Friday, July 27, 2007

INTEL guilty

EU found Intel guilty.

Some Intelers here say Intel is innocent until proven guilty. But it is the other way around in this case. EU has already done years of investigation and basically nailed Intel. It's not like Intel will get a jury. All Intel will get is a judge and summary judgment. They do that in U.S. too, no genuine issue of material fact and Intel is found guilty as a matter of law. Those EU charges are hard facts backed up by hard evidence-- and there is no jury, just a judge applying the rules and checking sentencing guidelines.

AMD's K10 running at 3GHZ.

192 Comments:

Blogger Ho Ho said...

... sucking power from 1200W PSU

1:07 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger DrPizza said...

Is sharikou really that ignorant of the legal system in the EU?

Intel haven't been found guilty of anything.

Wake me when AMD actually starts shipping 3 GHz Phenoms.

3:38 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Chee Keong said...

DrPizza said...

Is sharikou really that ignorant of the legal system in the EU?


May be it is right in Sharikou's context? In his country, someone is guilty until he proves that he isn't? :)

5:48 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

That's quite a story, Enrique. I like stories. I like stories about pinatas. In fact, I like everything you have to say.

6:14 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

We can now say that the Doctor lives in China.

The broken english, combined with the fact that where he lives you are presumed gulity, pretty much points it out.

6:36 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

You see, Sharikou's day job is part of Kim Jong Il's propoganda ministry. In North Korea, when then the 'Dear Leader' says you are guilty, there's no need for a trial or anything else, they just execute you or send you to the GULAG.

Now this propoganda experience is very useful. Sharikou can take any bit of information and twist it out of proportion to fit his preconceived notions. And sometimes he literally just makes stuff up. Hey, when your day jot is to tell millions of starving North Koreans that Kim is some kind of living God, being an AMD fanboy is actually pretty easy!

6:40 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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7:10 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

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7:16 AM, July 27, 2007  
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7:19 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

And the answer is; Bubba is a babbling idiot or a educated derelict. Period. But oh i forgot he is the only smart derelict in here.

7:22 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

ble show mw specint_rate or something else for example encoding or gaming, everyone and there dog knows that even K8 beats C2D in specfp_rate, cause of its memory bandwidth advantage.

But i really hope amd is competitive with barcelona.

7:35 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Aguia said...

EU charges Intel with monopoly abuse for blocking AMD's access to customers

Something wrong here.
What about the other companies, ATI, NVIDIA, VIA, SIS, ULI, S3, ...
That didn’t make business because of Intel illegal practices?

Yes because DELL, HP, SONY, ... didn’t got bad out of those illegal practices because some how they got beneficiated in the end. If they didn’t, they would be the first to point the finger to Intel.

And if Intel is indeed charge guilty where the money* goes?
-To the UE?
-To the companies that got leased.
-Used to help support other companies...

*I’m assuming the charge will be some amount of money.

7:39 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

onemoron said

One of the most interesting demonstrations was of AMD’s new Phenom FX platform running at 3GHz.

Which was running in a different room, and nobody was allowed to see in person. AMD handed out photos and screenshots of a 3Ghz quad core, which I've been able to buy from Intel for a year.

In AMD’s demo running the SPEC floating point benchmark, the Barcelona chip was scoring 69.5, while the Intel chip was at 54. So AMD claims a 25 percent performance advantage

So they compared the top of the line AMD cpu to a middle of the line Intel. Why not compare their best to Intel's best?

Also, it's funny how the current Opteron compares about the same to Xeon in spec_fp, but yet gets smacked silly in real world operation. Unless your business generates it's revenue by running spec benchmarks all day.

INTELS quad q6600 & q6700 uses 130 watts.

Clueless about TDP versus power consumtion aren't you?

Did you notice your beloved Phenon system needed a 1200 watt power supply?

Intel demonstrated there Q3 strategy by laying off 1000 plus workers in NM

Unlike the 1000 AMD has laid off?

Intel Corp. SVP Patrick P Gelsinger Sold 6,500 Shares With Price Range $24.78 ~ $24.8 on 07/24

Imagine that, somebody who recieves stock based compensation sold some for the money! How dare he want to spend some of his earnings.

What's your take on the 198,000 shares of stock he is still holding?

What's your take on the 100,000 shares Morton Topfer of AMD sold on the same day?

Pat sold none of his holdings, just the options he exercised.

Morton sold 40% of his holdings.

Looks like Morton is bailing out of the sinking ship.

BUY AMD energy sving cpus and platforms and help save our planet.

Buy AMD systems that require a wall of fans to suck the thousands of watts of heat they produce from the case.

Keep this up and you may win the life time acheivement award.

7:58 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ycon said...

Barcy @ 3 GHz = 300W less that your PSU has left = slow = Pinocchio 4 president = woohoo Im good

8:00 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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8:00 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Aguia said...

I forgot transmeta.

8:08 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

WTF onemoron?!?

You deleted your post and then posted the exact same thing?!?

OMG, you are beyond comprehension.

8:23 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

Wonder why I say the same stupid comment for every post? It's because every damned post Sharikou makes is the same stupid rubbish. I'd feel guilty if I actually dignified his post with an educated response.

8:29 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

only moron,
I'm still waiting for you to tell me about the US antitrust case against Intel.

8:30 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

oneexpert
"In AMD’s demo running the SPEC floating point benchmark, the Barcelona chip was scoring 69.5, while the Intel chip was at 54."

And 2GHz 2P K8 box got over 77 points. AMD beats its own newer CPUs with its older ones and needs only half the cores for it!

8:34 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Dang it, I made the same mistake twice today. I meant to post this instead. Basically K10 at same clock speed and double the cores is only 70% faster than K10. That seems to mean that either something is very wrong or K10 is slower than K8 per-core on SpecFP

8:37 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

Barcelona and Xeon Face off
Video

8:39 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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8:39 AM, July 27, 2007  
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8:52 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@bubba

US AMD case Idiot!

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/
DownloadableAssets/
AMD-Intel_Full_Complaint.pdf

8:57 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

So, AMD can't win on the CPU performance front, can't win on the power front, can't win on the 45um front...

So per most whiney American companies than can't hack it... they sue.


Then we have morons like oneexpert going from his
AMD is bestest (proven wrong of course) to
AMD is bestest power saver (proven wrong of course) now its to
OMG! Intel is teh EVAL! and AMD is suing them.

9:08 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

only moron.

That's an AMD civil suit, not a US criminal case, you fool.

9:12 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

onemorom,
Really working up those cut and paste skills there, aren't you?

Do you have enough brain cells for an original thought?

9:15 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@bubba

show where i said in any of my post it was a criminal suit!!!

FOOL!!!

9:17 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

show where i said in any of my post it was a criminal suit!!!

Sigh...

"Brussels, S.Korea, Japan, US, EU all bringing charges against intel or most already filed."

Right there you said the US is bringing charges against Intel.

Again, and please, please, try to get this into whatever brain cells you have left - Intel has never been found guilty of illegal monopolistic practices.

BTW, if you're going to insult somebody, please try to use something new. Calling me a fool in caps makes you look very, very pathetic.

9:27 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

On the other hand, this is an example of a criminal case by the US against AMD:

http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-6140041.html

9:32 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

INTELS quad q6600 & q6700 uses 130 watts.

Try 95W. (105W on the old Q6600 stepping) AMD's competitor to the excellent Q6x00 series is the abysmal 4x4 platform. 2 CPUs at 125W each! Tell me oneexpert, would you rather a 95W TDP for four processing cores or 250W?

9:39 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Only_amd & one_retard: So what I've basically seen from you is:
1. You aren't even bragging about the Phenom demo (well... sort of demo it was more staged than anything I've seen in a long time). Not much faith in AMD eh?
2. You are actually more obsessed with seeing Intel destroyed for some reason... not that these suits are going to do that. You do realize that the EU even if it finds Intel guilty will most likely just require it to change its rebate schemes right? Sharikou might be fantasizing about some gigantic fine but that is not going to actually happen... Oh and one more thing: Even if the fine happened, the EU would not give a penny to AMD, you have to be a really delusional fanboy to think that.

So what can I conclude:
1. You really don't like AMD that much, since you advocate AMD doing stupid practices that will drive them out of business. I'm talking about you Sharikou with your 'sell anything at $20 and get 1% market share, it doesn't matter how much money you lose!' That goes double for you one_expert.

2. You hate Intel for some unknown reason... what it's just a company that sells chips, save your hate for something else.

3. At least in the case of one_expert, even though you hate Intel you also (claim) to have bought more Intel CPUs in the last 12 months than I have in the last 10 years.... and I'm supposedly an Intel fanboy? One_retard's story changes every time he makes a post. He has simultaneously owned and benchmarked every Intel CPU ever made, never bought an Intel CPU, bought them and sold them off (hey moron, Intel still got the $$), Bought them and then kept them in a drawer so he could claim they were not made in the US even though they were (this comment came after he said he sold them), bought only AMD cpus, bought only Via CPUs since he claims AMD is too powerful, and of course drooled over IBM power chips that have no bearing on the PC market or even 95% of the server market since they are only for extremely high-end multi-million dollar systems.
Even though one_retard screams the same unintelligent diatribe over and over again via copy & paste, he actually refused to let me buy him a BE-2350 system... a supposed AMD fan does not even want AMD's products! All he had to do in exchange was get rid of the e6600 that he claims to have bought, sold, kept in a drawer, never used ever, and also done super-detailed power benchmarks on... all at the same time. Maybe one_expert could join Sharikou at the North Korean information ministry?
Hell, for all I know.. one_expert is Sharikou! I mean, neither one of them speaks English well or has any grasp on logic, so it's definitely possible.

9:46 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

omg lol this blog makes me laugh every time i visit ist, to bad sharika doesnt post anymone. :(

9:49 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

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9:50 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

hahaha Chuckula, i exactly thought the same oneexpter=sharikou. it has to be

9:53 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@bubba & chucky

save typing

please get yourself a job & stop setting in front of your computer all day waiting to trash someone. I can tell by your comments you are a very troubled & miserable person/s. Get a life. With a name like "bubba" "chuckula" which isn't original speaks to me of being a (plumper/s) who have a 100x magnifying glass trying to find something he hasn't seen in 30 yrs or more. Get into counseling you desperately need it! People don't respond to you in a positive way because of your rants & lack of understanding of fellow humans who also have a "right" to their opinions whether you agree or not.

