Sunday, June 03, 2007

Core 2 Duo user experience

There is a difference between benchmarks and user experience. Benchmarks usually test a single application on a cleanly installed system. User experience is inherently multitasking. A user may have dozens of applications open -- just check the task manager. As we have seen from users' experience on servers, Intel technology is prone to lockup under heavy load.

What about desktop? One of our readers measures power consumed by different systems while reading this blog, a very real use situation indeed for many of us here. Here are his findings of fact:

"I have a e6400 on a intel platform and a e6600 on a intel platform and a amd 4800 brisbane on a amd/ati platform and a c7 on a via platform.I have a digital watt meter that I know how to use...."

And his observation is

"My amd am2 takes 44 watts to read this blog while my e6600 and my e6400 takes 90 watts to surf this blog."

This kind of real use scenario is what really matters.

For instance, in game benchmarks, people measure the highest frame rate. But highest frame rate is not what matters. What matters is the frame rate at the most critical parts of a game. Intel CPUs may be able to run a simple scene faster. But, did Intel choke at those critical points due to the intensity of the game? No tests have done that.

88 Comments:

Blogger The Burninator said...

This Total Truth. Intel CPUs make all lockups and crashes, after all Intel Fanbois famous "Blue Screen of Death" is blue right... Just like Intel!
True user experience can only come from AMD chip. See this video for total proof: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1K2tODbLQ&mode=related&search=
At 0:41 super-high tech interface machine says: "Barcelona"! 100% proof that Barcelona CPUs power all high tech machines. It never said "Core" because those pocket-calculators always lock up.
(Hey Intellers I make describe of video since there is new technology called 'Youtube' that put videos on Internets. You cannot watch because even if Intel bloat-cancer-cache CPU did not cause make freeze computer, the FSB could not handle advance-network and video process that only Hypertransport TRUE 64 bit architecture can handle. GO BUY AMD INTEL FANYBOI TO SEE TRUTH!!).
Onto Third point: Ever seen some so-called "benchmark" where Intel CPU is winner? TOTAL LIES. Do not believe some Intel pumper that try to be 'reasonable' by saying Intel evil-cpus might be suck for real apps but are still optimized for 'benchmarks'. NO! You ever notice that fanboi sites like Anand, Tom Hardware, Hexus, puke... They all to side by side tests!! Can you not see what really happens? Evil INTEL cpu cancer-chips STEAL CYCLES from good AMD chips when they in same room! Intel can only steal from AMD to make wrong results in benchmarks. I personal talk to Hector about this total outrage of theft, and he say that new Barcelonas come with true 64-bit native-quad core protection against evil Intel stealing-chips. When Barcelonas are out, not only will they be 10 times faster while not using any power, but evil intel CPUs will all go to TRUE super-slow speed! (This is also why fan-boi 'review' sites never say that Intel CPUs lock-up, since they are stealing from good Opteron CPUs, but then freeze as soon as Opteron not in room!).

F. Intel ALREADY BK. Proven on Shakirou insight-blog.

10:30 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

As usual, Ph(ake)d has to move the goalposts.

This is what happens when you are a fanboi folks, when you are supporting the guy in second place, you do anything, incluidng using ancedotal stories from a freaking BLOG as "hard evidence".


Every post Sharikou and his poor little fanbois get more and more scared as Intel slowly (and not so slowly anymore) beat the stuffing outta AMD.

Being true fanbois they have nothing else to do but move the goalposts around, make up stories, scour the web for "AMD BEATS INTEL" stories even if it is in something as obscure as playing some game from 2000 that sold only 1000 copies, on Windows Me with the primary video disabled using only a text file dump for your evidence.

11:15 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

PS: never mind the fact that the poster of said power consumption readings gave NO information at all on the test systems. For all we know the Intel systems could have been running SLI video and 10 hard disks...

But as usual, fanbois love to leave information like FACTS out of the random posts like that...

11:18 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

Wow... this is the ultimate stupidity.
How about I share my user experience?
I have a X2 3800, and I recently just upgraded to C2D E6300. To my surprise, E6300 actually boot up faster (same amount of RAM), run games faster, at stock speed.

There are tons of other factors when you're comparing user experience. That's why they're less credible than 3rd party benchmark site.

11:20 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger He said...

Stupid antidotes.

1:16 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Hornet331 said...

omfg rofl @ burninator, thats the most fanboish post i have ever seen on the internet... intel cpus steal cpu-cycles... rofl.

1:46 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Wow, this blog just entered an endless loop. New topics are being generated from the replies of older topics. Could this be the fault of the CPU?

2:57 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger core2dude said...


Wow, this blog just entered an endless loop. New topics are being generated from the replies of older topics. Could this be the fault of the CPU?

No you can blame it on HT. The bus locking did not work properly, and hence the whole thing entered a race condition.

3:17 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Kayla said...

