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WSJ reports that newly released Intel emails and internal memos demonstrate how Intel Corp. used anticompetitive practices against AMD in the Japanese microprocessor market.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 4/30/2007 07:44:00 PM
74 Comments:
Intel has done nothing wrong. When I go to KFC all I can buy are Pepsi drinks. No Coca-Cola in sight. Does that mean that Coca-Cola can simply sue PepsiCo? Not at all.
The judge will rule in favour of Inte and force AMD to pay all Intel's legal bills, since AMD is wasting millions of dollars of Intel's money. This will mean that AMD will post even bigger losses and go BK in Q2'08.
How sad that AMD in the most desperate of times continues to suck so much executive energy making noise about some fictious emails.
Instead of the executives, technologists and engineers focused on trying to improve the company's execution, improve their technology, improve their manufacturing they are distracted by their top executives continuing pruisuit of the lawsuite. I can imagine what the conversations at the water cooler at AMD is about, its not about the next technology its about the "allegations" what a distraction and is it no wonder AMD has fallen on its face.
AMD started all this lawauite stuff before C2D came out. Hector thought he had the benchmarks and the big chipzilla was going to continue to screw up on execution. Boy was he surprised when the big dick flattened the little dick with C2D. Now all soft and limp Hector only has got is his lawsuite, negative cash flow.. and a huge distraction to the whole company.
THink about it, your CEO is telling you you can't win because the other guy is cheating. REally a moral booster, really a can do attitude, really motivates you and makes your employees go out and try and beat the competition.
Imagine you are BOise State before the Fiesta bowl, the big under dogs.
Can you imagine you are ready to play the big game and all week the coach is ranting in the papers about how the other guy cheats, pays off the refs, the time keepers the instant replay officials. Would you want to practice hard, play hard... ? No you'd give up.
That isn't what BOise State did.. but that is what Hector is doing.. what a loser, cry baby and failure of a CEO.
Hector what a genius motivator of a CEO. Boy he'll be a Harvard Case STudy of how to demoralize a company.
Intel wouldn't do anything illegal or unethical would they?
http://www.swallowtail.org/naughty-intel.html
Did Oklahoma get away with a illegal block or a hold?
Did Oklahoma get cheated in the Oregon game this past year? Did they let that define their season, their life, their game?
Again, in business and war expect some cheating or bending of the rules. It amazes me how much noise AMD makes about this.
Like Randy said, does Pepsi make a stink that they can't sell at McDonalds, or that at BK you only get Pepsi. Do you hear Coke or Pepsi whine or cry.
Did INTEL do anything blatant illegal? Higly unlikely, did they leverage their size, absolutely.
AMD instead of crying like the little wimp should leverage is smallness to be agile and dance around the big guy.
Instead Hector took the let me challenge INTEL when I had the benchmarks and thumb my noise at them too. Hey.. let me sue them to and make lots of noise. He took the eye off the ball and got floored. Now all he got is the lawsuite and debt...
What a cry baby of an executive.
I suppose the legal battle between Intel and AMD is the only hope left for the crow-eating AMD fanboys. It must be hard these days with nothing going right for AMD.
The recent decline in AMD's business and market share only proves Intel correct. AMD has only itself to blame for where it is right now.
When AMD is winning it's the most arrogant prick, but when it is losing it cries and screams monopoly! No wonder AMD doesn't get anywhere.
AMD is made of cry baby losers who fail to execute and blame their incompetence on Intel being a monopoly. Kinda similar to what AMD fanbois are reduced to nowadays.....crying and delusions.
Crying about how intel has paid the whole internet for writing positive things about c2d...benchmarks being rigged....its all about the cache....Intel's MCM strategy......stop crying and get with the program if you cant compete you will get rolled over and crying wont help.
Since the latest R600 is competing with Nvidia's second best video card upon its release i predict that by the time barcelona sees the light of day AMD will be touting how it beats Intel's celeron chip by 5% on average.
AMD will be touting how it beats Intel's celeron chip by 5% on average.
AMD is doing that today, inventing ways to claim advantage. In 2005 it was "best performance". In 2006 it was "best performance per watt". now its "best performance per watt per silicon area". Pathetic. If you can't win a metric, invent one.
Do the current "market share" statistics include chips in Consoles?
IBM has the Cell processor in the PS3, and AMD has chips in the Wii and XBox360...
At best console chips generate revenue but in no way they can generate profit.
