Friday, December 29, 2006

Power 6 to run at over 5GHZ

It seems that IBM's 65nm process is quite good.

Jerry Sanders said real men own FABs.

As I analysed previously, there are only two viable CPU architectures going forward: AMD64 and Power are all you need for enterprise computing and gaming. As Hector Ruiz promised us, the next AMD64 will be a real killer.

George Ou must be very happy to see this: Pentium D 805 with motherboard for $88, or Pentium D 945 with MB for $149 -- pre Vista yard sale. Years ago, I bought a Duron with MB for $88, now, Intel feels the urge to get some buck. But this is a much better deal--a doom3 capable combination for $179. You have to remember that AMD solutions are always Vista capable.

20 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too bad AMD's isn't.

10:48 AM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Dr. Yield, PhD, MBA said...

Indeed it is. It also helps that the design was likely done with the 65nm process in mind.

AMD is currently suffering from a scalability issue that is likely in part due to the fact that the K8 was designed for 130nm node (180? don't remember), and has been repeatedly migrated to smaller nodes. This reduces frequency scaling because each migration introduces new speed paths and limiters that can only be handled with a re-layout instead of a "shrink and tweak" methodology. Don't think this is an AMD only problem- everyone does this. At some time though, you have to bite the bullet and do the real relayout. My hope is that K8L will be this- but those who know aren't (nor shouldn't) be talking about it.

11:12 AM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is the Power6 produced using the same SoI as K8 or using CMOS as Intel and Cell?

11:44 AM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Is the Power6 produced using the same SoI as K8 or using CMOS as Intel and Cell?"

CMOS is not mutually exclusive with SOI...

SOI is simply the substrate (thin Si layer on top of SiO2 on top of thicker Si).

CMOS = complementart metal oxide semiconductor which is a MOS technology that uses both PMOS and NMOS devices - this can be done on many different type of substrates - Si, SiO2, Ge...

IBM's 65nm is probably using SSOI (strained silicon on insulator) with CMOS.

AMD is using SOI (I believe) and will eventually migrate to SSOI as their 65nm process matures. Intel uses Si only. All use a CMOS pocess.

12:41 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Shak - don't suppose you were one of the bloggers who were given a laptop by MS and AMD in order to do reviews....

Nothing like trying to get your HW out for some UNBIASED, no conflict of interest reviews...

Apparently they are already starting to ask for some of the laptops back do to the PR backlash of GIVING AWAY computers for reviews.

12:54 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$10 sempr0n
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2227092&CatId=0

1:04 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous The Sheepshagger said...

Jerry Sanders said real men own FABs.

That explains why Intel has 15 FABs and has 2 more under construction.

And also explains why Jerry's kids only own 2 FABs, rent a foundry, and have a 2 year exploratory window in New York to study if they will build their 3rd FAB.

Okay... I admit... Jerry's no longer in charge and that Dr. Hector de Jesús Ruiz (which is Spanish for "El Nino") is charge. To Hector's credit, he inherited the company from Jerry when FAB30 was the only FAB that AMD had. In the year or two prior, Jerry closed FAB14 and FAB15 in Austin.

In summary... Jerry wasn't a real man. Hector, however, is a real man. Remind me again why you're quoting Jerry Sanders?

Let me share another Jerryism... I was quiet while you were running your yapper bout Intel reducing their headcount by 10% or 10k people. In 2002, AMD laid off 15% or 2300 people, of which 1000 came by way of closure of FAB14 and FAB15. The thing I'd like to highlight is that the employees were notified by coming to work and finding the entrance doors chained and padlocked shut! This on my 30th birthday... Happy Birthday to me!

In September 2001, AMD had 15,300 employees. As of their 2005 annual report, AMD listed that they employed 9,860 people... a drop of nearly 5,500 employees 4 and 1/4 years or roughly 36% of the peak workforce!

