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New x2 5400 (2.8GHZ) will be at 76 watt max, which is equivalent to Intel's 55 watt TDP.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 1/05/2007 09:17:00 AM
35 Comments:
I cant wait 'til the i get my hands on one and OC the hell out of it
What I would love to see: 2,8ghz 65W and 3,0ghz 76W
AMDs EE processors tend to be bad overclockers. The first tests of their 65nm processors also dissapointed.
"I cant wait 'til the i get my hands on one and OC the hell out of it"
Judging from current performance you would be better off with 90nm CPU's if you intend to OC them.
We don't need AMD 3+GHz processors. We need AMD clock-wise more efficient processors. You can pump GHz as a Prescott obtaining only a waste of electric power. If it's true the rumor I have heard the original Opteron developing team has gone and thus AMD is perhaps Game Over. I hope this never happens.
OT: Zram
Good article on Zram, which AMD is looking into. Sound promising.
Link
iveThumbs said...
"We don't need AMD 3+GHz processors. We need AMD clock-wise more efficient processors. You can pump GHz as a Prescott obtaining only a waste of electric power."
Indeed. This will come with K8L, aka Barcelona. Judging from the K8L's specs compared to C2D's specs from information and slides provided at AMD's Developers Conference, I believe IPC with the K8L will achieve parity or overcome C2D's current IPC when released.
"If it's true the rumor I have heard the original Opteron developing team has gone and thus AMD is perhaps Game Over. I hope this never happens."
Sorry, but I call shenanigans until a source for your rumor is shown.
Besides, one team of engineers does not a company make and I highly doubt they will all leave at once even over trivial matters. Engineers come and go all the time, I know I work with some of them. AMD indeed has some of the brightest minds in the business working for them...
http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/Careers/1,,51_82_13175_13439%5E13184,00.html
I expect that will continue indefinately as long as they have a yearning to remain an innovative company, keep a amiciable work enviroment and work incentives for thier employees. For thier Opteron design team leaving and then plotting the demise of AMD, that's just foolishness.
I thought ADM produced farm products, I didn't realize they made CPU's too.
Can't even spell check a 2 sentence post?
Also please point to a single data point (not projection) where actual power is MEASURED which shows Intel's 55W TDP is actually 76Watt max.
"Indeed. This will come with K8L, aka Barcelona. Judging from the K8L's specs compared to C2D's specs from information and slides provided at AMD's Developers Conference, I believe IPC with the K8L will achieve parity or overcome C2D's current IPC when released."
So it seems. Too bad those CPU's not to be released several months will be clocked lower than Intel quadcore released couple of months ago.
Intel is trying its usual con of a Giga Hertz war. Energy efficiency is what matters and this is what will win the day.
Intel is trying its usual con of a Giga Hertz war. Energy efficiency is what matters and this is what will win the day.
Yep that is why AMD released their super energy efficient 4x4 system.
Intel is trying its usual con of a Giga Hertz war. Energy efficiency is what matters and this is what will win the day.
Nope. AMD is doing this now. First 5400 and 5600 with higher clockspeed and more cache, and next 6000+ with even more clockspeed. It's still not enough to beat Core 2. AMD would need a CPU clocked at least 3.4 or 3.6Ghz to match the Core 2 X6800.
anonymous 1 said...
"Also please point to a single data point (not projection) where actual power is MEASURED which shows Intel's 55W TDP is actually 76Watt max. "
If you have access to old Intel CPU specsheets (look pre Core 2 era), they used to specify
a. TDP and separately
b. Max Power
Max Power is usually abt 11-12% higher than TDP in those spec sheets. In the footnotes, Intel also mentioned that TDP is NOT the max power that the CPU can dissipate.
But miraculously enough, when it came to the new Core 2 based designs, they stopped specifying the Max Power column. They do however retain the footnote that TDP is not the max power that the CPU can dissipate.
Assuming Intel specs a CPU at 55W TDP, the max power should be
1.11 x 55 W = 61.05W
You also need to factor in the IMC on the AMD processors (abt 15W).
So the equivalent rating (in AMD's definition) of the Intel 55W TDP processor is closer to 76W. Which is what Sharikou used.
ps has Intel released 55W desktop CPUs? I thought their standard was 65W TDP.
Anoymous 2 said...
"It's still not enough to beat Core 2. AMD would need a CPU clocked at least 3.4 or 3.6Ghz to match the Core 2 X6800."
The K8L quadcores would feature enhanced IPC cores that will also be used in future dual cores.
Improvements include
- 128bit FP/SSE instructions (matching Core 2)
- doubling key buffers in the decoding stage
- increased number of FastPath instructions
- improved branch prediction
- improved DRAM controllers
This should bring the IPC closer to parity.
AMDs EE processors tend to be bad overclockers. The first tests of their 65nm processors also dissapointed.
Not that I want to critisize peoples fun and hobbies, but I never really understood overclocking?