In the marketshare they are meaningless since Intel doesn't produce chips for consoles any more. Including AMD chips in consoles in the marketshare calculations wold be the same as to include ICC and VTune sales numbers in marketshare numbers.
Talk about incriminating e-mails against Intel and we see all detractors in a row.
Those e-mails should take their sleep at night all over.
How desperate can a person be to make a point? Comparing the microprocessor market to the soda industry?
For starters, KFC was once owned by Pepsico. They never switched back to Coke.
Also, Pepsi HAS sued coke for Anti-Trust as well as a few other things.
Lex, Randy Allen and the rest of you Intel Fanboi's are always in such a rush to flame Sharikou, you end up making fools of yourselves. You sound like Sharikou in reverse.
As for all the blathering about e-mails and anti-trust, are you all so blindly in love with Intel that you can't see the forest for the trees? If Intel did what they are accused of, they screwed you as well as the rest of the market. Did they send you a check? If not your all defending a company that slipped you the "high hard one". Nice. I suppose all the "experts" here know more than the Trade commissions in Japan and The EU. Intel pleaded "no contest" in Japan. Thats the same as saying I am guilty, but I will plead NC so I can tell the world I was not guilty.
This blog is great. Sharikou makes some good points as well as some pretty funny and outrageous claims. Either way, like a usenet troll, he has owned you all. You wait with baited breathe for his every post and pounce on it like a crack whore on a $5 "date". You can't get entertainment like thatjust anywhere.....
BTW randy Allen, I am pretty sure that the only way a judge could hold AMD responsible for Intel's legal bills is if their was proof that the suit was frivolous.
It's obvious some of you fools (hint: mostly Intel zealots) don't give a damn about LEGAL and CREDIBLE anti-trust violations. Yes folks, that's right, LEGAL AND CREDIBLE ANTI-TRUST VIOLATIONS. Just because you may think it's legal, doesn't make it so. Apparantly some of you seem to forget that there are laws in the books in our government to protect businesses from becoming monopolized. My suggestion is to go read up and get an education.
Thankfully though the goverment does care when AMD takes a stand and makes light of it, with plenty of points of monopolistic behaviour and evidence to support it. Call them a cry-baby all you want but here are the facts:
Intel's practices have hurt the industry and slowed our technological progress in computing by seeking to hurt or bankrupt any and all opposition to disrupting thier monopoly, by using unfair business practices, alleged exclusive deals with clients, discriminatory refunds, threats of retaliation and so forth. Transmeta is one of the most recent casulties, I'm sure there have been many more over the years that Intel has either wholly bought out or bankrupted out of the business entirely. Currently they are trying to do it at all costs with this price war with AMD.
It's long been high time that someone stood up and put an end to the madness that is Intel's stranglehold/monopoly on the market and let a free market reign in the microprocessor sector, something Intel is fighting at all costs. Anyone who doesn't want such a thing to happen is IMHO no different than than the communists/socialists/dictators who have stripped the rights of free trade from thier citizens in said communist/socialist/dictatorship regimes, period.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Intel "dead", but do I want to see AMD and Intel on equal footing in a open, free, competetive market. Let innovation and ingenuity drive the market, not monopolistic activities and underhanded backroom deals. We need both players in the market(and more companies IMHO) to spur innovation and technology.
I can almost guarantee you this too; if AMD falls, you can wholly expect Intel's prices to rise big time and thier technological progress to slow to almost to a crawl.(due to no competion to have to outperform) Personally I don't feel like paying $1k for a "bottom of the barrel" processor and getting an architechtual/processor upgrade every 3 or more years. Providing some of you have any sense as well, you'll agree with me on at least these points.
A lot of the Intel fan club have a haughty arrogant attitude which reveals insight as to why they take so many liberties with the language. Their contempt for AMD leaves them void of any civility. I suggest you take a deep breath and think about what you are putting up for the world to read. You are all a very bright group and can do better.
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LEGAL and CREDIBLE anti-trust violations.
Sorry Dude, there has been nothing proven at this point in time.
Thankfully though the goverment does care when AMD takes a stand and makes light of it, with plenty of points of monopolistic behaviour and evidence to support it.
The US government is not involved in the AMD suit against Intel.
Intel's practices have hurt the industry and slowed our technological progress in computing by seeking to hurt or bankrupt any and all opposition to disrupting thier monopoly, by using unfair business practices, alleged exclusive deals with clients, discriminatory refunds, threats of retaliation and so forth.
