Wednesday, April 25, 2007

More proof that Intel Core CPUs caused notebook explosions

A reader pointed out that Acer is doing battery recalls on AMD powered notebooks. Clearly, faulty batteries did not cause AMD notebooks to explode.

As I analysed long time ago, the Intel CPUs were the cause of the explosions so vividly shown on various web sites. In some cases, even houses and trucks were burnt down by Intel notebooks.

53 Comments:

Blogger Evil said...

WTF?

I think Ph(ake)d, English skills in this posting are worse than his usual drivel...

You say that the batteries are not at cause in the AMD computers that are getting recalled, but it's the Intel chips that cause other laptop batteries to be recalled...

HUH?


What the HELL are you trying to say Fanbio extrodinare?

5:54 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

You say that the batteries are not at cause in the AMD computers that are getting recalled, but it's the Intel chips that cause other laptop batteries to be recalled...

The above argument of yours is proof of your inferior level of intelligence. Try read and think and understand.

6:14 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Giant said...

Why would sony recall the batteries, costing them big $$$, if there was nothing wrong with them?

6:26 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

"Ph"ony "D"octorate

INTEL dominates the market for computers. Expect any issue to appear to be dominated by INTEL machines. Why is that, because people buy more of them.

What happened to your predictions of AMD market share.

Did you caculations miss the overwhelming performance of INTEL C2D and AMD's total failure to execute.

Did you see what AMD had to offer in the 2 billion debt placement?

6% and option to convert to stock at 20+ bucks in 8 years.. What a joke. Tells you what confidence the lenders think

Must suck to be on the losing team there Pretender

6:36 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Tim said...

"Clearly, faulty batteries did not cause AMD notebooks to explode."

This is word for word what you typed Sharidouche, so...if the batteries didn't cause the issue with the Acer laptops, then what you typed makes -0- sense. But then neither does things like:

"Try read and think and understand."

You're engrish ish terrible....

6:38 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

well he's PhD, so what do you expect?

plus, Sharikou, can you please provide links that "proved" Intel's CPU causes explosion?

6:47 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger 180 Sharikou said...

Doctor - it's been some time since I posted here. I'm concerned for you. You seem to be losing your grip - take a deep breath and relax.

Your friend...Anti Pervasive
http://sharikou180.blogspot.com

6:50 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

yomamafor2 said
"Sharikou, can you please provide links that "proved" Intel's CPU causes explosion?"


Here is the links..


http://www.shivaranjan.com/2006/09/21/dell-laptop-explodes-in-yahoo-research-headquarters/

http://www.dailytech.com/Canadian+Customers+Sue+Dell+Over+Notebooks/article5701c.htm

http://www.asklaptopfreak.com/laptop-notebook-help/2006/06/18/notebook-overheating/

http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-72864-Laptop-Boiling.html

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32550

7:14 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

I did read it Ph(ake)d.

You said "Clearly, faulty batteries did not cause AMD notebooks to explode."


Are you telling us all there is a great conspiracy amongst computer folks like Apple, Sony, Dell and a bunch of others, claiming that the Intel CPU's are the cause of the multi million dollar battery recall.

Oh wait... you are the same idiot claiming intel is going to be BK by 08.

Boy ever since Intel let you go, your intelligence seems to drop with each rabid fanboi post.

Of course, your lapdog faboi supports pezal and penix will soon be around to defend your honour...

This folks is why you shouldn't become a fanboi. You end up having a blog, think you are important, and get laughed at a lot...

Not to mention claim you are a Ph.d....

7:16 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

pezal, are you really that dumb?

All those laptops used batteries that were RECALLED.

Prove it was the Intel CPU and not the battery...

Or are you too saying that Intel is doing some massive coverup?

Time for the tinfoil hat folks!


Yet more evidence the resident Ph(ake)d lies.

7:18 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

"Prove it was the Intel CPU and not the battery..."


why there is no amd CPUs involved in those explosion? Are u sure it's really due to the battery?

sharikou said..
The above argument of yours is proof of your inferior level of intelligence.Try read and think and understand!!!

