Friday, June 01, 2007

K10 Motherboard with HT 3.0 PCIE2.0 ready to frag Intel

The GigaByte MB is about to be introduded. All we are waiting for is the killer itself.

Intel's middle east team is patiently waiting for pink slips. You can feel the anxiety there.

73 Comments:

Blogger The Burninator said...

This is END for Intel Evil!

There are 4 facts of Intel that none can ever deny:

1. INTEL makes ALL CANCER IN WORLD! The evil FSB of bloated chips radiates cancer causes. Intel even admits cancer: HERE.
Exlpoding laptop batteries are caused by the cancer waves as Sharikou undeniably proved.

2. AMD will CURE ALL CANCER. This is undeniable proven. AMD has cured Lance Armstrong of all cancer that Intel gave him!
see Armstrong being cured of all cancer by AMD chips!
Oh, you evil Intel fanbois say, why give Cancer to Armstrong? Ha Ha, so obvious, he use a BIKE to go so fast it make the primitive Intel BUS system seem slow, so they try to kill him! Heroic AMD save the day. Opterons cure cancer, Barcelona is proven to cure AIDS!

3. AMD will SOLVE Grobal Walming!! The evil fabois at pro-Intel site like Anand and totally fake 'Doctor' Tom use power meters that are cheating by optimize for Intel evil CPU. The power meters intentionally LIE about the fact that INTEL chips use WAY more power. But it is even worse, since they also LIE about AMD chips!! The Barcelona archictecture is SO advance (10 generations ahead of INTEL) that it MAKE power. This is proven in laptops that AMD gives away to poor countries for free to save the world. AMD will produce so MANY Barcelonas by 2008 that every poor child will have a laptop with a Barcelona that will educate AND POWER FULL VILLAGE WITH 0 POLLUTION!!! Evil Intel wants to stop this so it can make cancer instead!!

5. INTEL IS ALREADY BK!!! Do not believe some fanboi that says Intel makes money, or even paid Intel shill that try to be 'reasonable' by saying Intel BK in Q2 '08. Intel ALREADY BK, they just used last of money from Evil P4 cancer-chips to pay off pumpers on 'news' sites like CNN to lie and say they make money. Any intelligent person could see that Intel is 10 generations back of AMD how could they ever make any money? Total unpossibility!!

Once you learn truith, only then can you be truly objective industry analyst like Shakirou.

1:56 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...

Has any one noticed the push of Pentium D chips by several vendors includimg Dell in Laptops and Desktops ???

2:09 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

Sharikou
All we are waiting for is the killer itself.
....and when will that be?

2:23 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Bubba said...

Even AMD says it's cpu's are not suitable for power users.

Report right on AMD's web site. Read the first linked pdf.

Exact quote: "To this point, we currently do not recommend AMD-based systems for power users"

http://enterprise.amd.com/us-en/AMD-Business/Business-Solutions/Client.aspx

3:35 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

That's a good one bubba!

All these AMD fanboys are living in a delusional state. They state there is some massive conspiracy; Intel paying off all tech enthusiast sites? Ridiculous. Then they claim that "AMD is fast enough" or "C2D is only optimized for benchmarks" how truly pathetic.

Intel has the faster CPUs, the most advanced 65nm and 45nm processes in the world and is taking market share from AMD and remaining very profitable. AMD is losing market share and cash.

As we can see, these AMD fanboys have nothing to talk about other than how C2D cheats in benchmarks somehow. Well, either that or the evil FSB. ;-0

In DivX video encoding my E6600 is over 40% faster than my old 4200+ AMD system. The 4200 processor also cost me in excess of $530 when new. The E6600 was only $320.

C2D rules. Clovertown and Woodcrest rule. AMD is too far behind now.

Penryn will hit this year and increase Intel's performance lead by another 40%. But, if that wasn't enough, they also have the brand new Nehalem architecture coming next year!

As Pat Gelsinger said, "Barcelona is too little too late."!

AMD BK Q2'08.

7:57 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

Who cares about this crappy motherboard? It's meant to be for enthusiasts, but it doesn't even support SLI. Everyone knows that for maximum graphics performance you want (or need!) two 8800 video cards in SLI.

AMD BK Q2'08.

8:02 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Tovan said...

Who cares about this crappy motherboard?

only you it seems.

It's meant to be for enthusiasts, but it doesn't even support SLI.

No It support Crossfire which is better.