Once again, this is nothing but hearsay. Do you have anything factual to post?
I think, AMD's lawsuite might have done more damage to AMD itself.
In the past, Intel could have finished AMD off. But, in every instance, Intel backed off after pushing AMD below 18% or so. I believe, the reason was that, Intel did not want to be sued for being a monopoly.
But now, the cat is out of the bag. AMD has already sued them for being a monopoly, and that cannot be undone. So there is no motivation for Intel to back off. If Intel wins the antitrust case, it PROVES that it is not abusing its power AND finishes off AMD. That way they get to have their cake and eat it too.
AMD started this lawsuite as a publicity stunt. The problem is, they launched it when they were gaining market share. So Intel can always claim that AMD's problems are not Intel's doing, but rather sheer incompetance on AMD's part. Intel can say, "Look, from 2003 till 2006, AMD had good products, and they gained market share as fast as they could based on their fab capacity. Now we have good products, and we got that whole thing back in one quarter. The high-tech market is very fickle. It goes to the best performer, if the performer is capable of supplying it at the right price. So, too bad AMD sucks!"
If the judge puts a seal of approval on this argument, there is no stopping Intel.
Yeah, this blog is great fun! And yep, Sharikou owns us all...including you, necro!
Sorry to burst your bubble Dan, but you don't see me here everyday hanging on every word Sharkou posts like a school girl with a crush. I won't mention any names...
::cough:: Lex, Robonut, Randy Allen, ::cough::
You too? You have something on your nose, better wipe it off, brown doesn't suit you.....
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Yeah, this blog is great fun! And yep, Sharikou owns us all...including you, necro!
Sorry to burst your bubble Dan, but you don't see me here everyday hanging on every word Sharkou posts like a school girl with a crush. I won't mention any names...
::cough:: Lex, Robonut, Randy Allen, ::cough::
You too? You have something on your nose, better wipe it off, brown doesn't suit you.....
Haha, sure! Well, I don't post much here either. It's a fun read, equivalent to the comics in the daily newspaper - not because of anything Sharikou says, but rather the visitor comments. But once in a while an interesting topic will come along and begs to be discussed (as you have found out).
AMD is coming back and is about to smash both Intel and nVidia in a single blow. Soon, not even the most die hard fanboys will be able to deny that AMD is far superior.
Everyone who wants to get rich, get ready go all in on AMD stock.
I had to enter the damn image captcha 4 times on the last post. Anyone else having trouble with this piece of garbage?
Doorknob Dan said
And just because AMD feels it's illegal doesn't MAKE it illegal. These are ALLEGATIONS.
Sure, but you have to consider that every decision a company makes is based on ROI (return on investment). This too applies for the Intel lawsuit. If AMD felt they had a weak case, then they surely would not have filed the lawsuit as that would be the same as throwing money out the window. On the other hand if they felt they had a strong case (with hard evidence) then it would certainly be worth it to proceed with the lawsuit. At the very least they would receive a judgement from Intel, would possibly gain mindshare with consumers, and would have new door opened as a result of Intel being forced to cease and desist from its monopolistic practices.
The difference is that if Pepsi is paying KFC to NOT carry Pepsi that is illegal.
They can pay all they want to CARRY THEIR products but canot spend a cent to have them NOT CARRY another company's products.
Japan has already found them guilty.
lex:
What if I was competing with you and I cancelled licenses unfairly, spread FUD about your products and paid people more to not sell your products would YOU SUE?
I can believe that there are tons of Intel janitors and salesmen here just like at Scientia's.
Engineers have little time for this.
ALL HAIL THE DUOPOLY!!!!!!!!
AMD is coming back and is about to smash both Intel and nVidia in a single blow. Soon, not even the most die hard fanboys will be able to deny that AMD is far superior.
Everyone who wants to get rich, get ready go all in on AMD stock.
Sure, if they could figure out how to properly market things.
ATI is lacklustre and has a poor record of driver support, and has always played catchup with Nvidia and the now-defunct 3DFX.
AMD still has so much negative stigma attached to it. Most 'normal' people I've talked to think an AMD processor is a low budget poorer performing alternative to Intel, or else they think it's something like a Mac and won't even run their software.
Not to mention their branding stinks. "AMD - Smarter Choice"? What the hell are they thinking? Their website looks like a cobbled-together piece of crap. They have no public image. They barely advertise, but rather dump their resources into chasing phantom emails of their competition.
