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Sixteen K10 cores to frag Intel to pieces, actually, you can build a 8-way 32 core system with a HT connector to a daugther board.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 6/20/2007 07:54:00 AM
50 Comments:
Man, you must be smoking some good sh1t today!!! None of the cheap stuff!
He has mada a fortune from AMD. Why do you think they go with hundreds of millions in debt? :D
So Sharikou if that's high end, then Tigerton must be really "knock your socks off!" type high end yeah?
Up to 32P, 128 cores at up to 2.93Ghz coming in Q3'07. AMD is only for low end crap.
AMD BK Q2'08.
Now who's smoking what Rodney? The article is straight from Digitimes and echo's Tyan's announcement per the Thunder n3600QE. Perhaps it's you smoking something due that it's a known fact that thanks to AMD's HT bus, even with AMD's K8 Opterons, it still can more than hang and even surpass in some cases Intel's newest Xeon offerings thanks to it's antique FSB in 4-way or higher server setups.
FACT: This situation will get even worse for Intel once Barcelona is released, as AMD will be using HT 3.0 bus and the vastly improved K10, native quadcore processors.
Go to Walmart and buy a effin clue bub, or better yet quit drinkin' the Intel koolaid. It's obviously imparing your brain cell(s), like the rest of the Intel phanboiz here.
Poor AMD fanboys can't except that AMD is going to BK in Q2'08. We've all seen that Barcelona is prefragged by Clovertown Pathetic.
AMD's stock is down near the 52 week low while Intel's stock is a the 52 week high. Intel is worth $140bn. AMD is a pathetic $7.5bn. While Intel posts large profits AMD loses more cash. They've lost over $1.1bn in the last two quarters. They're running out of cash and they can't even sell anything to cover expenses. If they do that Morgan and Stanley get all the cash towards that loan.
32P Tigerton system, 128 cores will destroy anything AMD can make. AMD Is only for up to 8P. Everyone knows that AMD is unsuitable for high end workloads. That's why their market share is crashing. If it continues as is by the end of Q4'07 AMD will have 1% market share left. Pathetic.
AMD BK Q2'08.
The good "doctor" is excited over a motherboard announcement? Is that really worth writing about? You can't even buy the board yet. I just have this mental image of some Asian dude puffin on a fat one while staring at that release announcement and just saying "Woah" over and over again. I think it was a slow news day and he felt obligated to post something. Anything to keep the sheep in line.
There is already a tigerton board recently announced and there have already been older ones already dummy.
The Intel fanboys keep chanting their mantra, but they fail to acknowledge one simple fact. The ancient Intel FSB is inadequate and will not scale. Abinstein has already demonstrated that it is currently a severe bottleneck in Intel's current generation hardware.
The Intel fanboys dismiss Barcelona as too little, too late, but anyone who is informed knows it is a superior chip sitting on a superior platform. Intel is not moving away from the FSB until 2009. Barcelona isn't late, it's early! Barcelona will beat Intel's fastest chip by 40%. We are talking real world performance, not just meaningless benchmarks. AMD's platform will continue to scale and Intel will be dead in the water until 2009.
AMD fanboys talk about the "FSB bottleneck" when none exists. The QX6800 on desktops frags 4x4 all over, despite using a FSB. AMD is dead in the water.
Barcelona is too little too late when compared with Clovertown and Tigerton. All this already frags AMD but Intel has Penryn coming this year as well.
AMD will have 1% market share left by the end of Q4'07 and will have have lost another $1bn by then. Meanwhile Intel will post large profits and take more market share.
AMD BK Q2'08.
AMD is finished. They're posting losses every quarter and with K10 already pre-fragged by Clovertown, it's too little too late.
Tigerton: Up to 32P, 128 cores at up to 2.93Ghz coming in Q3'07.
128 cores share a 1333MHZ FSB, each core gets 10 MHZ. Intel people so retarded.
The Ph(ake)d talking about retardation?
How about claiming Intel bankrupt in Q2 08.
Thats not just retarded, its FUCKING retarded.