7:30 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

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7:39 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

Hot battery + Hot CPU = Explosion

Cool battery + Hot CPU = Overheating

Cool battery + Cool CPU = AMD

wakakakakakkakakaa...

7:45 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Well maybe the fact that:

1.) AMD's market share of laptops is abysmal.

2.) AMD laptops are getting battery recalls.

3.) Fanboi power!


The AMD fanboi's are all riled up because Intel is once again on top, taking market share from AMD and AMD continues to go deeper and deeper into debt...

Its kinda funny when you are able to see beyond Ph(ake)d's fanboi stuff.

9:45 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger The many faces of stupidity said...

I've been hear you ranting about intel's bankruptcy since the last semester... Intel is still going strong... no company can become bankrupt overnight... let us wait for an year more...

10:31 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger R said...

To prolong battery life software controls load regulating components. I have seen bad code blow components including cpu’s and regulators. How do I know this? I wrote some defective code in class 20 years ago that smoked a cpu. In my case all it took was replacing a 1 for 0 at the wrong time in a motor controller. Software controllers have more resolution than analog for robotic uses.

Most certainly Intel engineers are smarter than I, but it doesn’t take much when you consider Intel doesn’t make every part it uses. With millions of transistors and complex firmware running HD stepper-motors and other complex components it’s amazing to me more doesn’t go wrong.

Conclusion; we may never know the cause of the Intel fires, but we do know all of the computers were ON.

The Sony batteries could have been perfectly good, but not living up Intel specs for that application which now makes them perfectly bad, but from the photo the cpu’s were burnt. Batteries will explode if they’re shorted under load.

Your thinking that the battery blew then the cpu smoked, I would argue it would be more likely the cpu or a regulator shorted then the battery blew.

10:48 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Again, you twinkish fanbois, are you SERIOUSLY saying that Sony took a multi 10's of million dollar loss for your idiotic at best conspiracy theory?

Give me a freaking break. Its about as dumb as claiming Intel BK by Q2 2008.


Intel's low power laptop chips have had thermal protection for a LONG time, and far superior than AMD's.

11:03 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

pezal

not to be rude, but i fail to see how they relate the explosion to Intel's CPU?

most are just reports of laptop explosion, or high heat. but high heat does not directly translate into CPU's issue. as one of the links you provided stated, it can be a BIOS issue, or internal fan issue.

i have yet to see a solid proof of how Intel CPU directly caused the explosion.

11:28 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger R said...

“Intel's low power laptop chips have had thermal protection for a LONG time”

In a perfect world thermal protection works 100% of the time; in our world leave room for the unexpected. I could give you hundreds of examples or just read the one below.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30863

11:31 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

wakaakaka..
R is so smart..

11:38 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger Roborat, Ph. D. said...

sharikou: "Clearly, faulty batteries did not cause AMD notebooks to explode."

ofcourse it didn't. Acer hasn't really sold any AMD laptops since 1997.

sharikou:
"As I analysed long time ago, the Intel CPUs were the cause of the explosions..."

its true. intel admits using gunpowder in their process.

11:39 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger yomamafor2 said...

Penzal
why there is no amd CPUs involved in those explosion? Are u sure it's really due to the battery?

That's because during that time, Dell and Apple were not shipping laptops with Turion (X2). Those who ships AMD laptops (HP, Toshiba) did not have any explosion.

As a result, one can conclude that Dell and Apple's notebook design / battery were flawed.

As for the acer user who's been experiencing heat problems, he claimed that the internal fan did not spin at full speed, even when the temperature exceeds 80 degrees. This could only mean a BIOS issue, not the CPU.

Next time, try to understand the sources you're posting, before you actually use them to back up your claim.

11:39 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger pezal said...

yomamafor2 said.
not to be rude, but i fail to see how they relate the explosion to Intel's CPU?


the truth is..

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN thermal throttling does not kick in on a high wattage modern CPU under load?

Well, the short answer is bad things, smoke, and a lot of cash wasted. On the up side, it tends to produce sympathy pains, grimaces and lots of cool pics if it is not your rig. Want to know more? Take it away [name removed to protect the guilty]. µ

I recently experimented with WaterCooling on a Development 840 System I had on the bench, all was fine until one day when I was transfering some data between hard drives while the system was unattended , the Water Pump failed, no biggie, the system would heat up to a point and shut itself down , Right.. ??