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9:31 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger PENIX said...

Sharikou said...
Intel CPUs may be able to run a simple scene faster. But, did Intel choke at those critical points due to the intensity of the game? No tests have done that.


The average framerate doesn't really matter if it isn't consistent. If the CPU chokes at even a single crucial point, game over.

We already know that Intel CPUs crash and burn on high load servers unlike AMD servers, which simply slow down, but keep on chuggin. If Intel CPUs are insufficient for even a menial task like gaming, what reason is left to buy Intel?

9:33 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

penix
"If Intel CPUs are insufficient for even a menial task like gaming, what reason is left to buy Intel?"

Are they insufficient? Have you seen some benchmarks showing the framerate graph over some time period? If yes, please link to it. I know some sites show these but I haven't got time to look for them now.

11:53 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Now Sharikou is just quoting AMD fanboys here? I guess there is a total lack of pro-AMD news lately.

Sharikou, why don't you quote one of my earlier posts? How about the one where I tested my E6600 against my 4200+ system and found that the E6600 is 40% faster in real world video encoding?

When I replaced the E6600 with a Q6600 the encoding suddenly got 70% faster. You should mention that too!

This information he's quoted is, of course, all 100% pure BS.

Here's some real data from a reputable website:-

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/core2-qx6800/index.x?pg=13

AMD BK Q2'08.

11:56 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

penix
We already know that Intel CPUs crash and burn on high load servers unlike AMD servers

oh yeh? it would be nice of you to provide a link, to "educate" the masses.

12:36 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

The popular game Company of Heroes, has a new patch out to support DX10. Awesome! We all are interested in how well the latest video cards perform in this, aren't we?

Lets see!

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/507/3/

It's not even remotely fair. Nvidia's cards completely slaughter the HD2900 XT. The 2900 is struggling to keep up with the GTS while the GTX and Ultra are in a league of their own.

AMD BK Q2'08.


oh yeh? it would be nice of you to provide a link, to "educate" the masses.


I agree. It would be nice if Penix would be so kind as to provide a link for us to see this for ourselves.

1:34 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Another interesting thing to note is the scaling. When turning on AA Ultra FPS dropped by ~23%, GTX by ~28%, GTS by ~35% and XT by 42.5%. Now please note that XT has around the same memory bandwidth as Ultra and nearly 60% more than GTS but still scales the worst of them all.

Next time they should use HW AA units and not try to replace them with shaders, it seems as it didn't pay off for them.

1:45 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

The HD2900XT is very inefficient, that much is certain. It takes a bigger hit from having AA/AF on. With a high end video card you want to play at high end resolutions and have lots of AA/AF turned on! The 2900 fails miserably in this task. I've been very happy with my 8800 GTS, and I plan on purchasing a Geforce 9 towards the end of the year.

Intel is not letting AMD up either:-

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1282&Itemid=1

Even faster CPUs coming tomorrow. 3Ghz Quad Core with 1333FSB certainly sounds very appealing. A true 4x4 killer. Wait, even the Q6600 can do that!

I run my Q6600 at those exact specifications every day. By bumping the FSB from 1066 to 1333 the high end the clockspeed is 3Ghz. It's still very cool with my nice Thermaltake hsf unit and the machine is all very quiet.

AMD BK Q2'08.

6:47 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Wooww.. Gigabyte RD790 runs four graphics cards..

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1279&Itemid=1

Gigabyte brands its board as GA-M790-DQ6 with four yet to be announced Radeon HD 2600XT with 256 MB 128 bit memory and passive cooling.

The motherboard itself supports Athlon AM2+ CPUs and Agena – Phenom X series m four DDR2 and a cheap aluminum , copper painted silent pipe cooling.

6:48 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

ATI is the first up with not one, but two new chipsets. There are places for most manufacturers to put boards based on the 780 and 790 chipsets up, most people were only expecting the 790. That board features up to 36 PCIe lanes in 2x 16 + 1x 4 configuration, or 4x 8 and 1x 4. The thought of Quad Crossfire is really tempting. The 790 has support for DDR1066, PCIe2, and is socket AM2+.


On INTEL Inside the toilet side, there is the X38 and G35. The less said about G35 the better, it is a tarted up G965 but the drivers are still broken. G965 never had working drivers for its entire life, and now G35 starts out on the wrong foot. wakakakakaa..

7:00 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

pezal
"The motherboard itself supports Athlon AM2+ CPUs and Agena – Phenom X series m four DDR2 and a cheap aluminum , copper painted silent pipe cooling."

Well, X38 supports PCIe2, DDR3 and you can actually fit two high-end GPUs on GA-X38T-DQ6 with room to spare.

Also DDR3 has been shown to run at over 2GHz with similarly clocked FSB.