Almost time for you to get a new gig Ph(ake)d.
Isn't it amazing how even with the "ancient" FSB Intel uses, it frags AMD's latest and greatest.
128 cores share a 1333MHZ FSB, each core gets 10 MHZ. Intel people so retarded.
Oops, you did it again! Clueless doctor at his best. What makes you think that the 128 cores share a single FSB. Moron!
Yes. He's got it exactly right. When a Tigerton 32P server is built, it only uses 1 FSB.
Oops. Stepping back to reality, each socket has it's own FSB. Up to 32 seperate FSBs then.
Good grief, what will the AMD fanboys do next year when Intel ditches the FSB has a "native quad core" design? They'll have nothing to talk about! (Except for AMD's impending BK of course!)
Up to 32, up to 32, up to 32. Where are the 8P, 16P, 32P Opteron systems? I thought HT had some mystic powers.
Those EATX boards with multiple cpu sockets always make me drool even though I have no use for one whatsoever of course.
They are pretty impressive beasts.
he said:
> Up to 32, up to 32, up to 32. Where are
> the 8P, 16P, 32P Opteron systems?
> I thought HT had some mystic powers.
From the second: scaling up to 32 processors across eight chassis, ie a cluster of 4P computers.
The third is more of the second.
The first uses a crossbar switch (i.e. poor man's HT) to achieve a probably similar system (I could not determine the precise architecture from the PR trash on the site).
32P x86. Only on Intel AMD is for ultra-low-end crap only. AMD only has dual core. Quad core is an Intel exclusive. AMD's quad core is vaporware. Only running at 1.6Ghz. Intel has quad core 3Ghz shipping NOW.
AMD is finished. 1% market share by the end of Q4'07. They'll lose more money by then too. Over another $1BN.
AMD BK Q2'08.
AMD is so desperate to sell processors it's giving away free games and USB flash drives:-
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3044668&sku=CP2-AM2-5400%20P&SRCCODE=WEBDIGG
Not a bad deal.
Plenty of idiots around here who don't know that IBM and Unisys offered 32P Xeons since 2002.
wakakakka..
Barcelona is going to be an overclockable part. Even at 2.8 GHz to 3 GHz this processor won't have any TDP dissipation limitations.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1569&Itemid=1
Barcelona 2.8Gzh will be more than enough to frag intel Penisryn 3.33Gzh by 40%.. Hehe.. ;-)
Incorrect. Clovertown 2P server frags Barcelona by 30%. http://www.uberpulse.com/us/2007/05/intel_responds_to_amd_barcelona_has_a_problem_you_better_fix_it_before_you_ship.php
Not to mention that you can actually buy Clovertown today. Not like AMD vaporware.
engineerng model Barcelona possibly clocked only 1.8Gzh frogging Intel Xeon 5350 2.66Gzh by 26.6%
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1807-view-AMD-barcelona-benchmark.html
pezal
"engineerng model Barcelona possibly clocked only 1.8Gzh frogging Intel Xeon 5350 2.66Gzh by 26.6%"
had you read earlier posts on Scientias blog you'd know that the analysis done there (and pretty much everywhere else) is wrong. If it really was Barcelona then per-core it would be much slower than my e6300. Fact is that it is at best some 4x4 system with lowe clocked FX CPUs. Even Scientia knows that.
Unfortunately these 8X Opteron-systems scale very bad.
The german magazine iX tested an 8X dual-core Opteron-system in April 06 with SPECfp_rate2000. The OS (SUSE Linux enterprise) supported memory-affinity so that there are almost "only" coherency-broadcasts across the HTr-network.
The whole system scaled with 46% ...
The facts are clearly established: 8 Xeon cores fragging 16 Barcelona cores. They showed off the fastest Barcelona they could produce for the show. Even if AMD somehow magically make Barcelona twice as fast, 8 Xeon cores would still frag 8 Barcelona cores. Pathetic.
Look at these pathetic '45W' TDP AMD processors in energy efficiency:-
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3003&p=9
Using more power under full load than Intel's 65W TDP processors. Clearly, AMD is trying to mislead the public with low TDPs that are simply false.