I sat there for a day once, overclocking a product till it seemed to run well. The only thing I got out of it was a wasted day, a faster PC by 5% and 5 lockups per month? Was it worth it? NO!
If I want a faster PC I go and buy a fasster PC or hardware, simple as that! The rest of the time alows me to work, be productive and acomplish real things.
Now I understand that some people have a real passion to twiddle with hardware... and that I respect!
But for those who try and convince me that they get added value out of doing this... well, they seriously need bigger challenges in life?
Intel is trying its usual con of a Giga Hertz war. Energy efficiency is what matters and this is what will win the day.
Yep that is why AMD released their super energy efficient 4x4 system.
The intended processor is a native quad-core K8L at mature 65nm... do make the difference.
When Microsoft releases it's shitty Beta sofware, when Google released its GMail in beta did we all yell "IT SUCKS" and made a big list of everyhing that is wrong with it?
No, normal people said "WOW, IT'S GOT POTENTIAL" and came to test it often.
So why would you Intel people keep on making statements like that... well that is simple too: Its called FUD!
I can understand your FEAR and feel sorry for your UNCERTAINTY. Sympathize with your DOUBT, but also am fed up of hearing it.
Take a deep breath and relax... everything will be alright for Intel!
"Not that I want to critisize peoples fun and hobbies, but I never really understood overclocking?"
My e6300 runs at 3.1GHz 24/7 at full load (S@H) with zero stability problems. That is around 67% faster CPU for no extra money.
"When Microsoft releases it's shitty Beta sofware, when Google released its GMail in beta did we all yell "IT SUCKS" and made a big list of everyhing that is wrong with it?"
Do car companies let their customers test their beta versions of cars?
"But for those who try and convince me that they get added value out of doing this... well, they seriously need bigger challenges in life?"
You are bad at overclocking. If you did it right and tested it right you would have no lockups and probably a faster overclock. I overclocked a 2ghz Opteron to 3ghz and performance in some applications increased up to 45%. Please explain to me how I wasted my time.
"Take a deep breath and relax... everything will be alright for Intel!"
You should tell the doc to do the same for Amd. He starts ranting about nazis and bk and chips catching on fire, now if that isn't ludacris then what is? Jeech!!!!
Not that I want to critisize peoples fun and hobbies, but I never really understood overclocking?
I sat there for a day once, overclocking a product till it seemed to run well. The only thing I got out of it was a wasted day, a faster PC by 5% and 5 lockups per month? Was it worth it? NO!
If I want a faster PC I go and buy a fasster PC or hardware, simple as that! The rest of the time alows me to work, be productive and acomplish real things.
Now I understand that some people have a real passion to twiddle with hardware... and that I respect!
But for those who try and convince me that they get added value out of doing this... well, they seriously need bigger challenges in life?
AMEN TO THAT. It's just not worth it. Pay for what you get and you always get what pay for.
AMEN TO THAT. It's just not worth it. Pay for what you get and you always get what pay for.
You guys are ridiculous, cutting down overclocking!!
Why NOT get a significant performance bonus from your CPU by doing a few minor tweaks? It's not like a car where you are screwing with a signifcant purchase or anything.
And if you use a CPU constantly like I do for let's just say two years (it's on autopilot at night) - you could possibly shave off 70 days of computing time! For the sake of heck, ten minutes of configuring?
Of course that's a linear way of thinking, but you get the drift. It doesn't cost anything more in terms of hardware - if you DON'T overclock a system that is easily capable of it you're either an idiot or a coward. Really.
"AMEN TO THAT. It's just not worth it. Pay for what you get and you always get what pay for."
You guys are just freaking n00bs who don't understand overclocking. 5% performance gain? Haha, what a joke of an overclocker you are. Real overclockers routinely get 50% performance gains.
You want to buy that FX-62 or X6800 if you want 'top' performance? Go ahead, just don't scream like a little girl when someone with an $180 E6300 @ 3.36GHz owns both your asses.
http://hardwarezone.com/articles/control.php?cid=2&id=2014
Yeah, no point in overclocking?!?!
Thanks for posting what AMD is churning out, considering most tech sites and the media no longer writes about obsolete parts from AMD.
When was the last time an AMD platform was used for testing new hardward again?
People who don't understand oveclocking are not enthusiasts...
Who want to discourage overclocking? People interested to sell overpriced CPUs. A little more MHz, a high, not proportional cost... Both AMD and Intel (well Intel ahead!) have "kindly" squeezed for years the enthusiast's wallet, but there are some enthusiasts a step beyond the others. The so called "overclockers". They tend to balance the unbalanced... "overqatsi!"
When was the last time an AMD platform was used for testing new hardward again?
They use one all the time at Amdzone lolol
You prove, yet again, oh great Sharidouche that you are neither a journalist or a phd.
A journalist and a phd would be able to publish information that is grammatically correct. A phd and a journalist would be able to do more than type sentences in broken english.