9:54 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

onemoron,
I'm still looking for why you think Topfer sold 40% - 100,000 shares - of AMD stock on 7/24?

Right before AMD's stock price plumeted over 10%. What do you think he knows?

9:58 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

yeah like a guy with the name "only amd" is a fountain of intelligence, posting wisdom and level headedness.

What a fuckwit.

10:02 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

only moron,

You can trust me that I'm very gainfully employed, that's how I can take five weeks off work to join my wife for the Tour.

You know what's really funny?

My wife works for Team Discovery. I've been in France and Spain for the last three weeks on AMD's dime, and I've even been posting from an AMD notebook.

She should be back to the hotel in about an hour, then I'll be leaving you to stew in your ignorance for a while.

BTW, how's that South Korean antitrust suit against Intel going?

10:08 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

only amd and oneexpert, can you please analyze the specFP_rate benchmark I linked to? It seems to show that K10 has less IPC than K8 did as performance doesn't even double when going from dualcores to quadcores. What is your oppinion of that?

10:22 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

The PhD proves again why he is a "Ph"ony "D"octorate.

The EU is going to pursue trying to charge INTEL. Sharikou must come from some dicatorship where you are guilty when charged.. what a moron.

By they way how did those charges against Microsoft and Apple go in the EU..

LOL..

By the time this works its way thru the appeals court AMD will be BK.

Where is Barcelona.. at 2 Ghz. Where are the benchmarks.. nowhere because they suck

Oh.. yes AMD demostrated a 3 GHZ screen shot, not one application running wonder why.. No benchmarks.. wonder why..

LOL because unlike INTELs product not stable and crappy benchmarks..

But we remember Hector doesn't care about benchmarks, making money, have a business plan...

Only if he can sue someone... what a leader!!


AMD is finished

10:47 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

What is your oppinion of that?

Pat Gelsinger said it perfectly. "With regards to Barcelona, we simply view it as amd's attempt to catch up. It's just simply too little too late when compared with Penryn."

For all those impressed by the awesome power a 3Ghz quad core CPU can provide, why not buy one now?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3241533&Sku=CP1-DUO-QX6850&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&CMP=OTC-GOOGLEBASE

If that's out of your price range, there is always the Q6600 for $266. Overclock the FSB to 133mhz and you have a 3Ghz quad core CPU. That's an easy overclock that you can do with even just the stock Intel fan.

I agree with lex, AMD is finished. AMD BK Q2'08.

11:37 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger AndyW35 said...

evil merlin says

"So per most whiney American companies than can't hack it... they sue."

Do a searh for INTEL SUES on Google. 2.2m pages found so I think you ought to not pursue this argument further.

As for the European Union finding this then it does not surprise me, they have nothing better to do and of course AMD has a large part of Europe under it's FAB.

11:41 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Typo: 133 should certainly be 1333 in my post above.

AMD BK Q2'08.

11:45 AM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

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12:17 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Um, except for Intel is suing because of:

1.) People using the Intel name
2.) People using non-licensed Intel technology.

Find me someone Intel is suing because they can't compete.

Try again.

12:38 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Aguia said...

Intel BAD 31.100.000
AMD BAD 2.780.000

So ho ho and AndyW35, by your logic Intel must be really bad, no?

12:44 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger funnyguy said...

Hornet331 said...
hahaha Chuckula, i exactly thought the same oneexpter=sharikou. it has to be

don't forget sharikou's other alias, penix. he even post as anonymous several times...

funnyguy

2:50 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Intel should make a very long list of everything they can sue AMD for, then go ahead and mass sue them. The massive legal fess will accelerate AMD's BK.

As soon as someone buys them out or they file for BK it's over for AMD: Intel will cut the x86 license per the terms of the agreement.

$1.5bn in cash, losing $600m a quarter. AMD is already up to it's neck in debt. What are they going to do, take on more debt?!

Intel has done nothing wrong, it seems the EU wants to punish any successful company these days. Apple does well in MP3 players; they're sued by the EU.

7:10 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I can see Henri Richard or Hector Ruiz complaining like spoiled children to the EU:

"Intel is acting illegaly! They released quad core CPUs quarters before we have, and they have pre-fragged our own quad core CPUs! We can't compete with Intel! Clearly, they MUST be a monopoly!"

It seems Nvidia is doing well in graphics now. It's only a while now before Hector and Henri start whining about that to the EU. "Nvidia's products are just simply too fast! Clearly, they are a monopoly!"

AMD whines about Intel's 'unethical behaviour' when they themselves were found FOUR times doing the same sort of thing. Simulated benchmarks anyone?! Then at AMD's analyst day they show the fastest Barcelona they can make against a 2.33Ghz Clovertown. Last time I checked Clovertown went up to 3Ghz!

The quicker Intel finishes off AMD the better. Then we won't need to listen to Hector Ruiz and Henri Richard whine like spoiled brats.

AMD BK Q2'08!

7:18 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger tech4life said...

Giant said

...Intel has done nothing wrong, it seems the EU wants to punish any successful company these days. Apple does well in MP3 players; they're sued by the EU.


Ever hear of the expression "Where there's smoke there's fire"? If AMD didn't have any evidence of wrongdoing on Intel's part then their case would have been thrown out. If Japan thought that Intel had done nothing wrong then why did their investigation into Intel's businsess practices result in an ultimatum to Intel to stop their illegal activities or else? If the EU thought that Intel had done nothing wrong then why are they charging them with anti-competitive, monopolistic practices?

If Intel is so freaking innocent then why are they being investigated all over the globe? Is it a world conspiracy? Is everyone out to get Intel? Or did Intel do something wrong? I think the answer is obvious.

8:14 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

Ho Ho -
"I meant to post this instead. Basically K10 at same clock speed and double the cores is only 70% faster than K10. That seems to mean that either something is very wrong or K10 is slower than K8 per-core on SpecFP"

I have to say you are pathetic. You spread FUDs all over the places like dogs spreading pees. How can you compare a pre-release test with a SPEC submission of a mature product, when these two may have used different compilers and OSes?

Besides, how can you claim that K10 have problem when quad-core Xeon is just 50% faster than its dual-core counterpart? Note here it's only going from 2 to 4; expect the performance increase to be less going from 4 cores to 8. You must also conclude there are serious problems in Core 2, don't you?

Your comment on Scientia's blog that K10 lacks memory bandwidth yet again shows you know nothing about performance. The problem is not bandwidth, but delay. Even when (and it is) bandwidth is more than enough, having 2x number of users (cores) will increase average (memory access) queuing delay. Note that each core in K10 has the same L2+L3 cache size as K8, thus memory access latency is not helped by cache size when all cores are utilized. But this is only because there are more than twice as much computations waiting to be served.

Still this 1.7x scaling is much better than Core 2, which scales just 1.5x or less.

9:05 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

tech4life said...

Ever hear of the expression "Where there's smoke there's fire"? If AMD didn't have any evidence of wrongdoing on Intel's part then their case would have been thrown out. If Japan thought that Intel had done nothing wrong then why did their investigation into Intel's businsess practices result in an ultimatum to Intel to stop their illegal activities or else? If the EU thought that Intel had done nothing wrong then why are they charging them with anti-competitive, monopolistic practices?

If Intel is so freaking innocent then why are they being investigated all over the globe? Is it a world conspiracy? Is everyone out to get Intel? Or did Intel do something wrong? I think the answer is obvious.


So, if you were sued for murder then you must be a murderer? which country you come from?

read the EU case carefully, Their regulators were sort of divided in determining whether the rebate and discount given by Intel are a violation of their antitrust law, which now only they think that Intel is. Intel still can prove that it isn't.

Some said Islam is bad, then you think that Islam is bad? Some said US/China is bad, then you think that US/China is bad? Use your brain.

9:13 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

Abinstein
Still this 1.7x scaling is much better than Core 2, which scales just 1.5x or less.

How much of that scaling difference between Intel and AMD is due to platform/bandwidth/delay?

Is it possible that if Intel does use the 1600FSB that some of the scaling issues could be resolved by increasing the bandwidth?

I ask because looking at SPECint, Intel is able to achieve 1.65% scaling. Is that because SPECint is not bandwidth intensive?

Thanks

11:09 PM, July 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

abinstein
"Still this 1.7x scaling is much better than Core 2, which scales just 1.5x or less."

Remember, we are talking about scaling to a far better architecture. How well does Intel scale from 2P 2.66GHz dualcore to 2.66GHz quadcore?

1:44 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Obviously I was thinking 2P Netburst vs 2P Clowertown

1:46 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

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7:42 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

#1 Shareholders file expanded Dell lawsuit, attack Intel rebates.
The lawsuit further alleges that Intel insisted Dell not disclose the existence of the rebate payments in the computer maker's SEC filings or to Wall Street for fear it would come under scrutiny with antitrust regulators.
Dell allegedly received roughly $1 billion a year from the rebates, which accounted for approximately 10 percent of its gross profits, the lawsuit claims.

Dell declined to comment on Friday, citing the pending litigation.

Intel's rebate program has been the subject of antitrust action in Japan and is under investigation in Europe, as well as in Korea with the Korean Fair Trade Commission.

#2
"Intel secretly paid very large end-of-quarter cash rebates to PC MISREPRESENTATION OF PENTIUM 4 MICROPROCESSORS

In March 2004, Girard Gibbs filed a class action lawsuit in the Superior Court of the State of California against Intel Corporation and Hewlett-Packard Company on behalf of a nationwide class of consumers who purchased or leased a Pentium 4 microprocessor or a computer containing a Pentium 4 microprocessor with clock speeds ranging from 1.3 to 1.8 gigahertz.

This lawsuit alleges that Intel released the Pentium 4 prematurely, and that Intel and HP marketed the Pentium 4 to create the impression that the Pentium 4 outperformed the latest Pentium III, when they knew it did not. The lawsuit further alleges that Intel and HP exploited consumers’ reasonable expectation that the Pentium 4 would outperform the cheaper Pentium III by charging premium prices for the Pentium 4.