As long as a company is so focused on the negatives, they will continue losing market share and money. The only thing they have going for them is Intel's failure, which they are dogged and determined to achieve.
You like this company? How can you respect a company like AMD? Good products mostly, but without new leadership they are doomed to fail.
I don't give a crap about Intel either, they're mostly wretched and only innovate when they're threatened - but AMD is weak, pathetic, aimless, and deserves nothing until it changes down to its core.
Sure, but you have to consider that every decision a company makes is based on ROI (return on investment). This too applies for the Intel lawsuit. If AMD felt they had a weak case, then they surely would not have filed the lawsuit as that would be the same as throwing money out the window. On the other hand if they felt they had a strong case (with hard evidence) then it would certainly be worth it to proceed with the lawsuit. At the very least they would receive a judgement from Intel, would possibly gain mindshare with consumers, and would have new door opened as a result of Intel being forced to cease and desist from its monopolistic practices.
True on the last part, not so sure about the first part. Depends on their lawyers. If they determine their own ROI to be worthy etc etc. they will pursue it. Long shot gambles are sometimes worth it.
AMD deal called "Voodoo Financing".
http://www.streetinsider.com/Contributors/AMD+Financing+Terms:+Even+Stranger+Than+Expected+(AMD)/2155871.html
IBM releases new Bladecenter workstations - Intel only.
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1253401,00.html
Penix: AMD is coming back and is about to smash both Intel and nVidia in a single blow. Soon, not even the most die hard fanboys will be able to deny that AMD is far superior.
Everyone who wants to get rich, get ready go all in on AMD stock.
Yep very excited to see ATI's yet to be launched highest end card compete with Nvidia's second highest and more than 6 month old graphics card.
Later on i am anticipating the release of the suspiciously quiet Barcelona and how it will compete with the celeron-L.
Exciting times to be an AMD fanboi indeed!!!
AMD chip orders to Chartered fall to contract minimums.
What happens when AMD has to keep buying chips it can't resell?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/29/bloomberg/sxchartered.php
"I had to enter the damn image captcha 4 times on the last post."
Oh that's the new "required IQ" security feature. Apparently four times puts you over the minimum!
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AMD started this lawsuite as a publicity stunt. The problem is, they launched it when they were gaining market share. So Intel can always claim that AMD's problems are not Intel's doing, but rather sheer incompetance on AMD's part. Intel can say, "Look, from 2003 till 2006, AMD had good products, and they gained market share as fast as they could based on their fab capacity. Now we have good products, and we got that whole thing back in one quarter. The high-tech market is very fickle. It goes to the best performer, if the performer is capable of supplying it at the right price. So, too bad AMD sucks!"
That's the logical fallacy one at Intel would like we to believe.
The lawsuit itself is related to unethical behavior that cut off AMD profits. It has much more to do with market strategies and anti-competitive actions than anything else (as absolute numbers). The fact that AMD barely survived Intel, through extreme show-off from their engineering force does not dismiss the anti-competitive premise from Intel's strongarming and bait.
Curiously enough, your argument gives AMD a point by informing the judge that Core 2 is their best competitor in years, contrary to previous bad Netburst job. At a sudden. Which means that AMD's competitive prospects improve market competition substantially.
But you're right, many things are just plain evil and have set society back due to greed (and are often legal as well). Microsoft is probably the most visible culprit in the computing world, buying up potential competitiors and edging everyone out of the picture. We now have a bloated, barely functional, and self-serving operating system on most of the worlds PC's. But legally done, right?
Another frickin' fallacy. They (MS) have competitors which are either Open-Source or proprietary high-end products. No one ever wants to compete against them in the popularity arena.
MS gets sued everytime due to blatant things such as illegal practices, related to strangely opportunistic software bundles (e.g. inclusion of IE into Windows, aiming at Netscape) or due to not giving access to proprietary code, and even due to anti-cooperation with the Law (when complaints roll out upon many exhaustive instances). And they're generally accountable for their acts, just like any other company.
Japan has already found them guilty.
1. Japan's antitrust laws are different from, and do not apply in the US.
2. Intel was not found guilty of anything, as they were never taken to court. The Japanese Fair Trade people made a recomendation to Intel, which they accepted.
AMD chip orders to Chartered fall to contract minimums.
What happens when AMD has to keep buying chips it can't resell?
90nm orders, NOT TOTAL ORDERS. They are ramping 65nm.
Chartered does not make 65nm cpus for AMD.