"The thought of Quad Crossfire is really tempting

I'd like to see them getting two cards work together with reasnoable performance first. Besides that board has so little room on it that you'd be lucky to get four low end GPUs stuffed on it without having them burn each other.

I wonder how long those passively cooled GPUs would survive if one would fire up some 3D task on that PC ...

7:09 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

you'd be lucky to get four low end GPUs stuffed on it without having them burn each other.

Correct. You can only have four single slot graphics cards. The drivers also need to be optimized for quad GPUs. This is hard to do, as we saw with quad-sli last year.

DDR3 support on the new Bearlake chipsets as well. That is very impressive.

AMD BK Q2'08.

7:12 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Well, X38 supports PCIe2, DDR3 and you can actually fit two high-end GPUs on GA-X38T-DQ6 with room to spare.



Oh really? wow...

But,it seems like the latest Intel X38 get frogged by the old Intel slowest P965 wakakakaka.. whats a funny..

http://www.insidehw.com/content/view/62/9/1/3/

7:46 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Too bad they didn't use the latest BIOS there. That one improved the memory controller performance substantially.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2995&p=3

8:36 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger He said...

Where is the X38? Liars!

8:48 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Dr...

Why do you run your blog on Intel hardware?

9:00 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

With the latest BIOS DDR3 + the new P35 chipset delivers exactly what you would expect from a new memory and chipset combo:- slightly better performance. There's nothing earth shattering, but a slight performance gain is nothing to complain about.

9:05 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Too bad they didn't use the latest BIOS there.



You will only can see just slightly (4-8%) improvement with the new bios Mr Ho Ho.. ;-) Still, the overall far behind Nforce 680i at the same frequencies and memory was some 20% - and that is not exactly good.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39950

In summary, the performance wise of the X38 will be the same with the P965 even worse.. Ekekee.. AMD chipset is far superior for Intel chipset to compete with.. Just accept it fanboy.. ;-)

9:14 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

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10:18 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Well, actually I wasn't even talking about the performance but features. Increase of the memory subsystem performance is simply a bonus.

Where exactly did you see that 20% performance difference you were talking about? All I saw was x35 on top most of the time.

Btw, how much faster will that AMD board be when using old K8 CPUs? Of cource if you can find any links with Barcelonas I wouldn't mind reading them either :)

Also, what good is a chipset without a decent CPU to go with it?

10:22 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

ho ho
Where exactly did you see that 20% performance difference you were talking about? All I saw was x35 on top most of the time.
c'mon.. give it up fanboy! Even if AMD won in one of the benchmarks, that is sufficient to prove that AMD is better than anyone else! Even the Dr. said so!

11:44 AM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD continues it's excellent execution.

Cray shares tumble due to AMD quad core being delayed again:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070604/cray_mover.html?.v=1

1:12 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD's number two guy is dumping stock. What does that say for their outlook?

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070604/advanced_micro_devices_evp_insider_transactions.html?.v=1

2:08 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Mo said...

Henri unloads shares.....

What say you doc?
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/06/04/ap3786531.html

2:25 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Newz said...

sharikou posts ""My amd am2 takes 44 watts to read this blog while my e6600 and my e6400 takes 90 watts to surf this blog."

come now we all know the AMD sound bite - better idle power, better idle power -

well guess what, 'idle' is when the pc is not doing anything - so one can conclude that when it comes to doing nothing, AMD is better

4:24 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

Like i mentioned above now AMD will start marketing about how their CPUs conserve even less power when turned off. After all when you cant compete in performance invent something to be proud about.......


wakakakakaaka Henri is dumping stock wakakakaka.......tells something about where AMD is going.....wakakakaka......barcelona to compete with celeron end of this year wakakakaka.....

5:25 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Barcelona delayed again! kekekekekekekekekekekekekeke!

Henri Richard knows Clovertown has pre-fragged Barcelona and is selling his shares! kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke!

9:08 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

In other news 2900XT gets whipped off the floor with the latest drivers in the latest direct x10 tests.......so all those AMD fanbois claiming great performance from better drivers.....read it and weep boys.......you guys are running out of excuses.........now what the drivers were hijacked by intel????

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/507/3/

Article says: The Legit Bottom Line: The Company of Heroes DirectX 10 patch is finally here! The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT doesn't have enough muscle to beat out the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB in Company of Heroes when using the latest drivers from both companies.

wakakakakaka oh i forgot this doesnt matter since most AMD fanbois game on AMD/ATI IGPs to get that steady 20fps.....

9:16 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Don't you get it heat? LegitReviews is clearly a paid Intel pumper! kekekekekeke! kekekekekekekekekekekeke

In other news:- AMD's IGPs are so much faster than Intel's that they get 15FPS instead of 10FPS when playing the latest games at 640x480 with all the visual settings set to the lowest possible settings. Wow! kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekek!

There are finally some Barcelona benches out there too! http://www.steelform.com/barcbench2.html
kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke

AMD BK Q2'08! kekekekekekekeke!