We are currently gathering evidence from consumers and from Intel for the purpose of filing a motion for an order certifying the class. This motion, if granted, would allow this case to proceed on behalf of everyone who meets the class definition described above.(manufacturers), like Dell, that purchased all or virtually all of their microprocessor/chip requirements from Intel," the amended lawsuit states. "These rebates, which were, in fact, kickbacks, were not traditional volume-based discounts and the monies paid were separate and apart from and in addition to certain publicly known, co-marketing funds which Intel made available to certain of its customers to assist in product advertising."

The list goes on & on of corruption.

8:01 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Great article for all to read of AMD's new roadmap.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/
showdoc.aspx?i=3050

Who used to be a intel pumper.

8:44 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I think it's clear that AMD is being driven in to the ground. It's all due to the incompetence of Hector Ruiz. He drove Motorola's CPU business into the ground, he's doing it again at AMD.

8:46 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Lets set the record straight, shall we? When a site like Hexus, Anandtech or Toms hardware post pro Intel stuff they're 'paid Intel pumpers' but when they post pro-AMD material they're fair and open minded?

Make up your mind!

We can easily sumarise AMD's roadmap: They launch Barcelona, it's prefragged by Clovertown.

AMD finally gets Barcelona to 2.3Ghz or so then Penryn hits and it's game over for AMD.

During this time AMD continues to post losses of ~600m each quarter.

Around this same time Nvidia will launch the Geforce 9, doubling the performance of the 8800 Ultra. We all know that the 8800 Ultra totally frags anything AMD can make.

AMD BK Q2'08.

8:50 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Fab36 running
Fab30 being retooled
TSMC possible as a partner
Chartered possible as a partner
Plant in NY possible new Fab

Looks like a steady & cautious business plan laid out for the future.

8:56 AM, July 28, 2007  
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9:14 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I almost forget about fabs. It's well known that by the time AMD gets around to getting it's 45nm process technology going Intel will have four 45nm fabs rolling out the CPUs.

It's also important to remember that AMD's 45nm process, as confirmed by AMD themselves, is not a high-k process. In other words, the leakage that is plaguing AMD's 65nm process (This is why K8 maxes out at 2.6Ghz on 65nm, yet goes to 3Ghz and soon 3.2Ghz at 90nm) will continue to effect them at 45nm.

Pat Gelsinger confirmed that the high-k process is the key. A reduction in leakage by a factor of 10.

When Intel boasted they were years ahead of everyone else with 45nm high-k they weren't kidding.

9:16 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Cray and AMD!

This has been a puzzlement to me concerning Cray's long wait for the Barcelona chips from AMD. Is this still an on going project or has AMD provided them with the cpus?

9:43 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

only moron,
Doing a Google search and copy pasting every lawsuit article involing Intel is pretty lame.

Get an education, and you can see how mwny lawsuits are pending against you beloved AMD.

Oh, BTW, did you see that S&P is keeping a negative out on AMD financials, and is threatening to downgrade them further? Do you have any idea what happens to AMD if that occurs? Read some of their loan agreements for an education.

10:42 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

So, AMD is already back pedaling on their financials, saying break even by Q4 is a desire, and not a plan.

Did anybody else notice that the FASN8 platform disapeared from the Analysts presentations? Is it going to be a year late also?

What about DTX, is there more than one board?

Can't this company produce anything new?

10:49 AM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Tsk Tsk Tsk plumper!!!

1:43 PM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Straight from the "plumpers" mouth.

My wife works for Team Discovery. I've been in France and Spain for the last three weeks on AMD's dime, and I've even been posting from an AMD notebook.

On vacation reading this blog!! This guy is a complete turd who has to post in the blog he pretends to hates. Must be in need of friends to communicate with.
How insane can you be!

Oh, forgot to mention, i was in Paris/England in 91 you're 16 yrs late to the party.

7:32 PM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

only amd knows that AMD can't compete with Intel so he resorts to criticising the Intel users that post here?

Pathetic.

8:31 PM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Good Morning only moron.

You're getting better with the insults, calling me a turd was good. But then you lost it when you resorted to calling me a plumper.

Let's keep it original, okay?

BTW, just to make you happy, I'm posting the from an Intel system, okay?

Too bad blogger doesn't let you post pictures, my wife met Lance Armstrong before the team dinner last night.

8:51 PM, July 28, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

I'm on Team Discovery too.

Your wife was offering the whole team her services, but the penis between her legs, her ugly face and the press on tits scared us all away.

How much did you have to drink to marry a tranny with a face like that?

Dude you've been making some really bad decisions your whole life it seems.

12:04 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger tech4life said...

Pointer said
So, if you were sued for murder then you must be a murderer? which country you come from?


If three independent, non-related witnesses say they saw me commit murder then chances are I'm going to jail for a very long time assuming I don't get the death sentence.

Some said Islam is bad, then you think that Islam is bad? Some said US/China is bad, then you think that US/China is bad? Use your brain.

Your examples demonstrate the exercise of OPINION. Anyone can say anything about whatever they want. In the case of Intel we are talking about world governments saying that Intel has broken LAWS. Its not an opinion, it's fact backed up with EVIDENCE. Why is this so hard to understand? Did you people flunk out of elementary school or something?

I'm starting to believe that poll that said that AMD customers tend to be more intelligent than Intel customers (and their fanboys). Intel fanatics really need a good dose of logic. They are in denial that their wonderful company could have done something wrong. Take the blinders off and join the rest of the human race.

1:17 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

tech4life.

You know I feel the same way about AMD Fanboi's except, this whole blog shows that they are about as intelligent as a lump of dried dog shit left in the park.

Between shifting goal posts, posting only the AMD positive parts of AMD's official numbers, and the general blindness in admitting that Intel's offerings are superior to what AMD offers currently only further reinforces that opinion, and turns it into fact.


Hundreds of independent reviewers find Sharikou to be a fucking moron.

Thus it must be a fact.

Which makes his fanboi rah-rah's only more so.

2:28 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Ego - The False Center
From Beyond the Frontier of the Mind by Osho

The first thing to be understood is what ego is. A child is born. A child is born without any knowledge, any consciousness of his own self. And when a child is born the first thing he becomes aware of is not himself; the first thing he becomes aware of is the other. It is natural, because the eyes open outwards, the hands touch others, the ears listen to others, the tongue tastes food and the nose smells the outside. All these senses open outwards.

That is what birth means. Birth means coming into this world, the world of the outside. So when a child is born, he is born into this world. He opens his eyes, sees others. 'Other' means the thou. He becomes aware of the mother first. Then, by and by, he becomes aware of his own body. That too is the other, that too belongs to the world. He is hungry and he feels the body; his need is satisfied, he forgets the body.

This is how a child grows. First he becomes aware of you, thou, other, and then by and by, in contrast to you, thou, he becomes aware of himself.

This awareness is a reflected awareness. He is not aware of who he is. He is simply aware of the mother and what she thinks about him. If she smiles, if she appreciates the child, if she says, "You are beautiful," if she hugs and kisses him, the child feels good about himself. Now an ego is born.

Through appreciation, love, care, he feels he is good, he feels he is valuable, he feels he has some significance.

A center is born.

But this center is a reflected center. It is not his real being. He does not know who he is; he simply knows what others think about him. And this is the ego: the reflection, what others think. If nobody thinks that he is of any use, nobody appreciates him, nobody smiles, then too an ego is born: an ill ego; sad, rejected, like a wound; feeling inferior, worthless. This too is the ego. This too is a reflection.

2:54 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Lance Armstrong!! Old news get a life!

3:07 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

tech4life said...
...
Your examples demonstrate the exercise of OPINION. Anyone can say anything about whatever they want. In the case of Intel we are talking about world governments saying that Intel has broken LAWS. Its not an opinion, it's fact backed up with EVIDENCE. Why is this so hard to understand? Did you people flunk out of elementary school or something?


Those so called opinions are back by statements too (terrorist cases, human right cases, wars of invasion), and so, do it make it right? You do not know this? Do you stay in a cave or what? nonetheless, i do not agree on the Islam/US/China generalized statement anyway.

The reason I quoted those are because something are arguable, in such you need to debate to see is it right or wrong. The EU regulators took years to decide whether Intel is breaking their law or not. Read the case, there were some said Intel didn't, and some said Intel did. Yes, Intel might did somethings in the gray area where it thinks that it is white, while EU now thinks that it is black. It is arguable.


I'm starting to believe that poll that said that AMD customers tend to be more intelligent than Intel customers (and their fanboys). Intel fanatics really need a good dose of logic. They are in denial that their wonderful company could have done something wrong. Take the blinders off and join the rest of the human race.


yeah, very good statement, a direct reflection of your intelligence.

6:33 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Although I don't know much about law, I do know enough to find two very large distinctions between Intel's problems and Microsoft's.

For those who say this is similar to Microsoft's monopoly problems and tend to indicate that Intel will get away as easily as Microsoft has, allow me to to point a few things out.

1. Microsoft was proven a monopoly... but no evidence of 'abuse of power' was put on the table.

Intel on the other hand has 6 years of investigations compiled against them. The EU clearly said that they can prove 'abuse of power'.

2. Microsoft had not been ruled a monopoly by other continents/nations.

Intel has investigations currently ongoing in many countries and the Japanese government has shown evidence that Intel has abused its power. The EU officials has now shown proof that Intel has abused its power. Soon, the U.S. will show that Intel has abused its power.

The DELL lawsuit will soon show that Intel violated laws and abused its power.

These are serious allegations... ans some serious proof!

3. The republicans have much to gain from political donations. Even before the elections, it was known that if the Democrats were elected, Microsoft would be in trouble. If the republicans were elected Microsoft would be let go. If you watched the stock market that year, when the R were leading, Microsoft stocks shot up and when the D took a lead, Microsoft stocks shot down. We all know who won!

Besides, the U.S. has much to loose if they split up MS into two or more companies.

Now, as for Intel, the Republicans can't help them in Europe or Japan. Also, Europe don't give a damn about U.S. sentiments and U.S. pride about a 'home grown company'!

So all in all, I beg to differ that this is similar to Microsoft's problems.

9:02 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Many of you seem to say that Intel is not guilty until proven so?

Everywhere I read, such as this article, they seems to indicate that this ruling is final and the EU will be handing down punitive damages/fines soon:


The company [Intel] has 10 weeks to respond before the EU's executive arm makes a final decision that could fine Intel up to 10 per cent of global revenue for each year it broke the law. Its sales last year were $36 billion (U.S.).