Everyone knows that for maximum graphics performance you want (or need!) two 8800 video cards in SLI.


You mean AMD 2900 XT ,not to mention the soon coming AMD 2950 XTX.

Intel BK Q2'08.

9:02 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Evil_Merlin said...

the burninator... dude man I was laughing so hard I made my jaw ache. That was great.

9:39 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

Barcelona is fragged! By . . . the dual Opteron! http://www.overclockers.com/tips01161/

As Pat Gelsinger said, "Barcelona is too little too late."!

No It support Crossfire which is better.

Rubbish. The HD2900XT is left to compete with only the 8800 GTS. It can't touch the GTX or Ultra.

HardOCP had to say this about the HD2900XT:

“A day late and a dollar short.” Cliché but accurate. The Radeon HD 2900 XT is late to the party and unfortunately is bringing with it performance that cannot compete. The GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB is $50 cheaper, performs better, and draws a lot less power than the 2900 XT.
This doesn’t even bring into the equation the GeForce 8800 GTX which outclasses the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT on every front. Yes, it costs about $130 more, but that $130 buys you a lot more performance in games. It is sad that ATI does not have a GPU to compete with the GeForce 8800 GTX.

At this point NVIDIA has, dare I say it, a monopoly over the high-end of computer gaming video card market. If you want the best gaming performance, it is still the GeForce 8800 GTX. The GTX has no competition.


coming AMD 2950 XTX

Oh this is good. Who really cares? They still have to make up the rather large performance lead Nvidia already has with the 8800 Ultra.

Nvidia has already confirmed that it's next generation GPU, the Geforce 9 (G92) will be here before Christmas.

It's also quite likely that they'll have a 65nm shrink of G80 around the August time frame as a nice product refresh to keep people happy until the Geforce 9 is here.

Ati was seven months late with an inferior product. It shows.

AMD BK Q2'08.

9:45 PM, June 01, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

SUN X2200 M2 tortoising the IBM X3650 2.66GHz quad core Clovertown across the board at all cpu levels and for all test cases.

http://blogs.sun.com/bmseer/entry/sun_fire_x2200_m2_running

12:54 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

AMD teh PawnS intel. Let the truth to be told: AMD Athlon x2 is FASTER at the same clock speed - AMD = 15.2 vs. intel = 13.2

3:39 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Randy Allen said...

That's a good one bubba!

All these AMD fanboys are living in a delusional state. They state there is some massive conspiracy; Intel paying off all tech enthusiast sites? Ridiculous. Then they claim that "AMD is fast enough" or "C2D is only optimized for benchmarks" how truly pathetic.


Your in denial! AMD CPUs frag intel's like nothing to do! Here's proof:

Athlon FX-62 is 26% faster than Core2 QUAD! QX6700

AMD always fragged intel, stop being a kid and look at the facts.

3:50 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

netrama said...

Has any one noticed the push of Pentium D chips by several vendors includimg Dell in Laptops and Desktops ???


HAHA!! Dell went 75% AMD this quarter, look at all AMD beauty they sell:
Dimension e521
Dimension c521
OptiPlex 740
Inspiron 1501
Latitude 131L
Latitude D531

Technically all they sell is AMD.

AMD OWNZ intel.

4:01 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Vitalik.ru said...

I just found this page and it really shows how good AMD architecture is. Dig in.

(from the review)
AMD’s dominance continues at the mainstream level, though its margin of victory shrinks somewhat.
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_cpu_performance/page4.asp

4:23 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

Core 2 Duo E6300 frags Quad FX:

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/core2-qx6800/sandra-mm-int.gif

The QX6800 is over 3x faster than TWO of AMD's fastest CPUs.


HAHA!! Dell went 75% AMD this quarter, look at all AMD beauty they sell


No wonder Dell is losing market share, as is AMD. AMD lost 6% of market share last year. From 25 down to a meagre 19%.

6:04 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Randy Allen said...
Core 2 Duo E6300 frags Quad FX:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/core2-qx6800/sandra-mm-int.gif
The QX6800 is over 3x faster than TWO of AMD's fastest CPUs.
HAHA!! Dell went 75% AMD this quarter, look at all AMD beauty they sell
No wonder Dell is losing market share, as is AMD. AMD lost 6% of market share last year. From 25 down to a meagre 19%.



HAHAHAH! This just shows how little you know. AMD OWNZ intel all across the board.