AMD BK Q2'08.
World’s Leading Stock Exchanges Trust AMD Opteron™ Processors for their Mission-critical Trading Platforms
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~117970,00.html
“Trading over 2.3 billion shares daily valued at nearly $87 billion, NYSE Group exchanges require the industry’s most reliable and powerful technologies, which is why NYSE Euronext has made AMD Opteron processors a critical cornerstone of our IT strategy,” said Steve Rubinow, CTO, NYSE Euronext. “In the face of ever-increasing growth and customer requirements, the performance and reliability of AMD Opteron processors have helped us to continue our reign as a leading securities trader.”
And wouldn't you know it, AMD is on the NYSE and Intel is on Nasdaq.
Shocking.
Intel Xeon is 3 -> 5X faster than Opteron:
http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2007/march/international_truck.html
"In our testing of the Altix XE cluster — an identical configuration to International Truck's system — a 3-5X performance gain was achieved over the AMD Opteron system that were benchmarked against, running MSC.Nastran," said Don Coburn, director of HPC solutions for Hoff and Associates.
32 is 32, glued or not. Why can't AMD?
So Sharikou if that's high end, then Tigerton must be really "knock your socks off!" type high end yeah?
Up to 32P, 128 cores at up to 2.93Ghz coming in Q3'07. AMD is only for low end crap.
Do you know how hot 8 4Way FSBs will be? Barcelona should crack the Top 20 TPC-C at 16Way (but only when the HT3 server chipset hits).
Intel Xeon is 3 -> 5X faster than Opteron:
http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2007/march/international_truck.html
"In our testing of the Altix XE cluster — an identical configuration to International Truck's system — a 3-5X performance gain was achieved over the AMD Opteron system that were benchmarked against, running MSC.Nastran," said Don Coburn, director of HPC solutions for Hoff and Associates.
I didn't see any evidence of what either system's configuration was so as the Brood says,
FAIL
Christian M. Howell
"Do you know how hot 8 4Way FSBs will be?"
No, I don't but I'd like to see some information about it. You seem to know, please share.
"Barcelona should crack the Top 20 TPC-C at 16Way (but only when the HT3 server chipset hits)."
So their current DC architecture doesn't cut it?
"I didn't see any evidence of what either system's configuration was"
I found their possible configuration:
http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/xe/configs.html
In short up to 8 cores and 32GiB RAM per node, up to 288 nodes in total. That is up to 2304 cores and more than 10TiB of RAM for the entire cluster. Does anyone have anything comparable from AMD?t
"Do you know how hot 8 4Way FSBs will be?"
No, I don't but I'd like to see some information about it. You seem to know, please share.
"Barcelona should crack the Top 20 TPC-C at 16Way (but only when the HT3 server chipset hits)."
So their current DC architecture doesn't cut it?
"I didn't see any evidence of what either system's configuration was"
I found their possible configuration:
http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/xe/configs.html
In short up to 8 cores and 32GiB RAM per node, up to 288 nodes in total. That is up to 2304 cores and more than 10TiB of RAM for the entire cluster. Does anyone have anything comparable from AMD?t
First, I believe XBit or Extremetech had a look at it and noted a lot of power for the Tigerton 2P. 4P will be extremely power hungry. Intel's chipsets are always hungry like that.
If you look at some of the Cray clusters, I'm sure you'll find at least the same density.
The current DC isn't the problem it's the fact that HT3 allows for Lin unganging which double the links and halves the bit-width.
This allows for 1Hop 32Way. Without it, Opteron suffers from NUMA hop issues above 8P (increased snooping).
L3 will alleviate this somewhat but the real HPC apps will love the 3.2GHz HT.
Another moron AMD fanboi, Ph(ake)d lackey joins the fray...
First, I believe XBit or Extremetech had a look at it and noted a lot of power for the Tigerton 2P. 4P will be extremely power hungry. Intel's chipsets are always hungry like that.
Liar.