9:46 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

In other news:- AMD's IGPs are so much faster than Intel's that they get 15FPS instead of 10FPS when playing the latest games at 640x480 with all the visual settings set to the lowest possible settings. Wow! kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekek!

Yes those extra 5FPS makes a big difference but only when AMD is concerned but when Core 2 Duo beats k8 by 40 fps all of a sudden that doesnt matter.......wakakakakak....pathetic..

10:24 PM, June 04, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

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12:17 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

what is up with the word "kekekekekekekekekekekeke!", and "wakakakakakakakakakakaka"?

its really irritating by the way..

12:19 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

it's simply a form of Leetspeak, you know the language mostly used by teenagers when they play against eachothers in online games. I can only conclude those guys are simply youngsters who think they can impress people by using such language.

1:02 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

I have no idea what 'kekeke' or 'wakakaka' actually mean. Pezal keeps using them in his pro-AMD ramblings so I decided to see what some of my posts look like with a few random 'kekeke's thrown around.

AMD BK Q2'08.

1:12 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Good news everyone! AMD processors pawn intel processor big time.

Read this review: Athlon FX-74 is waaay better than intel Quad 2Core

Giant said...
Barcelona delayed again! kekekekekekekekekekekekekeke!


Look above kid, AMD is already fragging what ever intel has to offer. By the way theres no word "keke" in english. Its "hehe".

Oh wait, i forgot - intel fans do not go to high school.

1:30 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Heat said...
Yes those extra 5FPS makes a big difference but only when AMD is concerned but when Core 2 Duo beats k8 by 40 fps all of a sudden that doesnt matter.......wakakakakak....pathetic..


Relax. AMD is fraggin intel already, no need for extra 5fps.
This result proves it: Opteron @ 3.0GHs has SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 48.2 (!)

Versus intel Xeon @ 2.66GHz - SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 25.3
It is clear that AMD has almost 70% advantage at the same clock speed


Now what were you saying mr. Heat?
Thats right - eat that you "keke" guy - SPEC DON'T LIE!

1:47 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Curent Opteron processors are freggin due to its superior architecture - tomorows Phenoms will eat intel 6GHz CPUs for launch.

1:48 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

AMD today announced an expansion of its Embedded Solutions offerings to include the new AMD Sempron Processor Model 2100+ and the AMD Geode LX 800 @ 0.9W Processor, which can now support designs to be deployed in harsh temperature environments.

THATS RIGHT. AMD has .9 Watt CPUs that can match performance of Core2Duo processors made by chipzilla.

I'm sure Barcelona will be .1 Watt at the most.

1:52 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

waraxe
Read this review: Athlon FX-74 is waaay better than intel Quad 2Core

Funny. How come FX-74 only won in two of the benchmarks, while others were claimed by QX6700? Please keep in mind that FX-74 consumes almost twice the energy as QX6700.

waraxe
Now what were you saying mr. Heat?
Thats right - eat that you "keke" guy - SPEC DON'T LIE!

This is more pathetic. Those systems are not even configured fairly. AMD has 16GB of memory, running at 3.0Ghz, while Intel only has 4GB of memory, running at 2.6Ghz.

SPEC is a memory bandwidth intensive application. AMD always has considerable advantage in SPEC due to their Direct Connect design. However, it just means that AMD systems' memory bandwidth is higher than Intel's. However, this does not translate into "AMD roxorz , and Intel sux".

waraxe
Curent Opteron processors are freggin due to its superior architecture - tomorows Phenoms will eat intel 6GHz CPUs for launch.
AMD's Direct Connect Architecture has the definite advantage in server applications. However, they're useless in desktop and mobile applications. Even after Barcelona's debut, we still might see Intel reign the desktop and mobile sector with Conroe and Penryn.

waraxe
THATS RIGHT. AMD has .9 Watt CPUs that can match performance of Core2Duo processors made by chipzilla.
I gotta hand it to you. This really gave the laugh of the day. 0.9W Geode / Sempron processor at most can only handle embedded system applications. To use that to run POV Ray? or play HL2? I really don't think so.

waraxe
I'm sure Barcelona will be .1 Watt at the most.
This also gave me a very good laugh. This statement is so stupid that I'm beginning to wonder if you're doing this on purpose.

Now, my conclusion? You need to go back to school to learn some CPU 101, before you come out and spread FUDs like your Shariboombaboom master. All of your arguments are poorly structured, poorly backed with selective facts.

Now I really feel that you and Shariboombaboom might be the same person.

2:25 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

waraxe
"This result proves it: Opteron @ 3.0GHs has SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 48.2 (!)