Wrong.. , I stepped back into the room and noticed a slight smell of burning, nothing too alarming until I dialed up Probe on the desktop and noticed the Temp was at 96 Degrees celcius, and rising.., btw this system would sit comfortably around 35 degreee when not under laoad, realising something had gone drastically wrong, I pulled the plug..

I let the system cool, thru on a HeatPipe Cooler, and it kicked back into life ..., Phew... I thought.., The system seemed fine, but it was running way hotter than it normally did on air, so I puuled it down to check out if there was some issue with the Cooler installation.., weel imagine my shock and horror when I tried lifting the CPU out of the Socket and realised that it was a bit tougher than it should have been, Why, because the Bloody thing had litterly welded itself to the farking pins..., I kid you not.., of course onremoving the CPU, I destroyed it and the Motherboard... Argghhhhhh.

Now Intel have basically told me to go jump , ASUS are basically telling me to have relations with myself , and I am out of pocket arounf $1200.00 AU.

I have attached the picture for your amusement..

Burnt Intel 840

Why the system failed to shut down is still a mystery, or how it even got yo that temp while not under load, the motherboard was an ASUS P5WD2-Premium, with all of the CPU thermal control on except speed step.., I have no -idea who to point the finger out , but I know one thing, the so called Thermal Protection failed miserably on this occasion, and I am ready to roll some heads.. There is no way a modern CPU should self destruct because of cooling failure, I have had PIV systems that have popped the CPU cooler wire in transit, the systems would just shut themselves down at a certainn temp, no harm done..., WTF failed here is anyones guess, but evryine is washing their hands of it ..

The Intel Represenatation here in Australia is a Joke, .. actually there isn't any , it took over a month of some monkey in India repeating that the issue had been logged and escalated.. ??, mind you they asked for the photo's 5 times.. IDIOTS.., well now its time to show the world what a joke Intels so called Thermal Protection actually Looks Like. Enjoy

11:52 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger R said...

“i have yet to see a solid proof of how Intel CPU directly caused the explosion.’

I haven’t seen solid proof either. I also didn’t Sony sending the batteries out to a private lab. I didn’t see Intel let anyone but themselves inspect the PC’s. As a matter of fact we haven’t seen anything which is my point.

Its also possible Intel and Sony are telling the truth. OK then let me see the stuff. (I mean a non-bias third party)

Please don’t take this wrong. Believe me if were AMD exploding I would want the same proof, and I wouldn’t purchase the product in question until I had absolute proof; I fly a lot.

11:53 PM, April 25, 2007  
Blogger R said...

BTW
The Intel/Sony problem has been fixed, it is a non issue. Dr. S is setting back laughing his ass off while we debate this stupid subject. I’ll use more discretion in the future.

12:19 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Poke said...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX, Doomed from the Start

AMD's flagship ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX fails to usurp the GeForce 8800 GTX's performance crown


Just as I predicted, the HD2900XTX is no match for the 8800GTX. Nvidia doesn't even need the 8800Ultra to frag AMD. R600 is a failure just like Barcelona.

AMD BK 2Q'08

5:04 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Once again fanbois, are you and your not-so-illustrious blind leader claiming that Intel is somehow convincing Sony to take MULTI million dollar losses?


No wonder you all are the laughing stocks of the CPU blog world.

8:12 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Shouden said...

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8:51 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Shouden said...

It took me a few readings of the article but I think I finally realize what the Doctor is trying to say. The Doctor is pointing out that Acer, much like Sony, Dell, and others have sold the defective batteries. Acer is unique in the fact that the batteries were used exclusively on AMD based laptops, and while we know the Dell laptop that was so famously ranted about on this blog exploded due to the batteries, the Acer laptop presumably did not explode. Thus he is reinforcing the correlation between the laptops with the defective batteries explosion and Intel processors. I don’t know how accurate this information is, nor do I have the time to look it up, but I wanted to provide a translation for the “Ph.D” speak found in the article.

8:53 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger R said...

