AMD will beat Intel by 50% in gaming
First, AMD GPU will contribute 20% performance advantage, then the AMD K8L core will contribute 25% performance advantage.
To get within 25% of AMD in gaming performance, Intel would have to use AMD GPUs. Once Windows Vista is launched, people will realize that only AMD and Nvidia GPUs are suitable for true Vista experience.
Interestingly, Charlie at INQ did not bother to try Solaris 10 -- otherwise, I bet you will see 10 more ##@$@s.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 12/31/2006 01:30:00 PM
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Hmmmn I make that 45%?
This is sharikou math, Amd always fraggs Intel by 500%. On a serious note this reminds me of when he was saying that the 4X4 will frag Intel by 80%, oh wait he still believes that never mind.
Those benchmarks are totally fake. There's not even a picture of the card or anything, and variables like clockspeed can still be changed before the launch. How's this for Sharikou? If the Ati Radeon R600 is faster than the Geforce 8800 GTX you'll need a Core 2 Duo CPU to get the full performance out of it! Even the cheapest Core 2 Duo E6300 can match a 4600+ AMD in games. AMD's old scrap processors are useless for games. Nvidia will be ready with the Geforce 8900 series as well, fresh frags for AMD. In addition, this will likely be a paper launch just like all the rest of Ati's products. Only Nvidia seems to be able to get it right:- When you launch the product you have the product available to buy!
"To get within 25% of AMD in gaming performance, Intel would have to use AMD GPUs."
This statement makes no sense - Intel doesn't make computers! (I think you mean consumers would have to use AMD GPU's?)
Also not really a valid comparison as Intel doesn't make discrete graphic cards (yet).
I realize times are a bit rough for AMD fans, but the random speculation and twisting of benchmarks seems to have picked up recently. Are the holidays getting you down? Did you not get the Kentsfield for Christmas that you were asking for? (Or did your new 4x4 cause a brownout?)
And do you really think K-late will contribute an additional 25% in gamings? (Which we all know is dominated by GPU). After trying to downplay the Core 2 performance for the last 6 months for this very same reason, I find it humorous that you expect the CPU to have such a profound effect on gaming...
You do realize that when the R600 eventually gets released it will address some of the gaming bottlenecks and make the K8, 4x4 look that much more pathetic compared to the Core 2.
Perhaps this is why the launch is so delayed? Without actually products and performance, AMD's been big on the PR front of late (see 4x4 launch, "65nm" process to name a few recently)
I thought games are GPU limited? You keep reminding us of that when Conroe frags K8.
Now the GPU limitation magically disappears and K8L is all of a sudden 25% in games?
LOL
This reminds me of the whole french revolution and the struggle to become frogs and stuff...yup sharikou is right about the frogs they jump 50% more than the non frogs. Oh and by the way....HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 2007 IBM will rule!!!!
"...AMD's been big on the PR front of late (see 4x4 launch, "65nm" process to name a few recently)"
AMD's PR is preferable to Intel's
bullsh1t! Where are those 10GHz processors that Intel promised everyone years ago???Core2Dunce is a flash in the pan so enjoy it while it lasts.
AMD in 2007: we will tear off both NVidia and Intel -:)
With the upcoming R600 and the already available GF 8800 todays games are CPU-Limited as long as you use standard resolution like 1280x1024.
GPUs are leading the way!
I BELIEVE THAT MONARCH COMPUTER IS QUITTING AMD BUSINESS. I CAN NO LONGER ORDER AMD OPTERON BASED WORKSTATION FROM THEM ANYMORE. ITS WEBSITE IS DISPLAYING INVALID PRODUCT CODE.
AMD's R600 blows the GF80 out of the water. AMD's K8L and future Fusion will place 2 high speed cpu cores with 2 GPU's at the same "Operating GHz" Of the cpu cores. Allowing unsurpassed CPU to GPU interconnective performance with a SLI'ed graphics card on top of that. This will make K8LF the most advanced CPU/GPU in the world where nothing can touch it in games.
Amd will become supreme overlord of the world and the weak shall tremble under the mighty K8L. AHAHAHAH!!!! ALL HAIL LORD AMD!!!!!!
"This will make K8LF the most advanced CPU/GPU in the world where nothing can touch it in games."
K8LF - almost sounds like K8 laugh...not quite as bad as K9...but it's still funny...how about K8LT as in K8late?
BTW when the hell did "mid-2007" become a "release date"; that's a release window as in we have no freakin clue even though the window starts in 3 months... heck with APM3.0 they should be able to predict the release date within a few hours no? (and of course tell us to 10 significant digits the operating frequency as each transistor can be individually tuned)
While fusion sounds cool and may have some good performance, does anyone have issue with ability to independently choose a CPU type and a GPU type... unless AMD releases a ridiculous # of SKU's the end user is going to be forced to take whatever combo AMD sees fit to force on the customer.
A good example is all those folks who were salivating to drop a 3800 or other AM2 chip into a 4x4 solution... or upgrade one chip at a time...or mix and match chip types...
Apparently AMD did not want to give users that flexibility and force fed a socket change to prevent this. What makes you think fusion will be any different?
Only need a low end graphics solution with a high end chip? Too bad, you'll take what we want you to... Want to make a budget gaming machine with a high end graphics solution and basic processor? Too bad our value packages Fusion only packages a low end with a low end.
Want to use an AMD chip and Nvidia graphics card? Will this be possible?
System on a chip concept is interesting and has value but for the enthusiast it also will likely take a lot of options/flexibility away.
On a serious note this reminds me of when he was saying that the 4X4 will frag Intel by 80%, oh wait he still believes that never mind.
AMD is currently in product transition, so you can't use the 4x4 and 65nm products as a comparision reference.