Versus intel Xeon @ 2.66GHz - SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 25.3
It is clear that AMD has almost 70% advantage at the same clock speed"


2P dualcore with more than twice the memory bandwdith vs 1P dualcore with 14% clock speed disadvantage gets a score that is around 90% higher. Had the CPUs been equal that should have been 100%. Linearly scaling Core2 to 3Ghz the performance increase of AMD decreases down to only 69%.

Thanks for proving the point of Core2 superiority :)

2:25 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Also I remind you that this 69% difference is still 4 cores vs 2 cores.

2:27 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Ho Ho said...
waraxe
"This result proves it: Opteron @ 3.0GHs has SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 48.2 (!)
Versus intel Xeon @ 2.66GHz - SPECfp_rate_base2006 = 25.3
It is clear that AMD has almost 70% advantage at the same clock speed"
2P dualcore with more than twice the memory bandwdith vs 1P dualcore with 14% clock speed disadvantage gets a score that is around 90% higher. Had the CPUs been equal that should have been 100%. Linearly scaling Core2 to 3Ghz the performance increase of AMD decreases down to only 69%.


It is clear that 3.0GHz Opteron is more than 90% faster

...than a Xeon at 2.66GHz. A woodcrest based Xeon too.

Ho ho, can you not read numbers to well? Please stop denying the fact that intel Core2 architecture is inferior to AMD's K8. I got facts on my side.

2:51 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

yomamafor2 said...
Funny blah. How blah FX-74 blah won in blah benchmarks, while others were blah blah QX6700? Please keep blah blah FX-74 blah blah blah QX6700.


First of all, who would listen to a guy with a nick name like yours?

Secondary: Athlon FX-74 is faster than Core2ExtremeQUAD, not i say so, a respected review site says so.

2:57 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

This just in! Most all consumers say Core2Duo suck!

[Stigmata]
Staff Sergeant

yeah all E4000 series Core 2 Duos get beaten by X2's so X2 it is, man thats fast compared to my pentium 4 4.06Ghz
(LINK)

3:01 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

NEWS!
AMD is expanding:


Computer microchip manufacturer Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) has set up an office in South Africa to strengthen its footprint in the country.


AMD chairman and chief executive Hector Ruiz said the decision to open a local office was a result of AMD's significant growth in the South African market.

"South Africa is becoming increasingly prominent in the global information technology [IT] market, and is vital to AMD's overall success." As such, he said, AMD was increasing its commitment to South Africa.

AMD would continue defining its success based on working closely with computer manufacturers, distributors, retailers, the government and end users, to ensure it was delivering solutions that best addressed local needs.

South Africa has a rapidly growing personal computer market, with about 1.8 million computers expected to be sold this year.

According to BMI-T's Quarterly Tracker Report for the fourth quarter of 2006, AMD grew twice as fast as the local market last year, showing 61.3 percent year-on-year unit growth, while the rest of the market showed 28.4 percent growth.

AMD South Africa's new manager, Imi Mosaheb, said: "As we grow [locally] we will look at how we can participate in black economic empowerment."

He said the group had a number of initiatives in the bag and would roll them out in the next few months.

AMD is running a 50 x 15 initiative to enable affordable internet connectivity to 50 percent of the world's population by 2015.

According to AMD, less than 20 percent of the world's 6 billion people currently have access to education, social and economic opportunities through the internet. Africa has 3.6 percent internet penetration, or more than 33.4 million internet users, according to statistics by Internet World, an industry website.

AMD has opened one of its first 50 x 15 internet laboratories in Gugulethu, near Cape Town. It will open computer laboratories in four more schools later this year in partnership with Nedbank.


LINK

3:04 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

waraxe
"It is clear that 3.0GHz Opteron is more than 90% faster

...than a Xeon at 2.66GHz. A woodcrest based Xeon too."


Yes, four higher clocked cores can beat two lower clocked ones. If they couldn't it would be really pathethic.


"Secondary: Athlon FX-74 is faster than Core2ExtremeQUAD, not i say so, a respected review site says so."

Ok, in how many benchmarks is FX faster than C2Q? What was the sites conclusion?

3:05 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Funny. How come FX-74 only won in two of the benchmarks, while others were claimed by QX6700? Please keep in mind that FX-74 consumes almost twice the energy as QX6700.

The difference in the photoshop test was only two seconds. The QX6800 would have made that up that margain putting it ahead of the FX-74. In video encoding the Q6600 (2.4Ghz) can frag FX-74 (3Ghz) in most (not all) cases.

3:12 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

yomamafor2 said...

what is up with the word "kekekekekekekekekekekeke!", and "wakakakakakakakakakakaka"?

its really irritating by the way..


Yes it is.....i learned it from pezal its a sarcastic mockery to his dumb posts......

AMD fans have been reduced to belligerent idiots i am talking about FPS in gaming this dude gives me Spec benchmark to show superiority......kinda expected from AMD fans.