Chartered does not make 65nm cpus for AMD.
Advanced Micro Devices has validated 65nm process technology of Chartered Semiconductor, according to media reports. Theoretically, AMD may start commercial production of chips using 65nm capacities of the Singapore-based chipmaker.
A news-story at DigiTimes web-site citing industrial sources claim that Singapore-based Chartered Semiconductor’s “65nm central processing unit production” has been validated by AMD. The latter is planning to start selling 65nm chips produced by Chartered only in the second half of 2007, the report notes.
Chartered Semiconductor also plans to initiate shipments of PowerPC-based custom central processing units produced using 65nm manufacturing process for Xbox 360 game consoles in Q1 2007.
AMD, according to unofficial information, orders about one thousand 300mm wafers per month, on 90nm technology from the Singapore-based chipmaker. Chartered started production for AMD back in May, and the first shipment was scheduled for July.. It was also earlier reported that AMD may increase its orders to Chartered to about three thousand wafers per month.
Hey Bubba, get a clue. Japan's FTC found Intel guilty of anti-competitive practices, and Intel agreed to stop without admitting guilt. Had this finding occurred in the US, they would have been hammered because our department has enforcement powers that the Japan FTC does not.
Second, Charter does, indeed, make 65nm CPU's for AMD. AMD cut back there 90nm orders to minimum, and have ordered 65nm CPU's from chartered to offset the reduced capex on converting Fab 30 to 300mm and 65 nm.
Further, IBM is an Intel first house, and always has been (in relation to x86 servers). They have never really seriously picked up Opterons despite their close relationship with AMD and the obvious advantage the Opteron still holds in most server uses.
And then you point to yet another story of financial ignorance. The Senior Notes have been used by AMD before to great benefit allowing the to survive many years of no profits when Intel was really hammering away at them. AMD is able to use the money raised, at a much lower rate, to pay off high interest debt. Allowing them to focus their cash where it's needed in R&D and Capex. When they start making money, they'll do what they've always done in the past, which is force early conversion and pay the debt off early. Saving money on their debt twice.
They did this too perfection a couple of years ago, managing to get through the last price war. This will let them get through this one. And if they win the anti-trust suit, AMD will see more than enough cash come from Intel to pay of it's debts. Of course, that is an "if" but not a very big one in my book.
Lots of nice bold stuff there, without anything to back it up.
Now read the article I linked to, in which the CEO of chartered said AMD has a problem.
You can also see the part where the CEO said they shipped zero 65nm product in the first quarter.
So who knows more about their business, you or their CEO?
Feeling stupid yet?
Richard, so you also know more about Chartered's business than the CEO, huh?
BTW, the justice system in japan is simular to the one in the US. You have to go to court to be found guilty of anything.
Therefore, Intel was never found guilty of anything.
Unless, of course you would like to link to any court documents?
Nah, I didn't think you would.
IBM has the Cell processor in the PS3, and AMD has chips in the Wii and XBox360...
Where'd you pull this from?! IBM makes the CPUs for all three next-gen consoles. Nvidia does graphics for the PS3, and Ati does graphics for the Wii and 360.
AMD was being really, really cocky in 2005, stuff like this: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/40244-A_-_Top_10_v2_12-9-05_refresh_of_dual-core_duel.pdf
They thought they could just continue to ride on K8 making minor improvements where they could.
Intel came back with a bang in 2006 with it's 65nm technology and the Core Micro Architecture. Now AMD is suddenly back to losing market share and posting huge losses. AMD have only themselves to blame for this situation they're in.
Laws in Europe, Far East and here are a bit different.
INTEL and Japan had different interperation of the law. Once raised INTEL agreed to cease their practice and conform to the local intepretation. In the US the most notable thing is after repeated review the US goverment has found NO reason to pursue anything. What AMD is after is a cival suit. It will take a decade to work thru the appeals if it goes that far. By then AMD will be no more. It only goes to show how AMD is so desperate that they are willing to see the whole company distracted to puruse a lawsuite vs focus on what it takes to compete...
Is it odd that AMD's case has now come down to making noise about missing email. Here was a company that only months ago held every performance benchmark. Hector and his merry lot decided that lawsuites were more important a focus then execution..
Bottom line the best outcome for AMD is in 2010 or so they get a few hundred million and INTEL agrees to end some funding at OEMs. By then AMD will be BK ...