The 65nm is still in alpha/beta phaze, at least give it a few quarters before even using it as comparission.
As for the 4x4, this platform is mean to use a mature 65nm K8L product, so don't be too quick to point fingers.
Cause we can put the Pentium and Core processors right back in your face pretty damn quickly!!
"Core2Dunce is a flash in the pan so enjoy it while it lasts.
yeaah. i got one for myself finaly, the E6300 model, and guess what, the it didn't work. can't install windows XP pro - gives me a message saying something about BIOS not working with my SATA/RAID. i got MSI motherboard, and i've always been a fan of MSI so i know its not their fault.
Intel's fault."
You have no business even touching the inside of a PC based on your ignorant statement. There are plenty of janitorial positions you'd be more suited for. Perhaps you'll find yourslef working with Sharidouche.
Ho Ho Ho..
And who leads all platforms for gaming
INTEL, INTEL, INTEL.
Happy New Year Sharikou!
You start out the new year like you went out a LOSER, backing the inferior company with smaller market share, inferior silicon technology, inferior design, and lastely inferior benchmarks.
Ho Ho Ho.. Happy New Year
"As for the 4x4, this platform is mean to use a mature 65nm K8L product, so don't be too quick to point fingers."
So AMD is releasing an immature product to a bunch of guinea pigs so they can debug it faster?
If the platform was meant to use a "mature" K8l product (whatever that means), why release it BEFORE K8l is ready? Why not fix the chipset power consumption, enable more than 1 MOBO manufacturer and create/repackage a new K8 chip for it?
It is rather obvious - AMD had nothing for enthusiast mainstream so they try to keep the fanboys on the hook by releasing 4x4 before it is ready and then say it is upgradeable - so buy some 600-1000 chips that you should expect to throw away within less than one year?!!?!? (Not to mention the folks they convinced to move from 939 to AM2 to 4x4 to eventually "4x4+")
Oh and by the way the 4x4 you use today will not support all of the K8l features/improvements... Yeah AMD is being nice to their enthusiast following...
"The 65nm is still in alpha/beta phaze"
Is there any other company that takes its customers more for granted as AMD. They are shipping Alpha/Beta products for revenue. Not even microsoft, who usually gouge customers, does that!
System on chip is much the same as what Intel's integrated graphics offer at the moment. It is mostly for business PCs. With decent enough processing power and low cost, it should be attractive to AMD's "Strategic customers". It will definitely heat up competetion in the business pc space, But it is nothing that the enthusiasts should hop about.
Hey Dr. Frag why in this benchmark 32 bit VS 64 Bit the 64 bit speed gain is nearly negligible?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
BREAKING NEWS....
AMD Announces Strategic Initiative to Become One of the Top 10 Largest Paper Companies.
AMD CEO, Hector Ruiz says, "In 2007, natural resources are more important than ever. We are expanding our partnership with many companies across diverse industries. We expect to be the top microprocessor in the paper industry by 2015. There are many exciting and strategic events happening at AMD right now. Similar to our deeply strategic purchase of ATI, we are investing in paper resources and paper processing. We expect 2007 to be a very good year for AMD's next generation paper launches, leading to complete domination of the paper launch industry."
In related news, respected industry analyst Wood Chipper expressed his views that in favor of AMD sticking to paper launches through 2007, citing various economies of scale to support his analysis.
Minutes ago, AMD released the latest "Super Green Power Move" Roadmap:
2007 -- KL8
2008 -- KL8R
2009 -- KL8ST
2010 -- KL8SPACEODESSEY
Analysts continue to be impressed with the deep strategic thinkers at AMD. The company has evidently taken their city and stars theme to heart, with many mentions of "Nowhereville" and "Ursa Major" in secret roadmaps shown to top industry analysts.
"Ho Ho Ho.."
Intel are being sued by Transmeta over the design of Conroe.
Intel can't design a decent CPU without stealing from others-a case of INFERIOR Intel technology!
Intel is also being sued by AMD-a case of INFERIOR Intel morals not to mention lawlessness.
Intel need all the sales they can get to pay AMD billions of $ in compensation so I am glad there are people like YOU around to make a contribution!
"Intel are being sued by Transmeta over the design of Conroe."
Apparently, you forgot AMD is sued by several companies for infringement too!
People, people, and Sharikou,
the keyword is "WILL"
"R600 test site smells fishy "
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36671
Always good to use the INQ (or links they provide) as a source for your analysis. The only difference (well OK, not the ONLY one) is they have the courage to correct their mistakes, where you go into hiding and start a new post, so people forget your old ones.
Monarch Computer Systems is listed as one of the top 10 system manufacturers in the country by NASBA. Monarch Computer is especially proud to mention that they are an AMD (Advanced Micro Devices) Platinum Solution Provider, selling AMD processor-based desktop PCs, workstations..
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from Monarch website
Apparently, you forgot AMD is sued by several companies for infringement too!
Indeed! AMD is currently being sued by Microunity, Opti Inc and Silicon Graphics.
AMD shamefully copies other people's stuff with no regard for other's intellectual property; as is evidenced by these lawsuits.
Quote:"...The company has evidently taken their city and stars theme to heart, with many mentions of "Nowhereville" and "Ursa Major..."
So have YOU, as you are talking out of your URANUS!
K8L = K8 with a patched up Hyper Transport. I predict 45nm Penyrn will frag K8L by a 50%!
Do I sound like Dr. Sharikou in FUD?
compare ANY amd processor to the QX6700 and you'll find they are no match. And even the 2 x fx74 dual core processors (Amd's quad core that aren't out till mid-end 2007) only JUST match the qx6700 not to mention having double the power consumption.
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