Learn from me while you can. Here, use this web site to adjucate yourself:
FX-62 @ 2.8 is faster than Core2Extreme@ 2.93

You simply not smart enought to understand that AMD processors are faster.

6:17 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Some people on this blog don't understand simple and obvious truth - AMD's Athlon processor include technologies that make much faster than this Core2Duo processors by intel. Technologies such as 'cool'n'quite', HyperTransport, integrated memory controller capable of providing memory bandwidth as much as 3 times bugger than that of a top end intel system (3200MHz bus on athlon FX-70/72/74 vs. 1066MHz bus on Core 2 QUAD).

This is why AMD wins all the benchmarks. They are soo much better. Get a clue intel-lovers!

6:27 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

This just in! Athlon 4000+ @ 2.1Ghz is just 2-4% slower than intel's top end Core2Extreme processor!

Look at this pic's, they prove it! And all that performance is just at a fraction of Wattage of this Core2Extreme:
This pic,
and this one,
and one more
and more...

To all gamers AMD brand means - BETTER/SMARTER CHOICE. Don't be left behind.

6:43 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

This just in! Athlon 4000+ @ 2.1Ghz is just 1-3% slower than AMD's top end FX62 processor!

Just look at the picks waraxe posted. That clearly shows that AMD doesn't scale.


Of cource there is another possibility too: those benchmarks are GPU limited.

7:08 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Another interesting thing I just found: Tera Era

This presentation talks a bit about Larrabee and other interesting things Intel has planned for the future. It is interesting to note that Larrabee is almost exactly what I predicted it to be some time ago: lots of simple cores with huge SIMD FP power combined with hardwired texture sampling units. Perfect for ray tracing. Even Intel said that in the presentation.

7:21 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Nice find hoho.
I think this thread went away from the main topic a little bit.

About this new board - why is it a Gigabyte? Why not ASUS? I mean does anyone even buys Gigabyte this days? And why do we need AM2+ board so early, are they introducing Phenoms earlier than expected? If so then this is a great news.

8:09 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Poke said...

http://www.overclockers.com/tips01161/

4P Opteron frags Dual Barcelona.

Pathetic.

9:14 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...

Pathetic. Barcelona has already been pre-fragged by Clovertown. A 3Ghz Clovertown will be more than enough to frag any Barcelona. Then when Penryn hits being 40% faster Intel will have an even larger performance lead than they currently enjoy.

AMD BK Q2'08.

11:45 AM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

The intel fanboys are right about one thing, the intel chips and platforms are way ahead of the amd systems in power consumption.
My amd am2 takes 44 watts to read this blog while my e6600 and my e6400 takes 90 watts to surf this blog.
Intel chips and platforms consume more power than any other chips and platforms I have tested.
Why with 2 c2ds you can produce enough heat to make french frys.
Those fanboys are right, intel does lead everyone else in power consumption and heat production.

1:43 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Poke said...

The intel fanboys are right about one thing, the intel chips and platforms are way ahead of the amd systems in power consumption.
My amd am2 takes 44 watts to read this blog while my e6600 and my e6400 takes 90 watts to surf this blog.
Intel chips and platforms consume more power than any other chips and platforms I have tested.
Why with 2 c2ds you can produce enough heat to make french frys.
Those fanboys are right, intel does lead everyone else in power consumption and heat production.


Got anything to back up your statement?

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=2903&p=7

Oh wait, let me guess, Anand is an Intel paid pumper, damn can't use them I guess.

You AMD fanpois are pathetic.

2:12 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Poke said...

http://www.overclockers.com/tips01161/

"Hey, these are results from AMD's Chosen Benchmark run by AMD itself. It's not my fault they reveal that Barc is just a slightly tweaked Opteron."

Clock for clock dual Barcelona only has a 5% performance advantage in floating point and 10% in integer over 4P Opterons. Mind you, these numbers are conservative because the Opterons are using a 4 socket motherboard, so we should take higher latencies into consideration.

These numbers were published by AMD themselves.

Next excuese these AMD fanpois are going to come up with, "Intel paid AMD off to make Barcelona look bad."

Pathetic.

2:18 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Kwant said...

poke said...
Clock for clock dual Barcelona only has a 5% performance advantage in floating point and 10% in integer over 4P Opterons.


Thats because 8-core Optaron system has x2 the memory bandwidth of Barcelona system.

