Power 6 to run at over 5GHZ
It seems that IBM's 65nm process is quite good.
Jerry Sanders said real men own FABs.
As I analysed previously, there are only two viable CPU architectures going forward: AMD64 and Power are all you need for enterprise computing and gaming. As Hector Ruiz promised us, the next AMD64 will be a real killer.
George Ou must be very happy to see this: Pentium D 805 with motherboard for $88, or Pentium D 945 with MB for $149 -- pre Vista yard sale. Years ago, I bought a Duron with MB for $88, now, Intel feels the urge to get some buck. But this is a much better deal--a doom3 capable combination for $179. You have to remember that AMD solutions are always Vista capable.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 12/29/2006 10:29:00 AM
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Too bad AMD's isn't.
Is the Power6 produced using the same SoI as K8 or using CMOS as Intel and Cell?
"Is the Power6 produced using the same SoI as K8 or using CMOS as Intel and Cell?"
CMOS is not mutually exclusive with SOI...
SOI is simply the substrate (thin Si layer on top of SiO2 on top of thicker Si).
CMOS = complementart metal oxide semiconductor which is a MOS technology that uses both PMOS and NMOS devices - this can be done on many different type of substrates - Si, SiO2, Ge...
IBM's 65nm is probably using SSOI (strained silicon on insulator) with CMOS.
AMD is using SOI (I believe) and will eventually migrate to SSOI as their 65nm process matures. Intel uses Si only. All use a CMOS pocess.
Hey Shak - don't suppose you were one of the bloggers who were given a laptop by MS and AMD in order to do reviews....
Nothing like trying to get your HW out for some UNBIASED, no conflict of interest reviews...
Apparently they are already starting to ask for some of the laptops back do to the PR backlash of GIVING AWAY computers for reviews.
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Jerry Sanders said real men own FABs.
That explains why Intel has 15 FABs and has 2 more under construction.
And also explains why Jerry's kids only own 2 FABs, rent a foundry, and have a 2 year exploratory window in New York to study if they will build their 3rd FAB.
Okay... I admit... Jerry's no longer in charge and that Dr. Hector de Jesús Ruiz (which is Spanish for "El Nino") is charge. To Hector's credit, he inherited the company from Jerry when FAB30 was the only FAB that AMD had. In the year or two prior, Jerry closed FAB14 and FAB15 in Austin.
In summary... Jerry wasn't a real man. Hector, however, is a real man. Remind me again why you're quoting Jerry Sanders?
Let me share another Jerryism... I was quiet while you were running your yapper bout Intel reducing their headcount by 10% or 10k people. In 2002, AMD laid off 15% or 2300 people, of which 1000 came by way of closure of FAB14 and FAB15. The thing I'd like to highlight is that the employees were notified by coming to work and finding the entrance doors chained and padlocked shut! This on my 30th birthday... Happy Birthday to me!
In September 2001, AMD had 15,300 employees. As of their 2005 annual report, AMD listed that they employed 9,860 people... a drop of nearly 5,500 employees 4 and 1/4 years or roughly 36% of the peak workforce!
I give Dr. Ruiz credit for turning AMD around but I also have to say that AMD probably would have been a better company and a bigger threat to Intel had that greedy, self-righteous, foolish sonuvabitch Jerry Sanders retired about a decade earlier than he did. He ran the company he founded into the ground.
Jerry was good for sound-bytes and you quoted one of his more infamous quotes. But you, Sharikou... you just don't know Jerry.
The thing I'd like to highlight is that the employees were notified by coming to work and finding the entrance doors chained and padlocked shut! This on my 30th birthday... Happy Birthday to me!
That's inhumane. But checkout faceintel.com .... :-)
Jerry wasn't a real man. Hector, however, is a real man. Remind me again why you're quoting Jerry Sanders?
I sorta agree. Hector Ruiz sued Intel for anti-trust. That's one of the major achievements by Ruiz. In a lot of ways, Ruiz is a professional soldier and strategist, he knows when to use which weapon and where to deploy his troops. The struggle between AMD and INTEL is a protracted war, tried military strategies must be used.
What is better for Doom3, that $179 AMD combo or 805+GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH + GeForce 7300GS for $180?
What if you allow the price to rise to $201 and use the x800GTO instead? I know ATI isn't the best GPU for Doom3 but for general gaming it is way better than that integrated 6100 that burns your memory bandwidth like there is no tomorrow.
805+GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH + GeForce 7300GS for $180?
Hmm. That's the price for a low Core 2 Duo 6300 CPU. Your example shows that Core 2 Duo must be a tough sell.
"Your example shows that Core 2 Duo must be a tough sell"
No, CD is just in another price category.
But as I understood you generally agree that for gaming, that old 805 is actually better than the x2 :)
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT101606194731
Has some real Power6 info.
-Mesh MCM
-Hardware support for binary-coded decimal and Altivec
-Checkpoint system
-L1 (data) cache double
-75GB/s Bandwidth (memory)
-80GB/s Bandwidth (across the MCM)
-50GB/s Bandwidth (from a remote processor)
The processors are sick, anyone in scientic research are going to love these.
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT101606194731
2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick.
"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."
I hope you really mean sick as in not healthy if you're going 2.5X on the clock speed and only getting 30% better performance, that's really pretty pathetic...
I hope you really mean sick as in not healthy if you're going 2.5X on the clock speed and only getting 30% better performance, that's really pretty pathetic...
Yes. It's worse than Pentium 4.
"Yes. It's worse than Pentium 4."
Good to see - so you agree the Power 6 is crappy scaling as well with clockspeed?
"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."
K8L doubled the core count but still gets only 40% performance increase on the same power level according to AMD.
One thing seems to be nice though, its data transfer speeds between cores and sockets seem to be way higher than ahat DC2 is going to woffer.
"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."
Where does it say that? I found this:
"IBM claims that the POWER6 will approximately double the POWER5’s performance. This was accomplished by doubling the frequency and bandwidth, while maintaining the same pipeline depth, and a host of incremental microarchitectural tweaks. "
"The basic pipeline for the POWER6 is the same number of stages as the POWER5, but they have been rebalanced across the different phases. Most significantly, dependent ALU operations now can execute back to back, eliminating a vexing kludge in the original POWER4/5 architecture. This makes the out-of-order scheduling easier, and is probably the reason that the instruction issue/dispatch phase uses 2 cycles in the POWER6 (compared to 4 in the POWER5)."
IBM itself seems to think these CPU's will be twice as fast as older Power5's.
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