“Evil said...
Once again fanbois, are you and your not-so-illustrious blind leader claiming that Intel is somehow convincing Sony to take MULTI million dollar losses?”

“No wonder you all are the laughing stocks of the CPU blog world.”


You are naive to think Sony wouldn’t take the hit for future mega millions of battery and other component sales. The battery deal was chicken feed compared to brand destruction of Intel & Dell. Backdoor negotiations are the norm with power brokers. This is not say you aren’t correct on your assumption; my point is leave room for reality.

Evil & Dr S are exactly the same profile; just opposite ends of the spectrum.

9:32 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger netrama said...


lex said...
blah blah... Did you caculations miss the overwhelming performance of INTEL C2D


You still dont get it do you ...that the C2D is the biggest scam that Intel (Israel) has pulled so far..

9:35 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger ElMoIsEviL said...

Sharikou.. you're a total moron. Batteries have always been the problem from the start. It seems Sony's Lithium based batteries like to burn up spontaneously.

And where's your proof that it was Intel related? Total Inferior Being.. that you are.

9:44 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

dHow the HOLY HELL is C2D a scam?

It's a scam when an Intel product far outperforms the existing AMD stuff, but its a freaking blessing when AMD was doing the same with the Opteron when it was first released.

It's a scam when Intel is getting back all of the market share it lost to AMD from '04 to 06, but when AMD did it, it was only thru their dilegence.

Face it, AMD got LAZY, and then AMD got beat. Will it change soon? Probably not, will it change in the future? Sure, its possible AMD will do again what it did with the Opteron. But Intel isn't playing dead anymore... which is excatly why AMD is now 1.8 BILLION dollars more in the hole if it gets that loan.

At least some of us can use both Intel and AMD processors without getting to be some moronic babbler that think they know what they are talking about, making extravigant claims on how Intel is somehow convincing Sony that the battery recall is just that and not a CPU overheading issue. Oh and that Intel is somehow going to go BK in 2008.

Meanwhile folks like pezal, penix and netrama insist on blind devotion to a slower CPU. Good work, enjoy your lower performance CPU's. I'll enjoy my higher performance CPU's made by Intel for now. If AMD makes a better processor in the next gen I'll use it too.

AMD fanboi's around here are as bad as thos rabid Mac fanatics... and sound just as dumb.

11:29 AM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger doorknob_dan said...

Why is this even an issue? It's laughable that people are even arguing that it was an Intel CPU problem.

To fix the problem, the BATTERIES were replaced, not the CPU.

Now everything is fine, no explosions, no fires, nothing.

So anyone with a four year old's reasoning can deduce that it was a problem with the battery, regardless of any other factor because these systems work fine now.

If the CPUs were defective, they would be ruining batteries still or buring up - but everything's fine.

Some of you people are retarded.

1:34 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger abinstein said...

"It's a scam when an Intel product far outperforms the existing AMD stuff, but its a freaking blessing when AMD was doing the same with the Opteron when it was first released."

C2D is a scam because it doesn't outperforms K8 in all categories of programs, but only those selected few that it does are most benchmarked.

This is probably why there's no HPC contracts for C2D.

Whereas K8 when it was released indeed outperforms K7 and P-4 in just about every program.

5:05 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Randy Allen said...


C2D is a scam because it doesn't outperforms K8 in all categories of programs, but only those selected few that it does are most benchmarked.

This is probably why there's no HPC contracts for C2D.

Whereas K8 when it was released indeed outperforms K7 and P-4 in just about every program.


That's just too damn funny. Have you even a modicum of evidence to back this claims up? In a wide variety of server workloads, Woodcrest and Clovertown frag Opteron with relative ease. http://tweakers.net/reviews/661/4

In a wide variety of desktop workloads, AMD is also fragged by Intel. http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/dualcore-roundup/charts/average.png

If the Core Microarchiecture was a "scam" as you claim it to be, then why would many, many companies worldwide choose Woodcrest and Clovertown for their datacenters? Hint: The people deciding on what CPUs aren't just going to look at a few benchmarks on Anandtech.

This is probably why there's no HPC contracts for C2D.

Could it also be that Core 2 Duo is a mobile and desktop part, not a part for servers?!