And the fact that neather you nor the man behind the article knew about SPEC_ benches being dependant on memory bandwidth, shows that both of you are intel fanboys. Way to go guys - prove the world that intel has dumb fans - that sure will help them.

3:34 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

poke said...
You AMD fanpois are pathetic.


Your not getting it! Let me show you one more time:

Athlon FX-62 frags every Core2Duo CPU out there!
The review site have shown that AMD Athlon CPUs are way Way Faster that Core2Duo or Pendulum D made by intel. Its a proven fact now.

3:39 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

oneexpert said...
My amd am2 takes 44 watts to read this blog while my e6600 and my e6400 takes 90 watts to surf this blog.


You got a point there sir. People been saying for some time now that Core2Duo runs WAY hotter than what its TDP would suggest.

Here's one guy who found that out all on his own:
Hi, i recently built a new system with:

* Core 2 duo e6300 with stock cooling
* my old ATC case, it has no system fan but holes in it so it can breath
* GA 965P S3 motherboard (gigabye)
* 2 x 512mb 533Mhz DDR2 (PQI Powermemory) in dual channel mode
* Standard 430W Thermaltake Power Supply (has 2 fans on it, one facing outside the case, one blowing downwards in the direction of the CPU.
* X800 XT Platinum Edition Graphics card

I have been using a program called Core Temp Beta 0.9.0.91 to monitor my CPU temp and when I first started out it stayed at about 45 degrees while I was doing easy tasks like MSN, Internet, MS Word etc. After 1 week (now today) it is usually at around 50 degrees.. which I don't thing is good. When I play games etc. it show 58 on the logs and today it recorded the highest temp is has ever been in the log as 64 degrees ... I hear 60 degrees is the most you should have.
(LINK)

3:50 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

Yo "Ph"ony "D"ude you have been awful lacking in any interesting posting and then you lay this "P"ile "h"igh and "D"eep crap. Its too funny, you got a motherboard with no CPU and INTEL is quaking. Its like going to a auto show and seing some balsawood mockup of a concept car from Ford that will slay Toyota.

Sorry "Ph"ony "D"ude you are rooting for the wrong team. AMD is finished.

K10 may win a few benchmarks but it won't generate enough reveneu to pay for the Dreseden fab, 45nm development, interest on all the debt. Did you see how much Hector pulled down helping AMD lose a billion dollars this past year.

AMD is going to be right up there with Enron and Tyco

4:14 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

kwant
"And the fact that neather you nor the man behind the article knew about SPEC_ benches being dependant on memory bandwidth"

That didn't stop abinstein to use those benchmarks to compare Core2 against K8 and doing conclusions about CPU performance.


waraxe
"Athlon FX-62 frags every Core2Duo CPU out there!"

Scrolling two pictures down I see e6400 fragging every AMD CPU out there! A friggnin e6400, 2.13GHz beats 2.8Ghz. Patyhetic, isn't it?


"People been saying for some time now that Core2Duo runs WAY hotter than what its TDP would suggest"

Temperature != heat dissipation. Did you know, that average iron dissipates around ten times more heat than CPU but is not considerably hotter?

Also the high temperatures that are reported by TAT, Coretemp and few other programs are from CPU hotspots. There exists another sensor sitting somewhere between two cores that shows considerably lower temperatures. E.g for my e4300@2.9Ghz I see around 50C in hotspots and only 30C between the cores after having both cores under full load for a couple of hours.

4:39 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Kwant said...

ho ho said...
That didn't stop abinstein to use those benchmarks to compare Core2 against K8 and doing conclusions about CPU performance.


The question here is whether this benchmark alone can be used to judge about performnce of this new CPU.
The question here is NOT whether what one user (abinstain) uses this benchmark for.

Yet you think that everything that abinstain says is a fact of life and should not be questioned? Tell me, do you have experience with SPEC suit?

5:20 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Kwant said...

ho ho said...
waraxe
"Athlon FX-62 frags every Core2Duo CPU out there!"
Scrolling two pictures down I see e6400 fragging every AMD CPU out there! A friggnin e6400, 2.13GHz beats 2.8Ghz. Patyhetic, isn't it?


Are you dumb Ho ho? That review Proves that Athlon X2 > Core2Duo in any possible way. Theres no denying it now.

[/sarcasm]
No really, they hit GPU bottleneck in their review And then they decide to actually post their results (knowing they are useless).

5:28 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Poke said...