Now if this is the case, in about three months we might find out if Intel is fined a potential $ 10.841 Billion.

Revenues (by year):

2006: $ 35.382 Billion
2005: $ 38.826 Billion
2004: $ 34.209 Billion

Why do some of you think that this will be going to court?

10:30 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Why do some of you think that this will be going to court?

"A Statement of Objections is a procedural document whereby the European Commission communicates its preliminary view in relation to a possible infringement of EU competition law and allows the addressee to present arguments in response. A Statement of Objections does not prejudge the European Commission's final decision, which is subject to appeal to the European courts"


How's that?

11:41 PM, July 29, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

That's quite a story, Enrique. I like stories. I like stories about pinatas. In fact, I like everything you have to say.

5:05 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Tick Tock Tick Tock
9 weeks & counting!!

Guilty

7:07 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

oneexpert

Whats your take on this review?

Despite the hopes of some optimists, the Athlon X2 BE-2350 hasn't become the "killer" of low-end Core 2 Duo models. It just "gave a little beating" to the Pentium E2140 (in overall average score) and was glaringly close on the heels of the Pentium E2160. Its power consumption is higher than that of low-end Core 2 Duo parts, although it is significantly less than that of the regular Athlon 64 X2. As a result, it is reasonable to say not that AMD has "caught up with" Intel, but rather that it has significantly reduced the distance in the mid-range to entry-level performance segment.

Have fun.

7:49 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Louis said...

Hector Ruiz hall of shame!

http://www.friendbuddypals.com/wall_of_shame/hector_ruiz.php

8:26 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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9:45 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Aguia said...

enumae and oneexpert,

I stop reading that review as soon I got here:
Supposed power consumption

10:06 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Scott said...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4610/yeahright2hc4.jpg

10:38 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

Aguia
I stop reading that review as soon I got here...

Thanks, I see that now.

It seems it could be based on manufacturer's specs, but that doesn't explain why Intel's chips are so far below 65W, and I am not having any luck sending an email to the people who wrote the article for clarification.

10:39 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Aguia said...

Well one thing is for sure enumae,
comparing the same CPUs in that article to Toms,

AMD consumes “a lot” more.
Intel “a lot” less.

11:12 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger enumae said...

Aguia

Which article, could you point me to it?

Thanks

11:25 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

When the same site does a pro-Intel review, its Intel pumping.

When it does a pro-AMD review, its the word of god.

Do us all a favour oneexpert, kill yourself.

Oh wait, I've figured it out. YOU are only amd's transexual life partner! That explains it all.

So I only have one question for the two of you, who is the catcher and who is the pitcher?

11:41 AM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Finished reading AMDs' civil action suit (again) against Intel.
The issues quoted from AMD & especially from Gateways CEO,will be brought to light in the (jury trial) disgusting how a company can hold its head up in a business culture without shame, pretending they did nothing wrong. It not only hurt AMD, but the millions of customers who bought the inferior chips from 2002 on date. Imagine how the consumers felt as some have come to read this civil suit & found out they bought inferior chips. Lets be honest in our assessment & answers to this. We all know when AMD introduced the Athlon to the Opteron they had a superior chip hands down. Intelers may not admit this as a fact but that doesn't take from the truth. If we had not AMD imagine the cost of Intel cpus or all chips for that matter.

139. Intel’s conduct has caused and will continue to cause injury to the relevant market
in the form of higher prices and reduced competition, innovation and consumer choice.

141. California Business & Professions Code § 17045 provides in pertinent part:

17045. The secret payment or allowance of rebates, refunds,
commissions, or unearned discounts, whether in the form of money
or otherwise, or secretly extending to certain purchasers special
services or privileges not extended to all purchasers purchasing
upon like terms and conditions, to the injury of a competitor and
where such payment or allowance tends to destroy competition, is
unlawful.

12:42 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@bubba/evil_merlin/chucky

Try to post something intelligent!!

Just for recaps to remind you of your status in the world!

I'm starting to believe that poll that said that AMD customers tend to be more intelligent than Intel customers (and their fanboys). Intel fanatics really need a good dose of logic. They are in denial that their wonderful company could have done something wrong. Take the blinders off and join the rest of the human race.

12:59 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

only moron.
Please link to just one court decision from the country of your choice showing Intel to be guilty of violating anitrust laws.

Until then, you're nothing but an ignorant gasbag.

1:34 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Advanced Micro Devices has been deprived of revenue and forced to survive on artificially low profit margins, the company said Monday.

But wait, they said in their complaint that Intel caused people to pay more for cpu's. So how is it that Intel's lowering of cpu prices is bad for the US cosumer?

I guess AMD (and the fanbois here) think that antritrust laws exist to protect companies that produce inferior products, not consumers.

1:45 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

SUN switches from inferior AMD products to Intel products, swings from loss to profit:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070730/sunmicro_results.html?.v=4

Nobody wants AMD junk.

1:53 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@evil_merlin

Having some latent tendencies of your homosexual experiences are you. You must be speaking from your own experiences. Wow!!
Would never have thought of that with a name like evil-merlin!!!

1:57 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD is even poison to Chartered - nobody wants AMD crap cpus.

On July 27, the foundry announced that it had posted a net loss--its first in almost two years--of $24.7 million, down from a $12.9 million profit one year ago. Revenues came in at $324.3 million, an 11 percent drop from 2006.

"The market window of 90 nm [is] rather limited....We don't foresee much expansion on [the] customer base there"


Who is Chartered's 90nm customer? Why AMD of course!

2:01 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@lying bubba

Sun, which returned to profit in the second and third quarters after five consecutive quarterly losses, has tried to stage a recovery by revamping its product line, selling servers powered by chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE:AMD - News) and Intel Corp. (NasdaqGS:INTC - News), among other moves. The company last year announced about 5,000 job cuts to reduce costs.

I read the article too. You lying pc of dog crap!!!

2:10 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Lying?

Did SUN not post a profit this quarter after adding Intel products?

Wasn't SUN an AMD only shop during the five quarters they posted loses??

You said it yourself "revamping it's product line" - away from crap AMD prodcuts to superior Intel products.

They made a profit by selling the products people want to buy.

Intel products.

2:16 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@lying bubba/plumper

IBM not AMD plumper!!!

2:18 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@bubba/plumper

Reread the article idiot!!!

2:19 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

@lying bubba/plumper

Try this for size, same article you posted as anti-amd....excerpt from same article.

has tried to stage a recovery by revamping its product line, selling servers powered by chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE:AMD - News) and Intel Corp. (NasdaqGS:INTC - News), among other moves.

2:24 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Apple proves Intel products are superior.

Apple shipped 1,764,000 Macintosh computers, representing 33 percent growth over the year-ago quarter and exceeding the previous company record for quarterly Mac shipments by over 150,000.

"We're thrilled to report the highest June quarter revenue and profit in Apple's history, along with the highest quarterly Mac sales ever," said Apple chief executive Steve Jobs.


Apple switches to Intel, sees sales go through the roof.

Apple sells prodcuts that people want to buy.

Intel products.

2:29 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Sun Introduces The Most Open And Versatile Enterprise Blade Platform

Led by Chief Architect, Andy Bechtolsheim, Sun Team Designs Highest Performing Blade Server Supporting Highest Performing Microprocessors from Sun, Intel and AMD, Powered by the Solaris 10 Operating System
SANTA CLARA, Calif. June 6, 2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: SUNW) today introduced the Sun Blade 6000 Modular System, which redefines the datacenter lifecycle with up to double the memory and double the I/O capacity of competing blades and rackmount servers. The Sun Blade 6000 Modular System offers a choice of blades powered by the UltraSPARC T1 processor with CoolThreads technology, Intel Xeon processors or AMD Opteron processors, allowing customers to deploy the industry's broadest range of applications ranging from virtualization, database, web tier and high performance computing (HPC) on a single common modular design.

2:42 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

What market share does Apple have even with intel chips?

2:44 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

My opinion on the intel/apple agreement is intel is giving kick backs to apple like all other partners they have. Shady arrangements at the least.

2:52 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

some ah said
"Apple proves Intel products are superior ..."

The above line is probably the Joke of the day...
Apple + Intel only proves , one Marketing shop nicely compliments another..

3:14 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Hey Bubba, they still let people use the Internet from inside maximum security jails?

You are a serious idiot! Why don't you try to prove anything stupid you have to say with numbers!

What is Sun's percentage of revenue due to Intel server sales?

As for Apple, it just goes to show you how many idiots are out there! Seriously! Why would you go and buy a product priced at a premium when you could buy something for half the price. I use to respect Apple fans since I believed that they were buying something unique (Power PC, OS X, etc). But now, you pay a premium for Intel and Windows?????? Seriously, its very scary!

6:02 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

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7:50 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Nvidia is selling it's performance leading Geforce 8800 and 8600 series in record numbers!

AMD GPU shipments down 20%:

The surprising climb has come largely at the expense of AMD's ATI subsidiary, which was acquired by AMD roughly a year ago -- an indication that the acquistion has so far not gone as planned. AMD sold 15.86 million units, capturing 19.5 percent of the market. A year ago, AMD sold 19.67 million units -- a 19.4 percent decrease -- and controlled 26.7 percent of the market

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070730/tc_zd/212483;_ylt=AkCzqwwgfYlwAqgfOaVIjtms0NUE

Don't forget that G92 is due in November; Nvidia will, once again, double graphics performance!

AMD is finished. AMD BK Q2'08.

Why is Sun using Xeon CPUs in it's servers now? That's simple. They need real x86 quad core server CPUs at speeds of up to 3GHz to remain competitive with IBM, HP, Dell etc. Intel can supply these. All AMD has are "simulated" performance results.

Re: Apple, Apple does make some wonderful machines. I bought a MacBook a few weeks ago. The 2.16Ghz model with the ram doubled to 2GB. It's very fast, it would eat any AMD based laptop alive. It only has the Intel graphics, but since I do not plan on using it for games the Intel graphics are just fine.

The results are clear, Apple has been posting 30% Mac sales growth since they switched to Intel. It's clear who the leader in CPUs is.
AMD is the undisputed leader at creating powerpoint presentations and they certainly have the fastest "simulated performance" around!

