AMD is finished.
AMD down to $11.75 already this morning. Following Sharikou's advice would have led one to have less than 1/3 of their investment. Way to go Sharikou - keep up the sound advice.
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Is there an echo in here?
oneexpert said...
FX 74 blows intel quad out of the water.
When the quad-FX first came out it was unfairly benchmarked on xp32 sp2. xp32 is not as NUMA aware (Non-Uniform Memory Access or Non-Uniform Memory Architecture) then the latest operating systems. due to the advance memory architecture of the quad FX this drastically crippled its performance. when properly tested on Vista and or xp64(server2003 core) the score had a dramatic turnaround and ran neck and neck with intels flagship quad core. The FX 74 is excellent for gaming and for DVD encoding the AMD quad-FX wins hands down.. you must run vista64 ultimate or winxp64 or 2003 server os or higher to allow the quad-FX to stretch its legs.
Top 6 Desktop CPUs
From Mark Kyrnin,
Your Guide to PC Hardware / Reviews.
1. AMD Performance - The Athlon 64 FX-74 certainly is much less expensive than the Intel Core 2 Extreme processors, but it does require additional specialized hardware. Unlike the standard AM2 socket design, the FX-74 uses the Socket F design this requiring a different motherboard from the other Athlon 64 processors. It is the fastest one can currently get from AMD though.
According to recent reviews the FX 74 completely outperforms intels quad core when coupled with recent vista 64 bit software.
According to pc hardware reviews the FX74 quad is the number 1 best buy for value and high performance hardware.
AMD schedules to launch two 2-way Opteron (Barcelona) server processors on September 10 this year, according to sources at server makers.
The Opteron 2348 and 2350 will have core frequencies of 1.9GHz and 2.0GHz and will be priced at US$320 and US$390 in 1000-unit tray quantities, respectively. In October, AMD will launch the 2.2GHz Opteron 2354 with 95W TDP and a price of US$610 in 1000-unit tray quantities, however this processor should actually appear in the channel later this month, noted the sources.
The motherboard the FX74 uses is upgradeable to a 8 core with opteron 2300 series (barcelona) which will be 23.75 watts per core.
Just one more case where AMD can be scaled up while intel c2ds can not be scaled at all.
Meanwhile the new AMD X2 6400+ sure puts the intel line up to shame on price and performance.
The AMD X2 6000+ still a two time winner of consumers choice at Newegg, rated best by the buyers and users.
BUY AMD energy saving cpus, platforms, and video solutions.
I know you are sharikou cut the act...........soo much to copy and paste and all of it is garbage
AMD's RD790 chipset to lack RAID 5 support. Another place Intel is supperior to AMD.
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/13050
According to recent reviews, oneexpert likes to molest goats. Local herdsman said oneexpert could molest more goats than Sharikou.
Another recent review found that a 20 year old 286 outperforms all AMD CPUs when using 64 bit workloads.
The latest review shows that posting bullshit with nothing to back it up is really dumb, and that oneretard needs to learn to at least be entertaining which he is failing miserably at.
Oneexpert just copy and pasted that drivel from (of all places!) a newegg customer review!
Here's some real results from TechReport with the stupid NUMA XP issues these AMD fanboys keep bringing up.
When the Quad FX platform first debuted, we were disappointed with its very high peak power consumption and its lack of cheaper, more power-efficient motherboard options. We also had some concerns about whether a NUMA platform was being used optimally in Windows XP. Now, time has passed, Vista has debuted, and we've gotten our hands on a pair of FX-70s, but not enough has changed. We were right to suspect that the lower speed grade Quad FX processors might not have the outrageous peak power consumption of the FX-74s. The FX-70s are much tamer on that front, to the tune of roughly 130W less. But Vista's NUMA-aware kernel hasn't allowed Quad FX to gain much, if any, performance ground on Intel's quad-core processors. And the nice-sounding idea of a pair of FX processors for $599 doesn't truly translate into a good value for a quad-core system.
AMD Denies Reports of Barcelona Ship Date Slippage
Wednesday, Aug 15, 2007, 8:35 P.M.