HOHO i dont even know why you are wasting your time with waraxe. Its obvious he is just BSing around with his one picture links he cant give the actual website becuase the conclusion will clearly state that C2D whooped ass.......kinda like the doctor with his nitpicking of a single benchmark and claiming victory.......

5:57 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

heat
"HOHO i dont even know why you are wasting your time with waraxe."

All I did was using his own links to show that Core2 is superior in that specific benchmark :)

6:33 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

All I did was using his own links to show that Core2 is superior in that specific benchmark :)


Hehe.. Yeah you're rite core 2 duo is much much superior compare to what AMD have.. In fact, 2.2Gzh Barcelona will be only slightly faster than the QX6800 one.. ;-)right?

8:43 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

"pezal
"In fact, 2.2Gzh Barcelona will be only slightly faster than the QX6800 one.. ;-)right?"

If you do as waraxe did and compare 2P quadcore Barcelona against 1P quadcore Conroe then perhaps yes.

8:57 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

If you do as waraxe did and compare 2P quadcore Barcelona against 1P quadcore Conroe then perhaps yes.



I dont think AM2+ MB support 2P.. ;-) FYI, the lowest clock of Phenom X4 is 2.2Gzh..

Agena FX: 2.6-2.8Gzh (1207)
Agena X4: 2.2-2.4Gzh (AM2+)
Kuma X2 : 1.9-2.8Gzh (AM2+)

9:25 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

You were talking about Barcelona, a quadcore server chip. Also you should know that the new FX will also be 2P. I

My point was that when you compare two quadcores against one then the two will probably win most multithreaded benchmarks. That is the same point waraxe was trying to make.



My guess is that at same clock speed Barcelona will be a bit faster than Conroe on FP performance (around 10-15%) and a bit slower in INT performance, around 5-10% in 64bit and 10-15% in 32bit.

I have no ideas how will it compare against Penryn. Intel itself said that it'll have up to 60% more SpecInt_rate performance compared to Conroe, we shall see about other general applications.

9:35 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

HP says no to Intel's Turbo Memory

Another DUD!!!

10:31 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

I am sure Intel is allowed a Dud or two after the string of duds AMD has been putting forth for the last year or so......

Yeah you're rite core 2 duo is much much superior compare to what AMD have.

Finally you have started talking some sense. I am proud of you...

10:51 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Tar said...

Yo Waraxe!

Any comments on the midrange desktop E6600 fragging the highend server Opteron 2222SE in SPECfp_base2006?

Opteron 2222SE (3 GHz):
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q2/cpu2006-20070319-00687.html

E6600 (2.4 GHz):
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q1/cpu2006-20070205-00390.html

11:02 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

From Anandtech:

In fact, although we have seen DVT level chips running up to 2.3GHz, we understand there might be another silicon spin (maybe more) of Barcelona that is due later this month. If this occurs, then current rumors swirling around the trade show floor about the mass availablity of product not occuring until the fourth quarter might just be true. At this time the motherboard/chipset companies are in the process of locking down their designs and optimization of the BIOS for performance is just starting. Our early first looks at application benchmarks show a great deal promise for this processor series but nothing overwhelming or very exciting at this point in the game. We, as others, are hoping for some serious competition from AMD as this is good for the market whether you are an Intel or AMD fan. Let's just hope the Barcelona/Agena series performance comes up to speed quickly (along with supply) or AMD is going to be in real trouble heading into the critical Q3/Q4 buying season.

Barcelona delayed until Q4. Penryn will be launched in full force for desktops and servers this year, and is Q1'08 for notebooks with the new Montevita mobile platform. By the time AMD gets it's arse into gear and gets some worthwhile products out the door Intel will be ready to introduce Nehalem!

AMD BK Q2'08.

11:03 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

waraxe
First of all, who would listen to a guy with a nick name like yours?

So we start name calling each other. Very intelligent.

waraxe
Secondary: Athlon FX-74 is faster than Core2ExtremeQUAD, not i say so, a respected review site says so.

This is their conclusion.

If you are wanting to buy a quad-core machine now with no regards to upgrading to an octo-core platform later, you would be remiss to not invest in the Intel QX6700. The QX6700 is cheaper, uses much less power, and will give you marginally better performance.

When did HardOCP said, explicitly or implicitly, that AMD FX-74 is faster than QX6700? A benchmark graph from the site doesn't represent the whole. Don't get that confused, kid.

11:05 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

waraxe
This just in! Most all consumers say Core2Duo suck!

[Stigmata]
Staff Sergeant

yeah all E4000 series Core 2 Duos get beaten by X2's so X2 it is, man thats fast compared to my pentium 4 4.06Ghz(LINK)


Here comes your "omg one person said it, so everyone else must felt that way" stupidity.

How about looking at the comments below that?