SPEC_ benches being dependant on memory bandwidth

No

5:43 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

kwant
"Yet you think that everything that abinstain says is a fact of life and should not be questioned?"

Actually I meant exactly the same as you did. I just pointed out that among other things abinstein missed the memory andwidth in his benchmark comparisons.

5:59 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

kwant
"No really, they hit GPU bottleneck in their review And then they decide to actually post their results (knowing they are useless)."

What is worst is that they actually tried to analyze the results even though they were less than 3% different. I'd call this well in the margin of error.

6:03 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger oneexpert said...

To the intel fanboys who want to know what I have to back up my statements.
I have a e6400 on a intel platform and a e6600 on a intel platform and a amd 4800 brisbane on a amd/ati platform and a c7 on a via platform.
I have a digital watt meter that I know how to use.
Here is what I dont have, I dont have internet links to articles paid for by intel.
And since none of the intel tests can be verified except those paid for and set up by intel why do you bother quoting proven liars and cheats who are taken to court on a daily basis.
The only real data to question are your intel paid for reports bought and skewed by intel spin experts.
I have real data from real watt meters on real systems not tampered with by intel.
Why would anyone believe data that they cannot verify by themselves???
One more time just for the fanboys, intel chips and platforms c2d suck more power while surfing the internet than any other chips and platforms I have tested.
No one sucks more power or genterates more heat than intel chips and platforms, buy yourself a watt meter and check your system.
AMD am2s on amd platforms have the lowest power consumption while surfing the internet, especially the brisbanes.
The highest power consumed by a dual core cpu record is held by intels d805 on a intel platform 150 watts used to surf the internet and near 200 watts used under full load.
Put another way, it costs twice as much to run a c2d and intel platform as a AMD am2 brisbane on a amd/ati platform when surfing the internet.

6:50 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger He said...

Who the hell buys a dual core to surf the net? And who the hell cares about stupid anecdotes from AMDroids?

7:56 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

This is one of the proofs to support your statement oneexepert..

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTExMSwyLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


Please keep in mind these wattages reflect NO power saving technology being used. We see that in a default idle state the Core 2 processors are very power hungry compared to the AMD Athlon processors.

8:06 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

HAHAAHHA this is soo sorry. You know AMD just came out with a new report. Not only do AMD CPUs take up much less power at idle than core 2 duo but they take even less power when turned off sitting on the shelf while the whole world buys core 2. Lets make earth happy and let the K8 sit on the shelf and conserve power.

11:47 PM, June 02, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Heat said...
HAHAAHHA this is soo sorry. You know AMD just came out with a new report. Not only do AMD CPUs take up much less power at idle than core 2 duo but they take even less power when turned off sitting on the shelf while the whole world buys core 2. Lets make earth happy and let the K8 sit on the shelf and conserve power.


That was retarded sir. By the way, Newegg just started charging money for shipping AMD processors (LINK) Because people are willing to pay More for AMD then intel CPUs.(both AMD and intel processors had free shipping on Newegg for about 7 month,until now).

And now real news:
May 30, 2007: AMD today announced an expansion of its Embedded Solutions offerings to include the new AMD Sempron Processor Model 2100+ and the AMD Geode LX 800 @ 0.9W Processor, which can now support designs to be deployed in harsh temperature environments.

The addition of these new features in AMD's broad embedded product portfolio showcases AMD's commitment to delivering processor options that address the expanding and often unique needs of the embedded market. At the same time, AMD is delivering innovation on an industry standard platform, helping shorten design cycles and time to market.

The AMD Sempron Processor Model 2100+ offers fanless system design and incorporates AMD64 technology in a 9W power envelope. This processor will provide particular advantages for designers focused on delivering high performance and functionality in single board computing and embedded client systems and is compatible with the recently announced AMD M690T chipset. It also features the high shock and vibration specification Socket S1, offering high reliability for ruggedised computing.

Full Story: br/>
Thats right intel fans: 9Watt parts are here.

12:14 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Forgot the link - LINK

12:16 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

azmount aryl
"Thats right intel fans: 9Watt parts are here."

Yes, they are. Actually they have been here for almost 9 months. Also, they perform considerably better than that sempron.

1:45 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Here are Core2 parts, though at 1W higher TDP.