Could it also be that Clovertown and Woodcrest are 2P parts only?

Could it also be true that this isn't going to change until Intel releases Tigerton in Q3 along with the Caneland platform for MP servers?

Since you want to talk about High Performance Computing, do you know that Opteron doesn't even scale past 8P? IBM will sell you a 32P Xeon Tulsa system. Itanium goes all the way to 512P.

AMD's architecture is a joke. Why else did they lose one third of their marketshare in Q1 alone?

6:15 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Funny, when the Opteron only outperformed the P4 in some areas, but not others, it was cause for AMD fanboi rejoicing in the streets, holding hands and singing Kumbaiya.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, its a sham.


I swear AMD fanbois are no different than Mac fabois (but at least Mac fanbois use faster processors than the AMD types).

6:39 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger lex said...

SO laughable that the "Ph"ony "D"octorate is back to batterys and fires.

Some people like to claim C2D and INTEL is a sham? What is more laughable to be fooled by this sham vs. the Hector AMD sham. Oh, yes there are bigger fools than thoswe who blindly buy AMD and Hector's sour cumm . The biggest fools are the ones that believe in the PhD about benchmarks, market share, fires, and BK.

Its a scam!

AMD market share isn't down 5 % in one quarter
AMD didn't 600 milion last quarter
AMD isn't paying 6% to get debt buyers
AMD isn't more leveraged then every in its history
Hector isn't saying he is considering all options, talks about fab lite.
Penrym 45nm benchmarks are all false
Penrym 45nm computers are really overclocked c2D
4 45nm factorys near completion are all empty shells
INTEL 1.6 billion profits on 8.9 billion revenue are enron like fabrications

Its all a scam, tell me who is the "Ph"ony....

You "Ph"onies are funny as I couldn't believe there are so many stupid and guillable people in the world. Feel sorry for your momma and her brother your pappa.



THe house of cards has collapsed.

The "Ph"ony returns to the most meaty topic he can about battery fires due a combination of defect batterys and poor termal control on INTEL procducts.


THe fact lost on all is AMD is going BK
The fact lost is AMD market share is trending to sub 15% by Q2
The fact lost is AMD si going to bet bought out and spun out
the fact lost is ATI is going to be ruined by Hector

The fact lost is Hector has ruined AMD much like he ruined Motorolla in far fairer times.

6:49 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Christopher said...

ofcourse it didn't. Acer hasn't really sold any AMD laptops since 1997.


A complete and absolute lie. I have a couple of AMD Acer laptops here at work. No problems with these. They just work.

That's just too damn funny. Have you even a modicum of evidence to back this claims up? In a wide variety of server workloads, Woodcrest and Clovertown frag Opteron with relative ease. http://tweakers.net/reviews/661/4

Get lost Randy. I used to run a farm of mail servers but I could not get AMD processors for them because of idiots like you who still believed that AMD were heaters even though the real heaters were just what they were buying at that time, Intel Xeons. Why do they believe this? They look at these so called review sites. When an Opteron box was finally bought for testing, it completely wiped out the Intel boxes in terms of performance for databases, SSL and others. The only area where Opterons did not wipe out Intel processors were zipping. The long pipeline of Intel processors is a major plus for zipping. Woodcrest and Cloverton are only good that just that. Enabling useless automatic zipping in web servers.

When used in 2U file servers, those Intel Xeon's roasted the disks and the case only fits 6 drives too. Extra heavy duty fans had to be installed to keep those disks from running at 55 - 65 degrees Celsius. Before the fans were installed, disks would die within a week or two.

Too bad there are plenty of idiots out there that decide what servers to buy for their companies based on stupid 'benchmarks'. Companies that do their own testing like a certain large Korean portal soon discover the error of their decisions.

http://www.inews24.com/php/news_view.php?g_menu=020200&g_serial=225735

8:59 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger turpit said...

Interesting.
When you presented this "theory" in THG Forums, shortly before you were banned from that site, I along with several others pointed out to you the volitility of LiON batteries, including examples of exploding cell phones, Radio control toy battery packs, certain LiON powered military equipment etc. Yet you failed to respond to any of us.