The Japan & EU did add some credence to the issue, but I felt for the most part AMD was just using the courts to accomplish what they couldn’t on their own. It wasn’t until Intel lost some possible incriminating evidence in the form of emails that I began to suspect AMD may have a case. The burden of proof with malicious intent to do AMD harm may be difficult, until amazingly Japans courts allowed access to all the anti-trust evidence held by the Japanese Fair Trade Commission (JFTC) from the non-trial that Intel wanted locked up, to be released and excepted as evidence in the AMD verse Intel USA trial. AMD’s argument is that it has been harmed globally and the world is paying for Intel’s unfair practices.
I’m thinking AMD has already won even if they don’t win the trial, if they get Intel to ease up on the OEM money with just the treat of going to trial. Not to mention the damage done to the Intel brand under discovery faze. I’m not lawyer, I’m probably wrong.
I figured you would enjoy this, the first review of the world's fastest graphics card for consumers:
http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=503&pageid=598
Perfect timing by Nvidia. Reviews come out on the same day the R600 NDA expires!
Where'd you pull this from?! IBM makes the CPUs for all three next-gen consoles. Nvidia does graphics for the PS3, and Ati does graphics for the Wii and 360.
Re-read his sentence, giant. He didn't write any incorrect info. GPUs = chips
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Bubba said...
"Sorry Dude, there has been nothing proven at this point in time."
O RLY?
AMD Supports European Commission's Dawn Intel Raids for Possible Antitrust Violations
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_July_12/ai_n14735667
Koreans conduct 'dawn raid' of Intel offices
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/09/intel_korea_offices_raided/
Japan Raids Intel on Competition Concerns
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2004/04/08/japan_raids_intel_on_competition_concerns.html
Overview of Fair Trade Commission of Japan (JFTC) Recommendation against Intel for violating Japan's Antimonopoly Act
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/05.march/05030802.pdf
Wow, raids on thier offices in South Korea, Japan and in Europe. The JFTC rules that they are violating Japan's Antimonopoly Act. Hmmmm... Seems like there is sufficent evidence after all, imagine that! I'm sure there will be more evidence to be found in time since they are still in the discovery phase of the process as well here in the States so this will have to tide you over for the time being. The "game" is far from over though.
"The US government is not involved in the AMD suit against Intel."
Wow. Absolutely incredible.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD-Intel_Full_Complaint.pdf
Title at the first page of the PDF:
"IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE"
Pray tell what does the Judicial Branch of our government(a district court) mean to you then? Nothing more than a silly kangaroo court?
"Once again, this is nothing but hearsay. Do you have anything factual to post?"
See above. Do you have anything factual to post that is contray to my so called "heresay"? Until you do, the burden of proof is on YOU.(and Intel for that matter)
Lou,
You're ignorance can be forgiven, since you are obviously not in the US.
Intel has done nothing wrong. The court will see that and will punish AMD severely for wasting Intel's time. Intel should sue AMD for everything that they possibly can. The legal fees will accelerate AMD's BK.
P.S. New 8800 Ultra out. Nvidia didn't even need that to frag R600. The GTX did that admirably. But, according to Hexus.net, the 8800 Ultra is 12% faster than the GTX. R600 is left to compete only against Nvidia's third fastest video card, the GTS.
What happened to R600 fragging Nvidia Sharikou? AMD just made that up. They are making up Barcelona performance numbers as well. Penryn will frag Barcelona by 150%.
1Q2007 Graphics chip/card numbers are out today.
AMD lost share to Intel.
"Considering R600 is not looking to be an “8800-killer,” it would seem that NVIDIA has miscalculated the 8800 Ultra product and only ended up marketing against themselves and looking somewhat foolish and arrogant with this overpriced product that seems to be little more than a “PR part.” Sorry NVIDIA, your Ultra is just not worth the money." - HardOCP
The R600 is first generation of chips from AMD. Considering this is only their first round, even being a contender is admirable. Rest assured, AMD will be back and they are bringing a supreme ass whoopin' with them.
Cant wait till this summer when we finally get to see barcelona competing with the celerons and netbursts......
HAHAHAHAH stupid penix reduced to making weak excuses for AMD. AMD is the only company this excuse will work for since its soo pathetic. Did Nvidia first gen of G80 suck....NO and it whooped the crap out of ATI's last generation of chips.
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R600 is the second coming of the unified R500 Xbox arch.
Intel has done nothing wrong. The court will see that and will punish AMD severely for wasting Intel's time. Intel should sue AMD for everything that they possibly can. The legal fees will accelerate AMD's BK.