But when it comes to real CPUs; and real, not simulated, performance it's Intel by far. At this stage I'm wondering if we'll even see a quad core desktop CPU from AMD before they BK in Q2'08!

7:58 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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9:20 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I'm wondering if we'll even see a quad core desktop CPU from INTEL that does not suck tons of power before they BK in Q2'08!

1) http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAEP 50W TDP Quad core CPU. There's a faster 2Ghz/1333FSB version arriving in August with the same 50W TDP.

2) Please explain how Intel will BK in Q2'08. It's clear to see how AMD will BK, they have huge ammounts of debt, and a rapidly dwindling cash supply. 1.5bn in the bank, losing 600m per quarter. AMD is even so desperate for cash that they are looking at selling off their handheld division to Qualcomm. Intel, OTOH, has plenty of cash and is still earning well over $1bn each quarter.

Intel by far that has lost the american market and been charged with all sorts of crimes by the EU.

1)Intel has about 80% of the market; AMD about 20%. Last quarter AMD gained a little in desktop because it's flogging off dual core CPUs for under $70 and making no profit, this is not a sustainable business for AMD. They lost in servers however, where the real money is.

2)Please provide a link to a court document showing that Intel has committed any sort of crime with regarding to illegal business practices. No, AMD's frivolous lawsuit doesn't count I'm afraid. In case you've forgotten, AMD is being sued by SGI, Opti Inc. and Microunity among other companies for patent violation. Depending on the outcome of these lawsuits, AMD may have to cough up some big $$$.

possible infringement of EU competition law

But when it comes to real antique pentium 3 CPUs

Core 2 Duo has as much in common with a Pentium 3 as AMD's latest Barcelona simulations and K8 CPUs have in common with the K6 architecture. (AMD bought that from NexGen remember!)

AMD stands alone in energy saving desktop cpus

With 250W TDP 4x4 platforms? Or with 125W 6000+ CPUs? Intel's comparable products use 130W and 65W respectively. Intel has Core 2 Duo CPUs with a TDP as low as 10W.

they are a growing company not a shrinking one like intel.

Is this why AMD's stock has gone from a high of $41 last year to under $14 now? Or why they have over $5bn in debt now? Or why the combined Ati/AMD revenue is down sharply YoY? Or why the AMD is worth $7.5bn now, down from about $20bn when their stock was at $41 last year?

9:20 PM, July 30, 2007

10:21 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

Jeach! said...

As for Apple, ... Why would you go and buy a product priced at a premium when you could buy something for half the price. I use to respect Apple fans since I believed that they were buying something unique (Power PC, OS X, etc). But now, you pay a premium for Intel and Windows?????? Seriously, its very scary!


First, are you serious that you can buy a similarly configured system at half the price? I believe enumae long a go has done a comparison with a dell system and no significant difference there! Secondly, those that buy Mac still got a OS X, and now they can dual boot it easily with WinXP, etc. That's unique. Don't you think so? can your PC boot OS X? i don't think so. (i'm not a fans of Apple, but just to point out the uniqueness)

11:30 PM, July 30, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Quick Comparison:

Mac Pro $2499 - Dual 2.66Ghz dual core Xeons, 1GB ram, 250GB HDD, Geforce 7300 GT video, DVD/RW drive.

Dell Precision 690 with XP Pro $3132 - Dual 2.66Ghz dual core Xeons, 1GB ram, 250GB HDD, Quadro NV, DVD/RW drive.

12:43 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

abinstein
"Still this 1.7x scaling is much better than Core 2, which scales just 1.5x or less."

I've put up some numbers here, care to comment on those? They clearly show that even dualcore AMDs have memory bottleneck in SpecFP. With quadcore that bottleneck will be much bigger.

If I did make any mistakes there then tell me what exactly they are. Though I'd be glad if you commented there instead of here, you seem to be dropping to the level of most other people here.

Just posted it here because perhaps you didn't see it on scientias blog. Last time you didn't comment it there, I hope this time you do and you can actually stand by what you say instead of doing whatever you are doing here.



As for Apple PC's, remember you'll get buttloads of software to go with it. On PC that alone will set you back several hundred dollars.

4:39 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger JoJo said...

They wern't found guilty.
Why are you such a fucking moron?

4:58 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

"NVIDIA Market Share Rises at the Expense of AMD

During the second quarter, NVIDIA sold 26.48 million graphics parts, claiming an overall 32.6 percent of the market, according to Jon Peddie Research. NVIDIA’s market share grew 82.9 percent from last year, when it held less than 20 percent.

Overall, Intel, with its 30.59 million parts sold, still retains the firmest grasp on the market with 37.6 percent share – a small gain of 3.1 percent from last year.

Unfortunately for AMD, the ATI division saw a dramatic decrease in sales and market share. For the quarter, AMD sold 15.86 million units, a far cry from last year’s 19.67 million – representing a drop in market share from 26.7 percent to 19.5 percent."


More proof people don't want crappy AMD products.

8:05 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

The real truth from someone who was there.

http://www.theinquirer.net/
default.aspx?article=41342

Whether you believe this article is truth is to your mind set or to the blinders you may have on!!!

8:28 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Another to dispel the (fud)

http://www.theinquirer.net/
default.aspx?article=41329

8:31 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Guess I miscounted. So that's a total of ten fans to keep an AMD system cool.

No wonder they had to keep them in a separate room, nobody could talk over the noise.

8:58 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Christian M. Howell said...

For all of you that say Barcelona is this or that, go to Scientias latest post. He has a video link to official Barcelona vs. Cloverton tests.

The Barc is at 2GHz with a 78 SPECfp and the Clov is at 2.33GHz with a 60 SPECfp.

And for al the FUD mongers complanng about Phenom at 3GHz, head over to The Inq where they have several pics of TWO boxes. They say they were able to play games, oen the box everything except benchmarks which is reasonable as they're not due for another two months.

9:11 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

christian
"He has a video link to official Barcelona vs. Cloverton tests."

From the later posts you can also see how "good" metric is SpecFP_rate. Even K8 dualcores have memory bottlenecks in it!

9:18 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

A link to an AMD supplied benchmark, how original.

How about some real world application benchmarks? How about letting review sites run their own benchmarks as Intel did?

9:34 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

How about some real world application benchmarks? How about letting review sites run their own benchmarks as Intel did?

They can't do that! Otherwise those review sites might use 3Ghz Clovertown CPUs. AMD is so desperate that they show off their fastest Barcelona that they have to compare it to Intel's third fastest Clovertown CPU. Pathetic.

AMD BK Q2'08.

10:43 AM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

Socket 939 AMD Mobo for $30 @ NewEgg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186115&CMP=AFC-C8Junction

12:50 PM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger R said...

Intel is most likely using Intel mail servers world wide; how come those servers keep loosing the emails?

12:56 PM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Worlds first portable workstation.

Quad core, SLI and raid 5 in a laptop.

AMD can't compete.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8255

4:28 PM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

blah blah blah...

In less then a few weeks Barcelona should ship for revenue. We know what that means, shipped a few handfull to some favorite OEM.

Don't you fanbois find it interesting how demos show frequenchy and games, but AMD can't even trust the favorite reviewers times to do a few benchmarks. What could AMD be afraid of? Sounds like INTEL in the Prescott days... very controled PR as much as they can to try and twist a sad situation into something more.

AMD BK in 2008 I say

5:27 PM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

And the beat goes on!

6:55 PM, July 31, 2007  
Blogger R said...

AMD picked up 4% cpu market share 2nd qtr, according to eWeek. If you ask me that’s remarkable without any new products

2:48 PM, August 01, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

More proof AMD products are crap.

Tens of thousands of Radeon HD video cards recalled (sofar).

http://techreport.com/ja.zz?comments=12976

3:20 PM, August 01, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

What to do, What to do!
I know buy more cheap AMD stock before it goes up in 4Q2007

5:36 PM, August 01, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I know buy more cheap AMD stock before it goes up in 4Q2007

AMD's stock will crash as Intel introduces Penryn and opens up a performance gap that AMD will never close as they BK in Q2'08.

10:13 PM, August 01, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

You just can't make it up:

http://download.amd.com/Investor%20Relations/July_2007_AMD_Analyst_Day_Randy_Allen_FINAL.pdf

Look at slide 20.

They updated the presentation; they now admit it's a simulation!

*Estimated performance based on AMD lab
measurements of Quad-Core AMD Opteron™
processor at 2 GHz


AMD: Smarter Smimulated Products!

4:31 AM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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8:25 AM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Bubba said...
A link to an AMD supplied benchmark, how original.

How about some real world application benchmarks? How about letting review sites run their own benchmarks as Intel did?


Typical hypocritical statement coming from an Intelite!

If the product which will be coming out in several months is NOT finalized in any shape or form why would they have to please you?

Intel has done the same, is doing the same and will do the same... so stop your wining and complaining!

From what you've said so far about this event, you were obviously NOT in the room at the demo. So if you were NOT there why do you keep spreading FUD about this event/product?

Your an embarrassment to your own camp and soon even Intelites will tell you to shut it!

giant said...
AMD's stock will crash as Intel introduces Penryn and opens up a performance gap that AMD will never close as they BK in Q2'08.


Just remember giant that the trend has been the opposite of what you are saying. The gap has been slowly closing (or has closed) for the last decade!

As a matter of fact AMD has surpassed Intel in most factors already (such as):

o FAB logistics (APM)
o FAB process
o Processor architecture
o Processor techs (ei: virutalization)
o Processor power efficiency
o Native processors
o Graphics processors
o Fusion
o Etc, etc

The only trailing factors are:

o 45nm : AMD trails by 10 months
o MHz : AMD trails by 10 months
o Quads : AMD trails by 2-4 months
o Profit : Ok, I admit that with just this alone, if you can't be profitable at some point, you might as well forget by how much you lead in everything else!

12:39 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

If the product which will be coming out in several months is NOT finalized in any shape or form

Then they are in huge trouble if it's not final by now. It takes six to twelve months to validate silicon.

Intel has done the same, is doing the same and will do the same... so stop your wining and complaining!

IDF March 2006...Intel gave review sites access to systems four months prior to Core 2 launch.

You are such a fucking ignorant loser it pathetic.

1:48 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

More proof AMD products suck:

AMD requires a 2.4Ghz dual core cpu for decode of H.264 video.

An iPod can decode H.264 video.