Sadly, in your forced absence, that thread has been deleted, as I am still awaiting your responses, as you never bothered to explain how a known reactive substance with a proven and documented history was somehow mysteriously overshadowed by a chunk of noreactive silicon, Germainium Arsenide etc

9:28 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Roborat, Ph. D. said...

the only reason why an AMD laptop hasn't exploded is because all the Turdions AMD made are sitting as inventories in some warehouse.

No OEM actually thought anyone will be stupid enough not to buy them. They're regular athlon's underclock to pretend to be a mobile chip. AMD is even too stupid to scam people into buying such an obsolte product.

This is the real reason why we dont hear AMD laptops explode. An AMD laptop doesn't exist. If you actually saw one, they're Intel based. AMD jus bout a couple from Intel and re-marked them with their pathetic logo. They actually know that athlons are fire hazards.

11:38 PM, April 26, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

abinstein
"C2D is a scam because it doesn't outperforms K8 in all categories of programs, but only those selected few that it does are most benchmarked."

So isn't K8 also a scam as it doesn't outperform C2 in every benchmark there is? Be real, that is the worst reason I've ever heard.

C2 is designed to run the things most people use the most and run them well. Benchmarkers also use the programs that most people use. There is nothing weird about it.


"Whereas K8 when it was released indeed outperforms K7 and P-4 in just about every program. "

So did C2 vs P4


cristopher
"The long pipeline of Intel processors is a major plus for zipping"

Have you got any idea of the length of the pipeline of C2? What about P4? Did you knew that Prescott had more than twice the pipeline length of C2 and K8 but was still considerably slower than either of those.

1:37 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

You run a bunch of WEB servers? Colour me impressed. NOT.

I run HUNDREDS of Exchange 2003 and 2007 servers, HUNDREDS of SQL 2000 and 2005 servers, and THOUSANDS of various application servers.

I use both AMD and Intel processors. I buy hardware from HP, and HP only.

Under Exchange and SQL, the Intel chips and especially the quad cores, are superior to AMD's fastest in just about every category. I can put more Exchange users on a server and get less of a performance impact than when running under AMD.

You don't even want to see the performance delat under SQL 2005, where Intel simply crushes AMD.

Yeah 16 months ago, it was totally AMD on top, by a large margin. But now those roles are fully reversed.

Fanboi's are funny little boys, with nothing more than hearsay and other fanboi's to support the rants they hold so dear.

Intel's Xeon's in the 2U had SAS disks far before AMD did (almost a full year) and could hold a total of 8 drives, where as the AMD could hold a maximum of 4. Finally a year later the AMD systems were retrofitted into the same chassis.

or we could talk about the new DL320, which is Intel based which hold a total of 12 disks, and lo and behold, there is nothing on the AMD side with the same disk density.

I can also go into details on how when we tested a rack at full density with the HP C-class blade chassis, a full Intel chassis with a full load of BL460c servers (16) used almost a full 25% less wattage and BTU expendature was a full 33% less than a full load of BL465c AMD based blades.

See the problem with Fanboi's is they lie.

People who CLAIM Xeon's are hotter than the AMD in the same class are either using older Xeon's and not the current generation of Intel CPU's, or they are simply liars.

7:16 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Christopher said...

Have you got any idea of the length of the pipeline of C2? What about P4? Did you knew that Prescott had more than twice the pipeline length of C2 and K8 but was still considerably slower than either of those.

Prescott cores will give K8 cores a run for their money when it comes to gzipping and zipping. Other than this, yeah, Prescott cores are slow but loved by almost all the other guys in that company.

8:16 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Christopher said...

I run HUNDREDS of Exchange 2003 and 2007 servers, HUNDREDS of SQL 2000 and 2005 servers, and THOUSANDS of various application servers.


ROTFL. That fact that you claim to run hundreds of these alone is already evidence of a lie.

I am sorry but in a previous company the web server team handled around 30 boxes while I, the mail server guy, also handled around 30 boxes but the majority of mine were PIII boxes, which I am not complaining about, while the web server team enjoyed dual Xeon boxes (guess where their PIII boxes went) and I, only a few single Xeon boxes. The file server guys handle over a hundred boxes and they shot themselves in the foot with their new Xeon purchases until I finally proved that their disks were dying because they were running too hot. Maybe you can guess why but I doubt it. Hint: a different OS was used to prove the problem.