2:04 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

To last few post i have only one thing to reply: Integrated Intel Graphics vs. M690T (ATI Mobility Radeon X1200)

Both versions - the higher-end 690G as well as the low-end 690V - are built in a 80 nm process by TSMC and incorporate the graphics engine of ATI’s Radeon X700 products, which are now called Radeon “X1200” series.
The chipsets will share core features – the capability to run Windows Vista Premium and all its eye candy as well as support for the Hypertransport bus and the Avivo engine, which, according to AMD, will bring increased image quality in video playback: Instead of displaying 16.7 million colors in standard processing, Avivo can pump out 1.07 billion (10-bit) colors, which results in smoother color transitions within an image. Both chipsets also share support for DirectX 9, Shader Model 2.0, acceleration for H.264 and VC-1 HD video, as well as the connected SB600 Southbridge with 10 USB and four SATA ports as well as support for PATA-based hard drives.

(LINK)

Now tell me hoho, which of those features Intel chipset that comes with that 10Watt CPU lacks?

2:43 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Where was I talking about IGPs?

2:44 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

From your last link I found this:

"We have no word on performance yet, but we do know that Crestline and Bearlake will be supporting DirectX 10 and integrate very capable graphics engines. If AMD’s current numbers are close to reality, then it looks like the company will be able to claim performance and value leadership for one or two quarters, which may be enough to capture critical market shares. However, at least on the performance side, Intel appears to be well on track to reclaim that crown in Q2 and Q3 of this year."

Is two months enough for AMD?

2:47 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

sorry about the typo, it should have been two quarters

2:47 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Ho Ho said...
Where was I talking about IGPs?


No, but I've introduced that topic as IGP is way more a part of a system in notebooks than it is in desktops. Ability to offer better platform with their 9Watt CPU will translate directly in to the marketshare for AMD.

3:05 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

ho ho said...
Is two months enough for AMD?


Do you have info saying that upcoming 'Crestline' has better graphics than 690? Intel IGP's sucked from the down of time, if you wanna claim that it will outperform AMD's THEN link us some banches - i won't bevieve it otherwise. Intel has lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago - i won't settle for anything less than solid proof (benches by multiple sources).

3:12 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

azmount aryl
"No, but I've introduced that topic as IGP is way more a part of a system in notebooks than it is in desktops. Ability to offer better platform with their 9Watt CPU will translate directly in to the marketshare for AMD."

It might be better than currently availiable Intel platforms but we know little about its future products. What we do know is they should have more features than AMD's, starting with shader model 4 support.


"Do you have info saying that upcoming 'Crestline' has better graphics than 690?"

If one definition of "better" is "more features" then definitely yes, Intel will have better IGP solution in making. Performance wise we don't know yet but my guess is this should be quite a bit better than their older things.


"Intel IGP's sucked from the down of time"

Are you saying that because older IGPs sucked the new one will suck too? Does that mean Core2 sucks really bad also since P4 was that bad?


"if you wanna claim that it will outperform AMD's THEN link us some banches - i won't bevieve it otherwise."

I can ask the same from you, prove that AMD's solution is better than Intels. You can't do it, I can't do it. We'll just have to wait and see. Though for some reason that link you provided told that Intel should regain performance crown with it. If the data you linked is credible then I guess they are right.


"Intel has lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago - i won't settle for anything less than solid proof"

I can say exactly the same about AMD. Their biggest mistakes was when they promised to launch entire R600 product line at once just a few weeks before the hd 2900XT launch and 2400/2600 paperlaunch. They seem to have quite a few problems with fulfilling their promises lately.

3:23 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

I can ask the same from you, prove that AMD's solution is better than Intels. You can't do it, I can't do it.


I can do it.. Here is the benchmark shows how superior the AMD's IGP compare to Intel solutions..

http://www.techpowerup.com/printreview.php?id=/AMD/690_Chipset

4:49 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Tar said...

Waraxe said...

AMD teh PawnS intel. Let the truth to be told: AMD Athlon x2 is FASTER at the same clock speed - AMD = 15.2 vs. intel = 13.2

Yo Waraxe!

Here are some Woodcrest results AT THE SAME CLOCK SPEED:

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q1/cpu2006-20070123-00310.html

Also, here's an E6600:

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q1/cpu2006-20070123-00310.html

That's right, 600 MHz slower and still scores better:

SPECfp_base2006 = 14.3 for Opteron 2222SE

SPECfp_base2006 = 14.5 for E6600

4:53 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Tar said...