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/12979

1:56 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

Bubba said...

More proof AMD products suck:

AMD requires a 2.4Ghz dual core cpu for decode of H.264 video.



Well some more FUD from the ultimate Intel Fan Bubba aka moron !! Please keep of this blog and try spamming elsewhere ...

FYI -Forget ipod , I dont think even any Intel CPU can do 1080p @ 2.4GHz...just try doing that you a*h*...

I wish I had a little Red button to wipe out such morons !! :-))

2:05 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

jeach!
As a matter of fact AMD has surpassed Intel in most factors already (such as):

o FAB logistics (APM)
o FAB process

Intel is churning out 45nm w/ HK/MG, while AMD can't even scale their K10 with acceptable yield. On FAB process, AMD is at least 1 year behind.

o Processor architecture
...and C2D is the performance king as of now. No words on K10's performance.

o Processor techs (ei: virutalization)
AMD is better in the area because virtualization is mostly used on servers.

o Processor power efficiency
You mean idle power consumption, or power consumption when the computer is off? Perhaps you should look at FX-74's power consumption?

o Native processors
Because its economically unfeasible. While AMD is working on their "native" quad core, Intel had already sold 1 billion quad core worldwide. The upcoming Nehalem will finish K10 (according to lab results), if AMD does not come up with Bulldozer fast enough.

o Graphics processors You mean... ATi's graphic is better than Intel's?

o Fusion
No working sample yet. The first generation of Fusion is a two die solution.

o Etc, etc
oh I know I know!!


- First to claim estimated performance on an imaginary processor.
- First to massively delay product launch
- First to massively delay product delivery to OEMs
- First to claim "performance per watt per dollar per PR stunt"
- First to misled public (R600 anyone?)


so yes, AMD does surpass Intel in some area.

3:04 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

netrama, did you even bother to follow the link?

That's an AMD published specification. How exactly is that FUD? Becuase you don't like the facts?

4:48 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

Oh wow another one of Sharikou's gang bang buddies show up to show the world his tiny AMD tatooed penis.

Netrama, you Sharikou, onlyamd and oneexpert really need to stop meeting together, the risk of the spread of stupidity, lemmingism and lack of original thinking could possibly reach critical mass with the level of idiocy displayed by the four of you.

5:25 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Hey evil_merlin..

How do you know their little penis is tatooed? Any close ups you care to post from your personal experience. Last week it was your latent homosexual thoughts you posted. We all know by now who is swallowing the big one..

6:05 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I dont think even any Intel CPU can do 1080p @ 2.4GHz...just try doing that you a*h*...

My Q6600 can decode 1080P H.264 video content just fine. I can even encode another video in the background and the system is still responsive. Try doing that on your AMD system. Oh wait. You can't. I forgot for a moment that all AMD users are stuck with dual core CPUs.

AMD BK Q2'08.

7:06 PM, August 02, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

only amd, I guess in your warped world, it isn't OK to be gay.

So not only are you blindly supporting AMD like a tool, you are a homophobe as well.

Do you also like to wear jackboots and a black armband with a red white and black logo on it made famous by a short guy with a silly mustache?

AMD, the choice of blind, dumb neo-nazi's everywhere!

4:19 AM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

o Quads : AMD trails by 2-4 months

What kind of crap is this? Intel delivered quad core CPUs in volume for desktop and server in November 2006. If AMD was 2-4 months behind then wouldn't they have launched quad core CPUs in a January 07 -> March '07 timeframe?! Unless the - wasn't meant to be there, and you meant that AMD is 24 months behind, that I can certainly believe!

10:04 AM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

What to do, What to do!
I know buy more cheap AMD stock before it goes up in 4Q2007


Not according to Barrons this morning:

"Advanced Micro Headed Backward

WE RESUME COVERAGE ON Advanced Micro Devices with a Sell rating and a $10 price target."

11:08 AM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Rodney said...

Here's what the good doctor had to say about that ultra-pathetic C2D processor and AMD's ultra-awesome 4X4 back in 2006.

Saturday, June 10, 2006
Conroe is a stopgap solution, AMD 4x4 is a permanent solution

A "4x4" sticker is just like a SLI sticker: it's a differentiation that devalues the competition. -- Sharikou

Some people say that AMD 4x4 is a stopgap solution. Such a view is naively wrong.

From 2002 to 2005, PC performance gained very little. The Pentium 4 reached 3GHZ in 2002, at the end of 2004, it was about 3.6GHZ. There was only 20% improvement in two years. AMD's Athlon 64 did outperform the P4, but the margin was not huge, around 10-30%. Then in 2005, AMD introduced dual core technology, system performance almost doubled overnight.

Today, personal computing is in a new era. CPU core improvement is still important for incremental gains, but from now on, performance jumps will come primarily from increasing the number of computing engines. Multiple cores is the answer for the future.

You never get enough performance. On the graphics front, we have moved from dual graphics cards to quad graphics cards. On storage, we have multiple hard drives forming RAID to increase speed and reliability. On memory, we have dual channels to increase bandwidth. The theme is clear, more is faster. But strangely, so far, we have only one CPU inside a typical PC.

To fully utilize the computing power of multiple cores across multiple CPUs, you must have an inter-core, inter-processor, core-memory and core-I/O communication platform to deliver the compute cycles to the outside world. This is distributed computing. AMD's Direct Connect Architecture, with its crossbars, cache coherent hyper transport, integrated memory controller and hypertransport, is the most elegant communications platform exists today.

AMD 4x4 utilizes the glueless ccNUMA capability of the AMD64 on the desktop. AMD 4x4 doubles the compute engines on desktop. With two dual channel memory controllers and double HyperTransport links, 4x4 doubles memroy bandwidth to 25.6GB/s and I/O bandwidth to 16GB/s. 4x4 also allows one to have 8 slots for non-registered DDR2. 4x4 almost doubles system performance with the efficiency of the Direct Connect Architecture. As both AMD and Intel are expected to be closely matched in multi-core CPU development, 4x4 is a long term solution to pin Intel at 50% of AMD's performance on the desktop. As we move to quadcore or octal core, the same 2x multiplier on the 4x4 platform will set Intel back 50% yet again and again.

The concept of 4x4 isn't limited to two CPU sockets. One can have 4 graphics cards, why not four CPU sockets if needed? Also, one of the socket may be used for Torrenza cards.

Now, what about Conroe? Conroe is merely an improvement on the execution engine. It sits on the same communication platform: the shared FSB. Back in 2003, Intel was talking about 10.2GHZ Pentium 4 by 2005. According to Intel, Conroe will be a 40% improvement over Pentium XE. Intel is clearly behind schedule on their performance goal. Intel's FSB based approach is not scalable and doesn't represent a challenge to AMD64. Eventually, Intel will have to follow AMD and create a communications infrastructure to deliver the compute cycles. Just like what Nvidia's SLI did to ATI, AMD 4x4 will force Intel to react. A 4x4 sticker is just like a SLI sticker: it devalues the competition.

AMD 4x4 will deliver an equivalent of 18 GHZ Pentium 4 cycles with an efficiency factor of 90%. It will more than double that with the K8L quadcore. Now, that's compelling.

In 2Q07, the K8L will be out. AMD is expected to widen its lead at single core level. Coupled with 4x4, that will be 3x peformance lead over Intel. Conroe will have to be scrapped and redone. Its shelf life is no longer than that of a banana. AMD 4x4 will continue for the forseeable future, at least two to three years.

Now tell me, which is a stopgap measure? 4x4 or Conroe?


Now YOU tell me... which was a stopgap measure? 4x4 or Conroe?

11:35 AM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger AndyW35 said...

Whatever the speed the new B2 stepping turns out to be, it does now look like 2GHz tops is a thing of the past and rather than binning down from 2GHz AMD will instead be binning down from 3GHz in Q4.

Which must be a relief. Not sure what the yields will be like at 3Ghz, but that speed should beat 3.33GHz Penryn and Intel might have to start looking at 3.6 instead as their X part.

12:25 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

I think Intel is headed for a big disaster in Q4 ...

With no new products AMD jacked up their share by 4% ..all this shows that the Core 2 hype (a bit longer lived than the iphone hype :-) is finally fading out and folks are comign to thier senses !!

BTW bubba in his ultimate FUD of the week -claims that an ipod can do H.264 to 1080P conversion, bubba do you have any idea how much bandwidth a 1080P needs ?? :-))

1:26 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Rodney, remember that an important rule of this blog is that there is only ever 1 post on the blog! That post is of course Sharikou's most recent inane, propaganda laden rant! (sarcasm)After all, only a paid Intel fanboy would expect consistency!(/sarcasm).

It's sort of like 1984, all previous posts go down the memory hole, especially when it comes to his stupid predictions. Another 1984ism: "We have always loved Nvidia!" --- AMD buys ATI -- "Nvidia has always sucked and is evil!"

With apologies to Fight Club:
The first rule of Journal of Pervasive 64 bit Computing: Sharikou never talks about 64 bit computing! (Hell, I honestly doubt he's ever used a 64 bit computer due to the fact he runs XP, meaning his precious Opterons are running in 32 bit mode...)

The second rule of ournal of Pervasive 64 bit Computing: no one else ever talks about 64 bit computing either! We're too busy laughing at Sharikou. Actually, a blog that actually discussed 64 bit computing could be kind of interesting, too bad this ain't it.

1:30 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD sure had some nice stock performace today, falling to within 25 cents of their 52 week low.

For the math challenged here, that's an 18% drop in two weeks.

Looks like the financial markets don't agree with only moron and netretard.

I wonder how that could be?

1:42 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

See Intel cartel at work here live :-

This is todays ad for HP DV9420US laptop at compusa

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?&ref=cj&pfp=cj&product_code=346217#rv

Now WHAT is wrong with this ad ??

COMPUSA is hiding one important DETAIL
.. that this uses the fastest TL-64 part and compusa does not want to mention the Processor speed to be 2.2GHz.

Search under all notebooks and specify processor speed to be between 2.0 and 2.5 Ghz
NO AMD Laptops show up as well ....now isnt that a bit interesting ??

4:28 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

COMPUSA is hiding one important DETAIL
.. that this uses the fastest TL-64 part and compusa does not want to mention the Processor speed to be 2.2GHz.


Who cares? It's fragged all over by my MacBook with a Core 2 Duo.