[{9thInf}Yoghurt}]
lol thanks for the laugh stigmata you made my day,

a e4400, oc'd or not oc'd will eat 5200's shorts any day..well oc'd it performs very very good..go for intel i say. 65nm core pwns the old 90nm ones

While I do agree with [stigmata] that E4400 will not perform better than 4600+ at stock speed, it'll definitely outperforms it when OCed, not to mention how easy it is to OC an E4xxx.

The bottom line is, 4600+ is a better processor than E4400, but it doesn't mean Intel's top of the line processor is E4400. QX6700 already outperformed AMD's flagship at the moment, FX-74, consumed less power, dissipated less heat.

Keep up the trolling, kid.

11:11 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

penzal
Hehe.. Yeah you're rite core 2 duo is much much superior compare to what AMD have.. In fact, 2.2Gzh Barcelona will be only slightly faster than the QX6800 one.. ;-)right?

In fact? Please show me the "facts" that support your statement of "2.2Ghz Barcy will be only slightly faster than the QX6800 one".

You still have got a lot to learn, kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk

11:17 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

AMD continues to shine on execution. That's why VIP's are selling their stock holding near all time lows.


"From what information we could gather so far, it appears the upcoming product release of the HD 2600 and HD 2400 video cards from AMD/ATI are in a bit of trouble at this point. While the designs have been set and product is ready to be mass-produced, the various graphic card suppliers are waiting on final chipset silicon that is in the process of being released. We expect to see product within the next three to four weeks with performance coming in slightly below the current midrange products from NVIDIA."

11:28 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Only AMD said...

All things that glitter isn't gold!!!

Intel Core 2 Systems Shows 100% CPU Usage and Freezes
After upgrading his motherboard to a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 with 16x PCIe, this user got an unwelcome surprise when running even the smallest of programs.

http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/thread/1004381701.aspx

11:45 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger core2dude said...

Waraxe said...
Good news everyone! AMD processors pawn intel processor big time.

Read this review: Athlon FX-74 is waaay better than intel Quad 2Core


Typical AMD fanboying @$$h01e! Pulls ONE picture out of context from a review, and claims AMD supremacy. The overall review still favors QX6700, with QX6700 pulling forward in numerous benchmarks, as is exemplified here, here, here, here, and here. Note that the last one is a gaming benchmark.

This ahole probably thought that no one will be able to find the original complete review from the out-of-context picture. But you know what, people are smarter, and when you pull one benchmark out of your @$$, people get suspicious.

11:57 AM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

onlyamd,
How about this one - AMD cpu causes data corruption:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=2055894&enterthread=y

Do you beleive one users experience represents every cpu out there?

12:16 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Chuckula said...

I'll expound on Bubba's point:
only_amd: All things that glitter isn't gold!!!
First of all, that should read: All things that glitter are not gold. you illiterate fourth grader.
Secondly, had you actually read the forum that you (poorly) linked, you would have noticed that the poster's issue was with a new motherboard. In fact, the exact same CPU in an older board did not have the "bottlenecks" that he was facing.
Since you probably are not aware, a CPU needs to be plugged into a motherboard in order to receive electrical power, communicate with I/O from the user and system peripherals like the keyboard, hard drives, video cards, network; read and write to RAM; and of course to receive instructions to actually execute software. If the motherboard itself has faults, or is misconfigured, there may be serious problems with both stability and with performance. This may come as a shock to you, but if a motherboard has faults, it will also negatively affect an AMD CPU as well. This may be difficult to believe for a fourth grader who still believes in the tooth fairy, but AMD CPUs are not magical, and they need the same supporting components as Intel CPUs in order to actually do anything useful.
Now, I am almost certain that Penix, Pezal, or one of 'Dr.' Sharikou's other multiple-personalities will soon chime in that only Intel motherboards ever have problems. So here is a properly hyperlinked forum post where an AMD system is freezing. Now, as a person who may not be a genius, but does understand enough logic to be able to operate pants, I can confidently state that a single problem with a motherboard for an AMD CPU is not proof in any way that AMD CPU's "freeze up" and cannot be used. This is the difference between an illiterate fanboy and someone who actually uses computers.

12:30 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

"if a motherboard has faults, it will also negatively affect an AMD CPU as well."

The problem is motherboard affects Core 2 Duo's performance more than it does K8.

12:55 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

"From Anandtech: ..."

Read my blog ... :-)

1:01 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Thanks chuckula, you made my point better than I did.

4:54 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger core2dude said...


The problem is motherboard affects Core 2 Duo's performance more than it does K8.

Ha!! Who would have guessed? So, I guess if I break the motherboard into half, would K8 still keep functioning?

How generic claims you fanbois make with complete disregard for sanit!

5:01 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

abinstein
The problem is motherboard affects Core 2 Duo's performance more than it does K8.
Care to provide a link?

Theoretically speaking, AMD's processor should affect more by the motherboards than Intels. The Direct Connect Architecture is a very sophisticated, delicate architecture, that requires everything to run in harmony, in order to perform well. Proof? Look at how RAMs affect AM2s.