I give Dr. Ruiz credit for turning AMD around but I also have to say that AMD probably would have been a better company and a bigger threat to Intel had that greedy, self-righteous, foolish sonuvabitch Jerry Sanders retired about a decade earlier than he did. He ran the company he founded into the ground.

Jerry was good for sound-bytes and you quoted one of his more infamous quotes. But you, Sharikou... you just don't know Jerry.

1:42 PM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

The thing I'd like to highlight is that the employees were notified by coming to work and finding the entrance doors chained and padlocked shut! This on my 30th birthday... Happy Birthday to me!


That's inhumane. But checkout faceintel.com .... :-)

1:48 PM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

Jerry wasn't a real man. Hector, however, is a real man. Remind me again why you're quoting Jerry Sanders?


I sorta agree. Hector Ruiz sued Intel for anti-trust. That's one of the major achievements by Ruiz. In a lot of ways, Ruiz is a professional soldier and strategist, he knows when to use which weapon and where to deploy his troops. The struggle between AMD and INTEL is a protracted war, tried military strategies must be used.

1:59 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is better for Doom3, that $179 AMD combo or 805+GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH + GeForce 7300GS for $180?

What if you allow the price to rise to $201 and use the x800GTO instead? I know ATI isn't the best GPU for Doom3 but for general gaming it is way better than that integrated 6100 that burns your memory bandwidth like there is no tomorrow.

2:04 PM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

805+GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH + GeForce 7300GS for $180?


Hmm. That's the price for a low Core 2 Duo 6300 CPU. Your example shows that Core 2 Duo must be a tough sell.

2:48 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Your example shows that Core 2 Duo must be a tough sell"

No, CD is just in another price category.

But as I understood you generally agree that for gaming, that old 805 is actually better than the x2 :)

2:57 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT101606194731

Has some real Power6 info.

-Mesh MCM
-Hardware support for binary-coded decimal and Altivec
-Checkpoint system
-L1 (data) cache double
-75GB/s Bandwidth (memory)
-80GB/s Bandwidth (across the MCM)
-50GB/s Bandwidth (from a remote processor)

The processors are sick, anyone in scientic research are going to love these.

7:00 PM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT101606194731

2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick.

7:12 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."

I hope you really mean sick as in not healthy if you're going 2.5X on the clock speed and only getting 30% better performance, that's really pretty pathetic...

8:18 PM, December 29, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

I hope you really mean sick as in not healthy if you're going 2.5X on the clock speed and only getting 30% better performance, that's really pretty pathetic...


Yes. It's worse than Pentium 4.

9:14 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes. It's worse than Pentium 4."

Good to see - so you agree the Power 6 is crappy scaling as well with clockspeed?

10:26 PM, December 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."

K8L doubled the core count but still gets only 40% performance increase on the same power level according to AMD.

One thing seems to be nice though, its data transfer speeds between cores and sockets seem to be way higher than ahat DC2 is going to woffer.

12:53 AM, December 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2.5x clockspeed and 1.3x performance, that's really sick."

Where does it say that? I found this:

"IBM claims that the POWER6 will approximately double the POWER5’s performance. This was accomplished by doubling the frequency and bandwidth, while maintaining the same pipeline depth, and a host of incremental microarchitectural tweaks. "


"The basic pipeline for the POWER6 is the same number of stages as the POWER5, but they have been rebalanced across the different phases. Most significantly, dependent ALU operations now can execute back to back, eliminating a vexing kludge in the original POWER4/5 architecture. This makes the out-of-order scheduling easier, and is probably the reason that the instruction issue/dispatch phase uses 2 cycles in the POWER6 (compared to 4 in the POWER5)."

IBM itself seems to think these CPU's will be twice as fast as older Power5's.

1:08 AM, December 30, 2006  
Blogger S said...

Tiger's top sellers :

1. Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40G
2. Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz /
3. Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
4. Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40G
5. Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
6. Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2
7. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.40G
8. Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13G
9. AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2.60G
10.AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.20G

12:55 AM, December 31, 2006  

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