They probably don't mention because it may not contain a real CPU; it might be simulated!

6:48 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD study concludes what it was paid to conclude:

http://news.com.com/8300-10784_3-7.html?authorId=140

This is clearly libel and Intel should sue AMD. They should demand about a billion in damages for this outrage.

7:54 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Look at AMD's woefully low stock price. The investors all believe it now; AMD's BK is inevitable. What's left of AMD will be left with Morgan and Stanley after Q2'08.

7:58 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Now WHAT is wrong with this ad ??

Nothing. I'd be too embarassed to admit selling a Turdion too.

8:53 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...


WE RESUME COVERAGE ON Advanced Micro Devices with a Sell rating and a $10 price target."


Now obviously you don't invest. Because if you do, you just admitted that you badly suck at it!

Allow me to do you a BIG favor (your welcome) and translate the meaning of this for you.

"We at Barrons believe that AMD's stock will do exceptionally well in the future. Considering this fact, we would like to accumulate AMD stock at a great price.

Therefore, it is in our own selfish greed that we recommend you, our beloved client, to sell all your AMD stock as to bring the price down in order for us to achieve our target price goal.

But let us assure you that when the price is high enough for us to sell, at a considerable profit, we will once again recommend a buy rating on AMD stock so that we can sell it at a great price.

Thank you for your time, patience and money... Barons"

11:43 PM, August 03, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Jeach... you know about as much about stock markets as you do about cars and microprocessors... in other words NOTHING.

However, in your twisted logic, you have to admit that when Sharikou, oneretard, only_goats says Intel's stock will tank it means that they really believe Intel will actually beat the crap out of AMD and will do amazingly well and they just want to buy Intel cheap!

Oh wait... you mean you don't apply the exact same reasoning when it's not your fanboy company? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to find there are hypocritcal retards in this establishment!

8:25 AM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

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9:17 AM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

Giant -
"Who cares? It's fragged all over by my MacBook with a Core 2 Duo."

MacBook is just too expensive, too short battery life, and too literally hot.

You get burnt not only on your wallet but your palms.

10:03 AM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Intels stock tanked on friday to a low of $23.91

Compared with... $12.85 for AMD? Investors are saying AMD's stock will drop down to $10 and below.



IBMs power6 at 4.7 ghz has shown the world that 4.7 ghz is possible and that intel cant do it.


Yes, no one denies that the POWER6 is a very impressive CPU. It's not for consumer machines; but it's still one hell of a CPU work servers and workstations that IBM has there. But now remind me, what does this have to do with AMD? Companies like Intel with quad core and companies like IBM with 4.7GHz POWER6 CPUs are very impressive. All AMD has are simulated benchmarks and outdated dual core CPUs that can't exceed 3Ghz.


AMDs barcelona at 3 ghz is just steamrolling intel into submission.


Really? If they are "steamrolling" Intel please provide some links for me:

1) A link to where I can buy one

2) A link to AMD's site showing off a 3Ghz Barcelona

Thanks.

Intel spent trillions of marketing dollars in Q2

Wow. This is huge news. If Intel is spending, we'll call it an even $1 Trillion on marketing, yet only earning 8.8bn in revenue, should they not have reported a loss of at least $992,200,000,000? I can't find a mention of this $900bn loss anywhere on Intel's site, can someone help me find it?

AMD gains another 4% market share

Yeah, by selling $70 dual core CPUs. AMD is losing $600m a quarter from doing that; 1.5bn in cash left and losing $600m a quarter, what does that tell you? Intel owns the high end desktop ($200 and up), server and mobile where the real money is made. AMD will BK in Q2'08 and Intel and VIA will have 100% of the x86 market to themselves.

VIAs 20 watt C7 is heating up the low end market with low prices and good performance.

Yes, it looks like Intel should keep an eye on VIA. VIA is Intel's biggest competition in the x86 CPU market. That is, unless you counted the simulated x86 market. AMD has a comamanding lead in the simulated CPU market!

AMD: 1.5bn in cash, losing $600m a quater with 5.3bn in debt; a sure way to BK in Q2'08!

10:35 AM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Abinstein: If Macs are so terrible then why did Apple just sell more of them last quarter (100% Intel powered) than it has ever sold in a single quarter! (And Q2 is normally not a strong quarter for sales!!)

If you don't believe me, read it right here. So why is it that Apple is selling more Macs now than it ever sold when IBM was making the chips? Could it be that the Core 2's don't really suck and are in fact superior chips? A rational person would have to say that at a minimum the Intel chips can't be causing any problems or else Apple couldn't be selling the machines like it is doing.

Of course, AMD fanboys are not rational, so they'll make up stuff about how terrible Apples are when the exact same people probably heaped praise on (slower and less capable) Apples when an Intel competitor was making the chips. This goes back to the 1984 motif: "We have always loved Apple!" -- Apple switches to Intel -- "We have always hated Apple!"

11:21 AM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

chuckula -
"So why is it that Apple is selling more Macs now than it ever sold when IBM was making the chips?"

What does Macs sales have anything to do with my comments? Just go to any Apple store and you can feel how "hot" Macbooks are. The smaller/sexier the looks the hotter they get.

I have difficulty to understand people like you, who regard any negative opinion slightly related to your beloved Intel as said by "AMD fanboys". There aren't that many AMD fanboys in the world, dude.

Nobody questions C2D performance: a 2.0GHz C2D probably is comparable to a 2.4GHz Turion. However, those T7200 & T7600 processors have Vmax 1.3V and Imax 41A, resulting in max power around 52W! Surely it's no surprise that they run literally hot.

Also, starting at $1050 is quite an expensive price tag. Yeah Mac has cool brand and Apple is great marketing, but that doesn't translate to user experience. I have a Mac notebook too, BTW, and all I can say is Mac stores are great at repairing things - and over time there are many on that notebook to be repaired.

And you're just ignorant to compare Intel-based Mac sales to Power-based. The difference is not quality or performance, but price. The use of Intel-compatible hardware allows Apple to scale costs down with the economy. Previously one had to spend 1.5x money to get a lowest-end Macbook, now just 1.2x, and people like you go crazy to cheer. This is stupid. You could've bought the same or better (Intel-based) notebook from any maker such as Acer, Asus, HP, Lenovo, etc., except you can't use OSX on them (which says nothing of how good or bad the running processor is).

2:54 PM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

BTW my Macbook is quite new and I got it earlier this year. It's already repaired once and now used by other members of my family.

2:56 PM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

It's truly sad how decent blog sites get infested by 'microbes' these days! Most of us try to blog, have a great discussions, debate various issues and most importantly have fun.

But these microbes, such as bubba and giant come along and infest the site with useless, uninformed, biased and insulting posts.

Regardless of what is posted, they will reply with a degrading post of their own.

There are those who are true fans, but yet we still show compassion and respect for others.

And then there are microbes who just take this stuff way too seriously!

Jeach... you know about as much about stock markets as you do about cars and microprocessors... in other words NOTHING.

Right, that must be it!

My main job is as a programmer and if you can list the worlds top 20 banks and financial institutions, well odds are that I've designed and/or programmed software for them. But they hired me because I know nothing about their business domain.

And as a second job (or my hobby) I'm hired to trade stocks/funds/ETF's. I transact an average of $10 million to $15 million per day... but I guess I don't know what I'm doing so that is why they let me do it?

Funny how my employers are retarded?

7:26 PM, August 04, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Jeach: I really don't give a flying fuck if you are Warren Buffett, you made an asinine comment that was stupid and illogical, and I called you out on it. Your 'appeal to authority' (yourself) is even less convincing since I'm pretty sure you are lying.
In fact, for your own sorry sake I hope you are lying, because if you are telling the truth then either:
1. You are acting as a stock broker without a license which is a violation of federal law since making trades on behalf of third parties requires a license. See the Securities & Exchange Act, and the NASD series 7 exam.
2. Or if you are actually licensed (which I highly doubt) you are violating your sworn ethical duties by posting information you know to be false on this website. You are trying to engage in the exact same activities that those pump & dump scammers do and that is also a violation of federal law.

Way to go you unethical criminal!

Abinstein:
Coming from an AMD fanboy, I find it very amusing to be called an Intel fanboy. Have you ever read my posts? I've been very critical of Intel's past performance when it comes to both Itanium and the old Netburst fiasco. I've also had plenty of praise for the K8 architecture... the only problem is that a good architecture still ages and has to be replaced, and AMD has failed miserably on that front so far, particularly with the grandiose promises they've made. The same process will happen to the Core 2's in time and Intel will have to properly execute on Nehalem or risk being left in the dust, and Nehalem will be judged on how well it performs, not on a bunch of buzzword filled powerpoint slides.
You see, that's the difference between us, I can honestly evaluate which product is better and I don't have to make blanket statements that Intel is alwys better than AMD or vice versa. Hell, just the other day I said it was smart of AMD to use the low-power states to save power on its desktop CPUs. That was a rational compliment of AMD based on facts, not on powerpoint slides or insults that Intel uses '70's technology'.
Another point: I actually want AMD to survive, and most of the idiot fanboys on this site give advice that would drive AMD into the ground even faster than it is already going. Marketshare at any cost? Selling your top-line CPU's for $70? Spending all your time suing your competitors instead of putting out better chips? Hyping up and under-delivering on products? With 'friends' like that on this blog, there's no need for any Intel fanboys, AMD's 'friends' will handle the job.

As for Apple (and this is where I love you AMD fanboys) I got a 2002 Titanium Powerbook with a 1Ghz G4 processor, 512MB RAM, and a 64 MB ATI Radeon 9000 video card. It was the last titanium powerbook model made before Apple went to the brushed-aluminum look. It's still in use and I thought it was an awesome laptop!
So before you accuse me of being a hypocrite, just remember I haven't bought an Apple since they went Intel, and you have... so who's really keeping evil Apple & Intel alive, you or me?

7:30 AM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

Barcelona confirmed to finish off Clovertown: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pSw2GTLHtQo

Intel is finished.

11:22 AM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

randy allen: Hahahahaha.... thanks for proving my point. Huge hype, huge promises, no product.
That guy could sell sand in the Sahara, but the difference is that in the Sahara he'd actually have sand to sell :)

11:25 AM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Wolfdale benchmarks!