This stuff is part of a system that manages 40 million mailboxes and, on the mail side, handles on average about 200 million smtp transactions daily using Linux and FreeBSD. Do you want to try and see if you can match this with your hundreds of exchange and sql server boxes? Let me give you a hint. hotmail ran on freebsd before it was bought and the windows platform finally got in after more than a year and after that I got to play with queues because hotmail would not be able to handle their mail load from time to time.

So you have hundreds of exchange boxes eh? You can put more Exchange users on an Intel box than an AMD box eh?

Where I work now, I have this HP DL380 Exchange box that handles 12 users and boy, does the thing need more RAM. No wonder you need hundreds of Intel-based Exchange servers. Please take a hike.

or we could talk about the new DL320, which is Intel based which hold a total of 12 disks, and lo and behold, there is nothing on the AMD side with the same disk density.

You should get hardware from real engineers. How about 46 disks to your pathetic 12? Or rather 2 disks since I cannot seem to find a 12 disk DL320 on HP's website. The DL320 G5 is a 1U two disk box as opposed to a 1U four disk box for which you will also find many AMD solutions.

Spouting a brand name and a large deployment of the worst excuse for an email solution sure gives credence to your own words: See the problem with Fanboi's is they lie.

Also, is this your only counter to the report of a large Korean portal's problems with Woodcrest after they put their new system into production to replace their previous AMD system?

They did not just suffer heat problems. They suffered major stability problems.

http://www.inews24.com/php/news_view.php?g_menu=020200&g_serial=225735

Oh, did I forget to mention that my boxes in the previous company were whiteboxes using ATA disks without fancy battery backed up write caches that those lovely HP SCSI-based boxes come with? You don't know nothing.

9:07 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

cristopher
"Prescott cores will give K8 cores a run for their money when it comes to gzipping and zipping."

No, they do not. Also you didn't comment on how it helps for C2 that has almost the same length pipelien as AMD.

9:09 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

cristopher
"ROTFL. That fact that you claim to run hundreds of these alone is already evidence of a lie."

Why is that? Our company has single administrator running ~20 servers and most of the time he is doing other things. My guess is that there are few thousands of servers managed by several people. It is not like there is a room with 1000 servers for one administrator and another room like that for the other administrator.

9:13 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Some AMD fanboi's around here forget that some of us work for very large mail and web hosting companies.

Nah, that can't happen in the real world.

As I said before, and I'll say it again, fanboi's live in their own little world, with no real touch with reality.

Oh for the DL320 with 12 SAS disks, it doesn't take much time to LOOK: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-3232017.html

Don't you feel like a moron now?

Mind you HP has stopped shipping most standard SCSI systems for almost a full year. You can special order the older systems, but most of HP has transitioned to SAS now.

Now kindly go away fanboi before I make you look like an ass again.

9:42 AM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Tim said...

"Where I work now, I have this HP DL380 Exchange box that handles 12 users and boy, does the thing need more RAM. No wonder you need hundreds of Intel-based Exchange servers. Please take a hike."

This just proves that you have no clue what you're doing in so far as configuring a server (any server for that matter) for Exchange.

12:24 PM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Evil said...

Tim, exactly he just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper.

I'm sure of course he will Google up something and post some "correction" in a later post...

12:33 PM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Christopher said...

ho ho: No they don't.
Ho ho, for the price you get for P4 architecture cpus and their performance at gzipping and zipping, they very well do give K8 cpus a run for their money.

ho ho: "Why is that? Our company has single administrator running ~20 servers and most of the time he is doing other things. My guess is that there are few thousands of servers managed by several people."

And what kind of servers are those? If you have to manage a few thousand of servers with several people, something is incredibly wrong. When you have thousands of servers to manage, you should have a team of technicians whose sole purpose is to replace failed hardware. After they replace the hardware, they should just turn the thing on and it should just work. The few guys that manage the servers will engineer the system needed for these boxes to automatically install, configure themselves and then just run. Any other way to manage a few thousand servers will most probably mean weekly fire fighting and havoc when something breaks.