You ARE a liar, a jerk off who was fired from Intel for systems abuse, you are NOT a phd, you are not a journalist. I will cheer the day they finally put a sock in your mouth and toss your body into a river....
"When was the last time an AMD platform was used for testing new hardward again?"
Toms Hardware VGA Charts.
"Anonymous said...
People who don't understand oveclocking are not enthusiasts...
10:10 AM, January 07, 2007"
Way to edit my comments douchebag. This isn't everything I said in this post.
You ARE a liar, a jerk off who was fired from Intel for systems abuse, you are NOT a phd, you are not a journalist. I will cheer the day they finally put a sock in your mouth and toss your body into a river....
Hey. I don't give a rats ass about Sharikou's thoughts one way or another, and pretty much disagree with him every single time about every single thing he says and think he's the biggest windbag around.
But I definitely don't wish death upon him even no matter how much of an ass he can be.
In fact, if that's your attitude you should really get lost and never come back here, you sick fuck. You get your thrills by crusading against Sharikou, yeah, great, join the club. But wishing him dead is one step too far.
Sharikou, I'd ban that motherfucker's IP if Blogger provides the option.
You get your thrills by crusading against Sharikou, yeah, great, join the club. But wishing him dead is one step too far.
Sharikou, I'd ban that motherfucker's IP if Blogger provides the option.
If I feel threatened by Intelers' death threats, I will report that to FBI. But, i won't ban Intelers. Banning them would be lowering myself to their levels.
It's interesting that my two line blog entry about 35 watt X2s draw so much hatred from Patty's buddies. Their options worth zero now, I guess they are going to have a really bad Q.
Do car companies let their customers test their beta versions of cars?
Unfortunatly yes! They are called GM and Ford.
But the good news for concumers is that Toyota, Mazda and Honda only release the final versions of their products!
"Toms Hardware VGA Charts."
That is most likely because back when they started it Netburst would have been the only Intel option and it sucked. Now they can't replace the CPU since that would make comparing to older results impossible. Of cource they could redo all those benchmarks ...
"If I feel threatened by Intelers' death threats, I will report that to FBI."
I wonder who wants to kill the village clown.
"Unfortunatly yes! They are called GM and Ford."
It has to suck to live in US :)
"AMD should produce higher clock single core. We need some 3GHZ single core CPUs."
Sharikou I’m tired of explaining this to you and you don’t understand, so I will use your own language.
All AMD Single Core CPUs (The fastest is at just 2.4Ghz) FRAGS, COMPLEATLY FRAGS ALL THE ENTIRE SINGLE CORE INTEL CPUS.
So AMD never BOTHER in releasing faster single core parts because of that (Intel P4 3.8Ghz = Completely Jokes and no supply).
New Egg maximum clocked Intel P4 CPU selling: 3.2Ghz!!!!
AMD AM2 Athlon 3200+ frags that, even the Sempron would do the trick, with 4X less power consuming!!! THAT IS FRAG, FRAG, FRAG, FRAG!!!
If Intel releases some faster Single core CPUs based on Core 2 maybe, maybe!!!
"My e6300 runs at 3.1GHz 24/7 at full load (S@H) with zero stability problems. That is around 67% faster CPU for no extra money."
Take a look at aces forums for example, because they are reporting that your processor will survive 2, 3 years maximum because of some materials problems.
If Intel 14 stage 65nm processor doesn’t clock higher than AMD 12 stage 90nm processor, there must be some reason for that.
The P4 theoretically at 65nm should have been able to clock at least up to 7.0Ghz.
The extra 2 stage on Core 2 Duo should allow to clock 20% higher than the Athlon on the same cmos process. However like I said they clock the same an Intel have all the advantages to clock much higher, but didn’t do it yet.
AMD at 65nm is able to clock the Athlon up to 4.0GHz, but again, theoretically. And Intel Core 2 Duo up to 5.0GHz.
"Take a look at aces forums for example, because they are reporting that your processor will survive 2, 3 years maximum because of some materials problems. "
Who cares? It will be replaced by C2Q in a few months.
"The P4 theoretically at 65nm should have been able to clock at least up to 7.0Ghz."
With LN2 cooling it has ran at >7.2GHz. Problem is Netburst has some bad hotspots that can't be cooled very nicely.
"AMD at 65nm is able to clock the Athlon up to 4.0GHz, but again, theoretically"
In real world where we live only a few handpicked AMD CPU's go > 3.2GHz on air. With exotic cooling it is possible to get them >3.5GHz but only a few people are capable of that. C2D's are almost always limited by motherboard FSB capability, at least up to around 3.5GHz. That my 3.1GHz e6300 is running on default voltage since my motherboard can't tolerate FSB > 445*4=1780MHz. I know people running their e6300's at 3.6GHz, Getting other C2D's >4GHz isn't that difficult with good motherboards.
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