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?tid=837360&tp=Intel-Penryn-Preview&rid=837360

2.33Ghz Wolfdale ES vs. a 2.33Ghz E6550. Very impressive performance gains across the board here. More than twice as fast in DivX encoding! More than 30% faster in Half Life 2.

On average, this is a 9.825% IPC gain from the new Penryn core. This number will only go up as more applications take advantage of the new stuff like SSE4.

AMD has simulations and power point presentations, but Intel delivers the goods. I can't wait to get a Penryn Quad running at ~3GHz. Fully socket compatible with the existing boards.

7:44 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

Giant... you know that can't possibly be right! Actual performance numbers are not accurate if they are run on a bunch of different software packages, only AMD approved simulations are ever accurate! These can't be right since they show Intel chips performing better! Intel didn't even have a powerpoint slide showing buzzwords like 'native quadcore' and 'hypertransport' this isn't accurate!

All kidding aside, this is about what most people expected from Penryn: Across the board improvements in IPC (although nothing huge) with some big spikes in media applications that take advantage of SSE4. I'll wait for some more reviews to come in before a final judgment, but all in all decent. This is what Intel promised, and from these specs they have delivered... interesting that we now have far more detailed info on Penryn than anybody has on the K10 even though K10 is supposed to be out this month and the first Penryns are only scheduled for the 4th Quarter.

Notice how Intel didn't promise to 'blow away' AMD or be 8 bazillion times faster in a blizzard of powerpoint slides... instead they actually make chips that actually work on actual software. There's a lesson in there somewhere that some people on this site are too dumb to get.

8:44 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD is so desperate for attention they're talking about 'blowing away clovertown' or 'barcelona will be 40% faster than Clovertown!' 'Intel doesn't have quad core. They have dual dual cores!' 'AMD has the only native true quad core on the market!' and other nonsense like this.

Meanwhile, Intel sticks to it's roadmap, rolling out more products that just continue to increase it's lead. Intel was telling nothing but the whole truth the whole time; Penryn has ~10% IPC boost over current 65nm CPUs. This can be much higher in applications that can make good use of SSE4 (Video encoding is the best example).

This, coupled with lower power use and higher clockspeeds and compatibility with current boards make Penryn a great upgrade.

If you look at the leaked Xeon clockspeeds, there's a 50W 2.66Ghz Harpertown quad core CPU. With the IPC boost this is about as fast a 2.93Ghz Clovertown. That's right - a 50W within 2% of the fastest Clovertown now while using 50W of power instead of 130W. Now that's impressive.

9:24 PM, August 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD is guilty of defamation:

http://virtualization.sys-con.com/read/411804.htm

For instance, do you remember that class action that was filed back in January that claimed that Intel paid Dell over a billion dollars a year in kickbacks not to buy chips from AMD?

Well, you should because AMD has been beating that particular drum this week as evidence that the European Commission is on the right track in charging Intel with antitrust.

The only problem is that suit was withdrawn back in May, a fact AMD neglected to mention.


It seems Intel will sue AMD for defamation. AMD's trying to tarnish Intel's brand name. Intel will punish AMD severely for this outrage. AMD is guilty of more than just defamation, AMD will be charged with perjury as well for trying to lie and present false evidence.

1:06 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD Opteron 3.2Ghz fragged all over:

http://anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3057&p=6

Opteron uses 125W vs. only 80W for 2.33Ghz quad or 3Ghz dual Intel.

AMD BK Q2'08.

3:04 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger AndyW35 said...

I like those Wolfdale benchmarks, not so much the performance increase which is the expected 10% or so but, if they are true, the wattage and temp figures. Those show that Intel has really cracked the 45nm process and their new gate technology really has limited leakage. Impressive. If true.

Looking good but need to get more figures to judge accurately.

If it is true then I do wonder how these babies will overclock. My current X6800 is easily ticking along at 3600MHz in summer and at 41C at desktop, whereas my nvidia card is 60C :( Mind you the cpu does have the tuniq on top.

I'd hazard a guess that it is possible that you might be able to buy a Wolfdale and have it ticking over at 4GHz on air 24/7 365 a year and that will be very hard to beat. I still do not think 4 cores are required for desktop use and for 2008 a really fast, and cheaper, dual core will be the way to go.....

4:20 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD stock price sinks to a new 52 week low.

Good going Hector!

8:56 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

Bubba said...

AMD stock price sinks to a new 52 week low.

Great..Did you forget to add AMD BK bu Q2 '08 ??
Well not only AMD several other companies are seeing their yearly lows :-)..
But the point is, one quick look of all the posts you make, cant find out where your anti AMD motivation comes from,seems that either you are a mad person or you are result of Intel Marketing dollars...or you want to pick by AMD stock real cheap ...but there is no doubt that you are a true moron!!

9:17 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I still do not think 4 cores are required for desktop use and for 2008 a really fast, and cheaper, dual core will be the way to go.....

It all depends on the pricing. If there's only a small difference in price between the dual and quad core then lots of people are going to go for the quad regardless.

Bubba, thanks for that news. AMD is also now worth less than $7bn.

9:36 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger AndyW35 said...

giant said

"It all depends on the pricing. If there's only a small difference in price between the dual and quad core then lots of people are going to go for the quad regardless."

Yes, very good point, the quad will be perhaps an irresistable honeypot if the pricing is low, just look at the Q6600, so I guess it all depends on the sweet spot.

As a generalisation thouugh, for the average home game playing user, I think it would be best to eek out the money on the best overclocking dual processor and the money saved spent on more than 2GB of RAM and a bit better video card.

Whether the best dual core processor for 2008 is AMD or Intel I am not sure at present, but I am looking forward to finding out.



It's rather a tough juggling act to know at present though with so many new games coming out and two operating systems to chose from and how that effects your entire system choice.

9:51 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Chuckula said...
Jeach: I really don't give a flying fuck if you are Warren Buffett, you made an asinine comment that was stupid and illogical, and I called you out on it.


We don't have to search far to find microbes on this site... they come right to you!

Here's a perfect example: Doesn't like the fact that I post a reply to his comment so he resorts throwing insult and comparison of character.

You have NOT "called me out on it". You have not posted anything to show or prove that I was wrong or even made an attempt at showing why you were right! Repeating the 'F' word doesn't 'call out' anything 'Chuckula!


Your 'appeal to authority' (yourself) is even less convincing since I'm pretty sure you are lying.


Pretty sure? As you keep writing you become quite convince with your final accusation. Maybe you should stop writing and start thinking. It might enlighten you a bit!


In fact, for your own sorry sake I hope you are lying, because if you are telling the truth then either:

1. You are acting as a stock broker without a license which is a violation of federal law since making trades on behalf of third parties requires a license. See the Securities & Exchange Act, and the NASD series 7 exam.

2. Or if you are actually licensed (which I highly doubt) you are violating your sworn ethical duties by posting information you know to be false on this website. You are trying to engage in the exact same activities that those pump & dump scammers do and that is also a violation of federal law.


No I'm not 'acting' as a stock broker and never did I imply this!

This is another typical Intelite problem... you keep putting words in peoples mouths. Purposely make false claims that people have not made. You distort reality!

And no I don't have a license! Actually I have no formal/official financial education. I was self though (now I can see insults coming on this for sure).

And there are no laws which prevent me from doing what I'm doing. Everything I do is ethical and lawful. Now, I wouldn't expect someone like you to believe me... not for a second. Frankly I don't mind at all. But what does bother me is the fact that you are convinced that I'm lying and making false presentation. The fact that you 'KNOW' Sharikou is lying and not a doctor and making false representation. The fact that you and other Intelites have accused others of lying... when you simply don't know!!


Way to go you unethical criminal!


Those are strong words coming from someone who knows nothing about another.

With such accusations, all you show here is proof of your ill-doing character and your agenda on this site to tarnish AMD and followers regardless of truths and facts!!

10:37 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I hope no-one followed Penix's advice and sold their home to buy AMD stock. If they did they would be out on the street with this stock price. Out on street, just like Ruiz when AMD goes BK in Q2'08.

11:02 AM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD holds no hope for Barcelona.

Why else would they be launching new K8 chips (at 90nm no less!) less than a month before Barcelona is due?

K10 is pre-fragged by K8!

Dow is up almost 300 points, AMD tanks by 2%.

1:02 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

Last Trade: 12.77
Trade Time: 4:01PM ET
Change: Down 0.08 (0.62%) Not 2%

4:46 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

After Hours:
12.78 Up 0.01 (0.08%)
as of 7:25PM ET on 08/06/07

Should have bought earlier at $12.77

4:49 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

Only AMD said...

Last Trade: 12.77
Trade Time: 4:01PM ET
Change: Down 0.08 (0.62%) Not 2%

After Hours:
12.78 Up 0.01 (0.08%)
as of 7:25PM ET on 08/06/07


Forget it Only AMD, there is no reasoning with them. They believe it was down 2%, then IT IS DOWN 2%!

Also I'd like to put my 2 cents worth in the Apple debate. If Apple had record sales it wasn't due to Intel, but rather to Windows and x86. If Apple had gone with Cyrix, they would still would have sold a record number of computers.

Now I know that Intel's brand is huge, but most people have no clue what processor they have in their machine.

7:40 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger pointer said...

Jeach! said...

Only AMD said...

Last Trade: 12.77
Trade Time: 4:01PM ET
Change: Down 0.08 (0.62%) Not 2%

After Hours:
12.78 Up 0.01 (0.08%)
as of 7:25PM ET on 08/06/07


Forget it Only AMD, there is no reasoning with them. They believe it was down 2%, then IT IS DOWN 2%!


while i do not care about how much the AMD stock is, nor thinking that it has anything to do with the BK potential, but the statement above is quite lame in trying to discredit others statement.

read the comment's time stamp, it is 1:02 PM, August 06, 2007
, not 4pm. bubba's statement was correct at the time he posted.

8:06 PM, August 06, 2007  
Blogger Jeach! said...

pointer said...
read the comment's time stamp, it is 1:02 PM, August 06, 2007, not 4pm. bubba's statement was correct at the time he posted.


By now we all know bubbas usual intentions.

When you quote a stock without a time stamp we usually mean closing price. When we don't mean closing we usually say 'gapped up' or 'gapped down' or 'opened at' or 'by mid-day'.

Notice it wasn't hard for Only AMD to be precise.

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