"Where I work now, I have this HP DL380 Exchange box that handles 12 users and boy, does the thing need more RAM. No wonder you need hundreds of Intel-based Exchange servers. Please take a hike."

Tim: This just proves that you have no clue what you're doing in so far as configuring a server (any server for that matter) for Exchange.


I am sorry. This is a box I inherited when I joined the company. If you want someone to laugh at, please laugh at the guys who put it there in the first place. The thing has only 1.5GB of RAM but store.exe alone can chew over 800MB of RAM although there are less than 20 mailboxes. Add another 200MB for the ldap part of the active directory system (LSASS.EXE) and you still wonder how on earth Windows manages to reportedly have over 3GB of memory allocated (using swap is the worst thing a server can do). I work for the largest textile machine producer on this planet and they have over a hundred companies in the group and over 20 sites. They created their own IT company to handle all the needs of the member companies. I get to stand by the side and laugh at their incompetent and awful management of their global vpn and microsoft exchange system. These guys manual configure the routing tables on their beloved Checkpoint VPN/Firewalls and of course likewise the routing groups on most if not every stupid Exchange box.

I don't have a clue on how to configure a server eh? When you can get a SINGLE dual PIII box with 4 ide disks attached to a 3ware 75xx raid card to filter more than a million emails on a daily basis to catch 419 scammers and other abusers of a free webmail service, come back here and diss me. Or when you can automatically configure mail routing for over 30 servers, of which 70% are just dual PIII boxes with only two IDE disks, that have to differentiate virus filtering, spam scoring, a combination of both or none at all and their appropriate file servers and that can endure 200 million smtp transactions and not build queues in the delivery path, come back here and diss me.

Evil: Some AMD fanboi's around here forget that some of us work for very large mail and web hosting companies.

Nah, that can't happen in the real world.


I worked for the then third largest outsourced email service provider on this planet. Besides hotmail.com, please show who else uses the Windows operating system for their email system. Yahoo uses a modified qmail which does not run on Windows. Google is a Linux shop that uses system management principles common in Solaris deployments because one of their founders was a former Sun guy. Care to tell us how many users does your hundreds of Exchange, SQL Server boxes service? Can you even issue 550 for non-existent mailboxes? Do you even know what I am talking about?

Evil: Oh for the DL320 with 12 SAS disks, it doesn't take much time to LOOK: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-3232017.html

Don't you feel like a moron now?


Oh, you have to use insults to make your point now? You claimed that there is nothing on the AMD side with this amount of disks. May I show this lovely AMD box that holds 48 drives? The Sun Fire X4500. Please show me something on the Intel side.

Evil: Mind you HP has stopped shipping most standard SCSI systems for almost a full year. You can special order the older systems, but most of HP has transitioned to SAS now.

SCSI is SCSI. So the cabling and interface specifications have changed but in the end, the drive is still a SCSI disk. I will take a cheaper and larger NCQ capable SATA disk solution thank you very much.

Evil: Now kindly go away fanboi before I make you look like an ass again.

How exactly did you make me bray in shame? Plus, where is the evidence that I am an AMD fan boy? Is this the best you can come up with?

8:20 PM, April 27, 2007  
Blogger Ho Ho said...

christopher
And what kind of servers are those?

Mostly RHEL based i386/x86-64 running Oracle APEX, Oracle DB (incl. Enterprise), MySql and clustered MySql, Tomcat, JBoss and several other things. Some email, router and firewalls are also there.

Our company develops and tests web applications on those servers and we have >40 different applications running on them at all times with new ones coming every couple of months.

9:52 AM, April 30, 2007  
Blogger Christopher said...

Mostly RHEL based i386/x86-64 running Oracle APEX, Oracle DB (incl. Enterprise), MySql and clustered MySql, Tomcat, JBoss and several other things. Some email, router and firewalls are also there.

Our company develops and tests web applications on those servers and we have >40 different applications running on them at all times with new ones coming every couple of months.


The base software just sits there. One person ought to be able to look after twenty boxes that do not need much change by him. How your development team handles their stuff is what really matters here.

9:13 PM, May 02, 2007  

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