P.S. New 8800 Ultra out. Nvidia didn't even need that to frag R600. The GTX did that admirably. But, according to Hexus.net, the 8800 Ultra is 12% faster than the GTX. R600 is left to compete only against Nvidia's third fastest video card, the GTS.
What happened to R600 fragging Nvidia Sharikou? AMD just made that up. They are making up Barcelona performance numbers as well. Penryn will frag Barcelona by 150%.
AMD NEVER said anything about the speed of the R600. And R600 is faster than 7900GTX and perhaps even 7950GT.
Also, ATi DID NOT Optimize R600 for DX9 which sems reasonable as it will sil be more than fast enough for DX9.
Peole like yu cause wars and strife. Take a long walk on a short cliff.
Get the war out of my PC you frickin IDIOTS.
R600 is more potent than G80 albeit complexier. Its early drivers are too immature for judging it out.
Peole like yu cause wars and strife. Take a long walk on a short cliff.
That's funny coming from someone who calls himself the Khalif.
"Bubba said...
Peole like yu cause wars and strife. Take a long walk on a short cliff.
That's funny coming from someone who calls himself the Khalif."
You want funny? Go do a search at Tom's Hardware forums for anything posted by BaronMatrix. You'll get a good laugh - most of it's as laughable as the crap that Sharidouche posts and equally pathetic...
Thekhalif says: AMD NEVER said anything about the speed of the R600. And R600 is faster than 7900GTX and perhaps even 7950GT.
Also, ATi DID NOT Optimize R600 for DX9 which sems reasonable as it will sil be more than fast enough for DX9.
Are you soo pathetic that you will now compare the yet to be released R600 (which is 6 months later than nvidia's DX10 offering) to the 7900GTX of last year and be content with the direction ATI is headed in????
Oh another brilliant move by AMD/ATI lets optimize the card for DX10 when 95% of the market is still DX9.....i know planning for the future is important but the excuses you are coming up with are just sad no wonder you are the laughing stock of the Forumz.
That idiot heat said...
...Did Nvidia first gen of G80 suck...
No, but NVidia's first 3 generations in the GPU market were WORTHLESS CRAP! This is AMD's very first GPU series and it's already a competitor. There is no doubt in my mind that AMD will soon control the top positions for both CPU and GPU.
"A Limp Penis said.....No, but NVidia's first 3 generations in the GPU market were WORTHLESS CRAP! This is AMD's very first GPU series and it's already a competitor. There is no doubt in my mind that AMD will soon control the top positions for both CPU and GPU. "
You have no idea what you're talking about. R600 was in development by *ATI* before AMD bought them out. Learn to follow the industry. So in that respect you're just trying to make AMD look better thanks to something ATI had already done...
The fact of the matter is R600 will not be enough to pull AMD's ass out of the fire they're in - ATI was barely profitable as it was...now that AMD's crack team of Mismanagment experts have their hands on them I'd expect AMD's graphics to go the way of Matrox in less than 2 years...
Yep thats penix's MO always talking out of his ass I guess that is why he came up with that screen name to begin with. I dont even need to put in a rebuttal for his always ignorant statements but thanks Tim for proving how stupid he is anyway.....
Keep up the good work penix always a laugh to see you make a fool out of urself........
I find AMD's position quite interesting, people seem to forget that intel manufacture chips based on the 8086 chip which intel created,, and AMD create 8086 clones, interestingly enough at the time the 8086 wasn't the best chip out there, (Intel have always had good marketing) however AMD should consider it a blessing that they are allowed to make them at all since they are using a mostly intel design, performance in the desktop market have never been the main issue anyway, i mean the x86 archetecture is really messy, you're looking at a 16bit processor designed in 1978 that now has so many extensions bolted onto it (i know its CISC) it has over 700 instructions, the things a monster!
Bearlake was just pulled in to May 9th. Manufacturers are lined up with boards ready to ship.
Looks like Intel beat AMD to both DX10 and DDR3.
Lots of raids and no doubt all the goverments getting lots of tips and hints from a desperate company of green and stupid individuals.
Did you notice that its AMD vs INTEL right now. THe said green company all dressed in red that is losing half a billion a quarter, losing MS, and taking out loans thatis trying to sue the other guy. It ain't the US goverment.