Reports in The Inquirer and a separate British technology blog citing OEM sources as saying they've been alerted to expect delays in shipments of its new quad-core Barcelona CPUs in all but the 1.9 GHz "HE" lower-power frequencies, were soundly denied this morning to BetaNews by an AMD spokesperson.
"As per our previous guidance," the spokesperson commented, "production on the 2.0 GHz parts has started, and we are on track to ship them for revenue this month." The official retail release date for Barcelona processors remains September 10, when customers are advised to expect standard edition processors at 2.0 GHz and low-power editions at 1.9 GHz. This corresponds with initial release dates announced in June and confirmed in early July.
The British blog also mentioned the Taiwanese industry daily DigiTimes as a source for its delay news, though in recent months, its track record for predicting delays based on statements by its motherboard manufacturing sources, has been mediocre if not poor.
So much for the credibility of Digitimes & some posters who i won't name.
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oneexpert
" BUY AMD energy saving cpus, platforms, and video solutions. "
You mean 2x FX74+2900xt CF? Sure, that'll save the planet.
"IBM supercomputer to predict Olympic weather"
Opteron not good enough for such tasks?
"ONCE AGAIN SOI TECHNOLOGY BULL DOZES intel."
Using local terminology, it also frags AMD SOI.
"Meanwhile the new AMD X2 6400+ sure puts the intel line up to shame on price and performance."
Add $20-30 to the price and you can get quadcore for that money.
"The AMD X2 6000+ still a two time winner of consumers choice at Newegg, rated best by the buyers and users."
That's what you get when you flood the market by selling CPUs at loss.
"BUY AMD super SOI technology cpus, platforms and video solutions."
I'd take one SoI GPU. No, make it two.
Forgot to ask, where can I buy that 6400+? Certainly not from Newegg
Oneretard,
How about I buy those IBM products you keep posting about?
Oh, Wait, I already do, since my company runs on IBM p-series servers...Along with Intel Windows servers.
Of course, this has nothing to do with AMD, but whatever...
Looks like Barrons called it correctly when they put a price target of $10 on AMD.
AMD among the lowest rated stocks on the S&P 500:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=a90pFyaKxXBs
BMO initiats coverage at "Underperform", sets price target of $10
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=anPVRkJ9373c
Sure doesn't look like the money men have any faith in those 6400+ or Barcelona cpu's.
The best quad core cpu you can buy just got better:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3066&p=5
And entire Intel quad core computer uses less pwer than a single AMD video card.
Hahaha..I just read that's with an 8800GTX!
So, the Intel system even has a better video card in it!!
Another day, another 52 week low.
What's new Hector?
Just installed the Windows Home Server build 3790 today. Using it now. Renders pages really fast with my "dual" socket Opteron 144 Msi M/B.
You need dual opteron for web browsing?
please..ask something intelligent.
BUY AMD
Support a company down on its luck lost billions, bilions in debt, shipped manufacturing overseas, relies on subsidise to build manufacturing, reliese on others to do R&D as they are too incompetent to do it themselves, crappy products that they have to sell at garge sale prices, new products late, new product slow, no viable financials to continue the technology treadmill, run by an ex leader of another failed semiconductor company, leader who's only strategic initiative is to sue his competitor.
Yes buy AMD so they can continue to limp along. Maybe they can win a lawsuite against INTEL and win a few hundred million dollars. That won't even pay the interest on their multi-billion dollar debt.
You AMD cock suckers are like people I knew in the 70's buying AMC products. Beer drinking idiots with double digit IQs who couldn't figure out they were eating shit because they were told it was candy.
Oneexpert you are about as expert as said PhD, keep up the good posts. Every one of your dribbles prove you a match for the "Ph"ony "D"octorate. You sure you aren't really Sharikou himself trying to drive more activity. The "Ph"ony "D"octorate hasn't had much to spew lately.
AMD's only hope for its shit eating fans is the same as AMC to get bought out. It won't change the fact they like AMC will still be putting crap out. I still laugh at the fools who buy Jeeps on image thinking they are getting quality.
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