The first uses a crossbar switch (i.e. poor man's HT)
AMD fan puts foot in mouth.
AMD cpu's have a crossbar switch in them.
pezal, you're a moron for posting press releases. Those of us with a IQ over 60 will rip them apart for what they are.
Just do a google search for Itanium and stck exchnage.
All the major stock exchange trading platforms are Intel based.
Who cares if their email is running on a low end AMD box? The heavy lifting is down by Intel systems.
pezal, you're a moron for posting press releases. Those of us with a IQ over 60 will rip them apart for what they are.
Just do a google search for Itanium and stck exchnage.
All the major stock exchange trading platforms are Intel based.
Who cares if their email is running on a low end AMD box? The heavy lifting is down by Intel systems.
I did the search and only the National Stock Exchange of India came up on the first page.
NOTE, I SAID ONLY.
And to the nitwit named evil_merlin, you don't want to satrt with me f you meant me in your "another AMD fanboy" post.
I'll take you where I took the FOOLS on Tom's forumz.
Wow you're hard.
Oh guys, don't mind Barron, he's Tomshardware's local clown.
Funny, you must be using a different Google than me.
I get:
NASDAQ
Karachi
London
Brazilian
Toronto
Then there's the report about the HP Itanium servers being used in over 100 stock exchanges around the world.
Looks to me like you're the FOOL who was just taken somewhere.
It's BaronMatrix! The third most deluded AMD fanboy out there behind Sharikou and Penix, but beating out pezal and onlyamd!
Amazingly clean motherboard, Oh thats right! AMD architecture allows glueless, NUMA, HT3 fullbandwidth Data-instruction bus with minimal contention.
No wonder Intel is on full FUD attack
and are worried to the 'core'! poor old p3 pumpers, better throw some more cache into the design to kill those BMarks.
Who da leader is?
Itanium² of course (and maybe POWER6).
AMD cant compete with the big boys by using low end x86 BS.
Christian M. Howell, it's already been started.
Moronic fanbois like you make the rest of us AMD CPU users look like idiots.
Your blind support of AMD is about as dumb as a mistake as your e-thugging.
Moronic fanbois like you make the rest of us AMD CPU users look like idiots.
Your blind support of AMD is about as dumb as a mistake as your e-thugging.
Then have at thee vermin. You can't report me to anyone here so since I don't like any of you and find Sharikou rather entertaining maybe I'll spend some time here.
How many ways can you type in Itanium Stock Exchange into Google.
Now that Opteron is running more of them the fangirls are out.
I don't advocate EITHER company over the other, but Hector did't get booed out of the AntiTrust Institute for his speech.
Face it, Intel is like Tony Soprano, not like the responsible industry leader. They canceled the Sopranos.
The fact that Tyan created a new board means they believe in AMD and 10h.
Oh and the name calling won't work cause you're right I will threaten you.
ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!
http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/tpch_perf_results.asp?resulttype=noncluster
This is a link to TPC. TPC-H is a very useful benchmark and shows the superiority of Opteron 4P and Clusters.
The only reason Opteron isn't on TPC-C is because it can't scale linearly beyond 8P.
Barcelona and HT3 will fix that and I expect a 32P system to crack the Top 20.
You are the ones who can't accept the second source that IBM DEMANDED.
I would like it if they stay within 10% of each other in perf and power.
I do buy only AMD at this point but the name calling is one reason why I don't buy Intel.
I don't want to be associated with vermin.
I expect IWill to update their HT-connected 8P for 10h also.
And just so you can all be really pissed Digitimes is reporting that Phenom X2 and X4 are set to debut in November just in time for my XMas present.
ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!
ALL HAIL THE BARONMATIRXOPOLY!
Christian M. Howell
"This is a link to TPC. TPC-H is a very useful benchmark and shows the superiority of Opteron 4P and Clusters. "
Interesting that those antique FSB based solutions totally obliterate superadvanced AMD with much higher CPU count. I thought that AMD had the far superior interconnection allowing much better support for creating clusters. Guess I was wrong.
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