Its like watching them Schooners taking out a lawsuite against Oregon and Boise State for unfair winning thru trickery and human error. That they deserve the National Championship because of some unfair practice blah blah blah. The bottom line is Oklahoma had chances to win both games but gave it away with poor execution. AMD had the ball and a chance and they blew their on load.
Why doesn't AMD go back to producing great products. Last I checked when the initial K8 generation came out they kicked ass. What was the result of those great products. They were embraced by the geeks, overclockers, peformance hounds, and soon SUN, IBM, HP, Google and others followed. They bought the best which was AMD. What happened, no amount of marketing and FUD from Chipzilla could stop AMD from taking 30% of the server and generating huge margins and profits for the first time. Then what happened? AMD got cocky, started taking the ball of the K9, thought they were so good that nobody was going to take them down. What should have happened thru 2005 and 2006 they should have continued swing for the fences and improving their offerings.Instead, they said lets go after the INTEL in the courts, got fat lazy and un-innovative. Deliver the goods and the market will reward you. Don't deliever and the courts can't help you. You come off looking like a loser.
If you look AMD's performance the past 3 years and even further back every time it was directly related to delivering great products and their own execution. Their fall from their cocky moutain top was due to the same things that undid them for years; poor products, shortage of manufacturing and technology. Its the same thing that undid INTEL from 2002-2006 for that matter.
Sorry no court will side with that kind of silly company that blames others for their own failures. Damm INTEL should sue AMD for producing a superior product and taking away all their MS in servers.
AMD seems to forget where that all of their fortunes are due to INTEL and worship the company that gave them life.
In the end the courts may find INTEL was a bit too agressive in pushing their product, but I really doubt that materially effected AMD's current situation or hindered their lack of MS growth in the past 4 years. THey ahd one stinking fab. Hector and Jerry should have raised 2 billion 4 years ago and they would have had a 90nm 300mm factory in 2005 pumping out another 50 million K8s. They would be sitting at 40% marketshare and the erosion of 5% points wouldn't have led to the crushing loss of the past 2 quarter.
Bottom line AMD's failure are all their own doing. Nothing to do with INTEL.
And please stop talkinga about how great AMD's GPUs are. AMd and the sill men in green have nothing to do with this generation. It was conceived and excuted long before Hector and is merry lot got ATI. i'm fully confident that future graphics will be bungled and slip like in AMds glorious past has shown.
Lex, nice post
Except IBM made Intel share the code as best I recollect.
AMD NEVER said anything about the speed of the R600. And R600 is faster than 7900GTX and perhaps even 7950GT.
WOW!! AMD's newest GPU is faster than Nvidia's previous generation!
This is AMD's very first GPU series and it's already a competitor. There is no doubt in my mind that AMD will soon control the top positions for both CPU and GPU.
Hah. R600 was developed by Ati. Has been the whole time.
AMD took Ati and ran them into the ground. What a sad state of afairs that is. Even if R600 was subpar and Ati was still a seperate company they had the huge chipset deal with Intel that was netting them about $100m a quarter. They don't have that anymore.
The 8800 Ultra is overpriced. It's only 12% faster than the GTX yet costs 50% more. That doesn't matter. It exists for the same reason Intel created the "Extreme Edition" line of CPUs. For people that insist on having *the* fastest hardware out there.
lex
You forgot trailing your post with a 'lol'.
people
Be sure that AMD is aiming at the goal... it's a long bow.
They're facing an order of (expected and unexpected) problems. It's up to their management and engineering to work in tandem and adjust the clock.
At the wits end, once more we'll have a great lesson of MPU design with K10, and Core 2 may look like what Netburst junk was to K8.
BTW, for those who think the 8800 Ultra is overpriced. When dual core first came out, AMD charged over $1000 US for a 4800+.
randyallen
BTW, for those who think the 8800 Ultra is overpriced. When dual core first came out, AMD charged over $1000 US for a 4800+.
ok don't flame me for this..
its the same as Intel charging $1000+ for Pentium EE 965. man that was some exciting time =D.
Bubba drooled...
"Lou,
You're ignorance can be forgiven, since you are obviously not in the US."
If that is what you consider ignorance, then ignorance truly is bliss. Of course you live in a fantasy world anyway, right?
Oh btw... *BUUUUZZZZZZ* WRONG! I live in the good ole US of A sucka! Looks like you don't get any concellation prizes and you won't even get to come back next week to try again, YOU FAIL AT THE GAME OF LIFE LOLZ! But thanks for playing, do come again and make a fool of yourself some more! X^D
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