The correct link to the E6600 result is:

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2007q1/cpu2006-20070205-00390.html

4:56 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

pezal
"I can do it.. Here is the benchmark shows how superior the AMD's IGP compare to Intel solutions.. "

I was talking about the performance of upcoming Intel IGP called Q35/Q33. You didn't provide links to that one, only the ancient 965. Come back if you have the data for the new IGP.

5:03 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

AMD's IGPs are junk. Not even fully Direct-X 9.0C compatible. No shader model 3 support anywhere. For that you need an Nvidia or Intel IGP.

5:18 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

The AMD 690 chipsets are fully Vista certified, with drivers being available today. The integrated graphics can run the new Aero interface without problems. In the Vista Premium Compliance Test, even a Turion 64 platform in single channel mode can score well over the 1600 points required for Vista Premium certification.

The rubbish one you should say is the Intel IGPs. Not even vista compatible. Intel IGP is far behind AMD's IGP.. Intel Q35/Q33 will be the same performance with the junk 965 one.. Wakakakakaka... AMD is the smarter choice.

6:11 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

pezal
"Not even vista compatible"

Prove it.

Btw, when will there be a new DX10 level IGP from AMD?

6:14 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

My laptop has Vista Business running just fine on the GMA950 graphics. That's with all the Aero stuff on. That's with a 2Ghz Core 2 Duo CPU; more than enough to frag any Turdion CPU.

6:33 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Prove it.

Ekekee.. Here read this Intel guy blog, Mr Ho Ho..

http://softwareblogs.intel.com/2007/05/07/update-on-the-915-graphics-wddm-vista-driver-issue/

6:55 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Wow, nice going. First compare performance against 965 and then compability against 915. AFAIK Intel never said that 915 would support Aeroglass.

7:18 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

Btw, how many of these ssupport Areroglass?

7:21 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

No shader model 3 support anywhere. For that you need an Nvidia or Intel IGP



Wakakaka.. I think the one that doesnt support Shader model 3 are the Intel IGPs.

GMA X3000

Note: T&L and Vertex Shaders 3.0 is still not supported by Intel device drivers either in Windows XP or Windows Vista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA

7:52 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Like the GMA 900, the GMA 950 also lacks Hardware Transform and Lighting technology, which reduces performance and in many instances, compatibility for many 3D graphics applications and games. The 950 will run perfectly most older games that do not require a Hardware T&L. The 950 outperforms the GMA 900, but falls behind the ATI Radeon Xpress 200[citation needed]. It is adequate for 2D applications (such as watching movies) and basic 3D applications, but much less suited for high-end gaming.

8:04 AM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

Azmat Bagatoff says:That was retarded sir.

Yep almost as retarded as your clockspeed point at scientia's except i was joking around and you were actually serious.....

By the way, Newegg just started charging money for shipping AMD processors (LINK) Because people are willing to pay More for AMD then intel CPUs.(both AMD and intel processors had free shipping on Newegg for about 7 month,until now).

When you are having a yard sale and selling processors for peanuts you have to try and make money some how.......

1:01 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger He said...

It is adequate for 2D applications (such as watching movies) and basic 3D applications, but much less suited for high-end gaming.

Obviously. Wow, sub 25 FPS on 640x480, you're really gaming with AMD IGP.

1:40 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Heat said...

hahahah dats blistering speed for AMD fanbois who like gaming and processing things with equipment which is just barely good enough to do the job.

2:01 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Obviously. Wow, sub 25 FPS on 640x480, you're really gaming with AMD IGP.

Exactly. I have stated this before, IGPs are not good enough for gaming unless you play older games at low resolutions.

The latest Intel IGP (X3000) is shader model 3 compliant and does it all in hardware. Not that this really matters, they're still not any good for playing games.

7:54 PM, June 03, 2007  
Blogger Azmount Aryl said...

Giant said...
The latest Intel IGP (X3000) is shader model 3 compliant and does it all in hardware. Not that this really matters, they're still not any good for playing games.


Actually you made correct statement. Intel IGP's aren't good to play games.

9:59 PM, June 05, 2007  
Blogger Waraxe said...

Duhhh. Even school kids know that AMD has IGPs that frag every other AGP out there. G690 owns what Nvidia has, and intel not even close to Nvidia.

Also the newest AMD IGPs can get you gazillion FPS on selected games, here's proof: AMD IGP OWNS BIG TIME

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