I'm too lazy to provide the links, but this is supposedly a common sense, that AMD's processor will under-perform if paired with lower clocked RAM. If you want me to provide links, please tell me.

Using the same logic above, one can also conclude that the quality of the chipset, or motherboard, will affect AM2 greatly.

6:12 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...


The problem is motherboard affects Core 2 Duo's performance more than it does K8.


Do you have even the slightest bit of proof to support this?!

AMD BK Q2'08.

6:44 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Giant said...
The problem is motherboard affects Core 2 Duo's performance more than it does K8.
Do you have even the slightest bit of proof to support this?!
AMD BK Q2'08.


A: AMD CPU's has parts of motherboard functions incorporated on the die thus, with AMD, things depend more on CPU than a motherboard. And CPU's get tested way better than motherboards.

B: AMD isn't going to BK in a year. Furthermore, stating that it will makes you look like a high school kid, thats all it does.

9:56 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

azmount aryl
AMD isn't going to BK in a year. Furthermore, stating that it will makes you look like a high school kid, thats all it does.

oh yeh? our most educated, most intelligent, and always right Doc has been saying the same thing about Intel all along...

10:04 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD is indeed going BK in Q2'08. Go to the AMD investor relations site and look at the latest report from AMD. Look under 'cash position'. That's how much cash AMD has. They are posting losses in excess of $500m each quarter and losing large chunks of market share. Now, Barcelona delayed until Q4 according to the latest rumors. That would explain a lack of Barcelona benchmarks at Computex.

How do you expect AMD to survive? Intel is relentless, they are further cutting prices in July and continue to post large profits in excess of $1bn each quarter. Intel is willing to sacrifice some profit in order to make AMD post larger and larger losses.

10:19 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

yomamafor2 said...

oh yeh? our most educated, most intelligent, and always right Doc has been saying the same thing about Intel all along...


If you are of such low impression about Sharikou, then why are you posting here at all?

I wouldn't post on blogs that are made by people who i don't respect - i have a self respect.

Intel = suck. Go with AMD and get a bunch!

11:20 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Giant said...
Now, Barcelona delayed until Q4 according to the latest rumors. That would explain a lack of Barcelona benchmarks at Computex


And here AMD said that it isn't delayed at all - LINK to CNET NEWS....

Their word override yours. Also get a life and stop jacking off on this blog.

11:23 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

waraxe is a fool. Here's are some good comments from the Toms Hardware Forumz:

If Budapest is delayed (as Mr. Hughes stated), how does this not affect Barcelona?

Point being, that both Barcelona and Budapest are based off the same architecture, why would a single socket CPU be delayed, while a multi-socket version (which needs tighter validation) not be delayed?

It sounds like Mr. Hughes gave a guarded answer, in my opinion. Which is fine, but when a single socket solution CPU is delayed, I still don't see how it won't affect the multi-socket version. Especially since they are based off the same architecture and process in the fab.

Another comment:

Yup, that's my thinking as well.

Budapest and Barcelona aren't scheduled for a Q2 release, but a Q3/Q4 release. So why announce a delay, if only to cover themselves, since Cray was first to state the obvious delay, which would've been linked to AMD.


In other words, Hector Ruiz has said "late summer" (August) for K10. That is the earliest you should expect it. I suspect it will be delayed again.

Of course, none of this really matters. Clovertown has already pre-fragged Barcelona.

1:35 AM, June 06, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...


Giant said...

waraxe is a fool. Here's are some good comments from the Toms Hardware Forumz:
Of course, none of this really matters. Clovertown has already pre-fragged Barcelona.



This test shows that Athlon FX-74 is better at the same clock speed then Core2Quad Extreme XQ6700. Should i even say that NO INTEL SYSTEM has quad SLI support while FX-70/72/74 does? This only proves that people who go with intel do get underperforming CPU with half the GPU horsepower.

Think next time you say something bad about AMD.

One can only imagine how will Barcelons going to frag Core2Quad if FX-70/72/74 does stick it bad to intel CPUs already.

11:16 PM, June 06, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Of course you can use SLI on an Intel rig. The requirements are the same for both Intel and AMD systems, that is:

1) A big enough PSU to handle two video cards

2) Two Geforce video cards that are the same model (7600 GT etc)

3) A motherboard with an nforce chipset and dual PCI-E slots

Those requirements are universal to both Intel and AMD. You can't run SLI on an Intel chipset nor on an AMD/ATI chipset.

8:56 AM, June 07, 2007  
Blogger Joshua said...

No seriously, but who really NEEDS such high end hardware. I run a 4800 X2 and a GX2. It's overkill and it's true. Unless your game runs at 8 fps max settings with the best hardware X2 then I see no reason to debate.

2:05 AM, June 18, 2007  

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