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64 bit, 1GHZ, 3 to 8 watts. They are doing 8 to 16 core version in two years. I bet they will take a chunk of code from the OpenSparc project.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 9/19/2006 01:17:00 PM
27 Comments:
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Why link to that if it didn't even have those specs?
Dragon will supposedly perform like early Pentium 4s(1.6GHZ Williamette, crapper).
Celeron Ms, Pentium Ms, Core Solos, Core Duos, are miles ahead in terms of performance per watt compared to the 1.6P4, and they all offer ultra low voltage versions. I'd like to see the 3-8 watt stats for Dragon.
http://news.com.com/Intel+powers+up+plans+for+low-power+chips/2100-1006_3-5842125.html
"An unnamed chip coming a few years later is expected to consume a maximum of 5 watts of power, and an ultra-low-voltage version, 0.5 watt."
Could be Core 3 Celerons, or really underclocked Meroms. Either way, the article written a year from Conroe's release, yet Core 2's TDP today for mobile, server, desktop is still correct today so I'm sure Intel will achieve 0.5W parts.
"China will ban all 32 bit Core Duo chips soon."
Huh??? WTF are you talking about? Pass that riffer dude.
"China will ban all 32 bit Core Duo chips soon."
Core Duos are all 32 bit so saying that they are 32 bit is redundant.
Wasn't that the same chip that was ripped straight from P3?
Anyway, I'm not exactly impressed. Efficeon ran at 1GHz in 2003 and consumed around 5W. Only problem was it wasn't as fast as its power-hungry competitors.
One interesting, or to put it better, innovative thing was that it doesn't try to be yet another 8086 clone but tries to do something better. Too bad almost all of the availiable software has to run through translator to work on that architecture.
"China will ban all 32 bit Core Duo chips soon"
If it bans anything at all then it will ban all chips not made in China.
"Unlike processors from Intel, Advanced Micro Devices, or Via Technologies, the Godson-2E is not based on the x86 instruction set. Instead, the chip uses a modified version of the MIPS instruction set that replaces proprietary instructions with ones developed by ICT. This means the Godson-2E cannot be used in PCs running Microsoft’s Windows XP operating system.
But that does not worry Zeng. "The Godson is not meant for traditional PCs," he said, noting that efforts are underway to produce computing devices based on the Godson, including computers running the Linux operating system."
Woot, Linux, real taxing on the CPU:)
logging shorts and institutional holdings would be nice, changes to come soon
Don't tell them its not x86, they will ditch it because they can't run their pirate windows programs.
wyse up man.
Dual Core...Celeron .. ha ha ha ..
Intel is again late to the party ...
Conroe hasnt picked upsteam ..and what we already hear about a Quad core release..Can Intel sustain this business model ...which is the AMD's strong hold (APM Process).
No matter what Intel does the mindshare (and possibly market share)lost is irr-reversible ..and no amount of rush/dirty jobs like the Quad core or 16 cores is going to help that
Ouch, too bad that this means that Poorion00 will totally be forgotten since this chip trashes it at power consumption, price and performance :)
"Don't tell them its not x86, they will ditch it because they can't run their pirate windows programs."
I would think they prefer nice chinese Linux distribution to English windows. They are already massively moving away from Windows.
"I would think they prefer nice chinese Linux distribution to English windows. They are already massively moving away from Windows."
I don't think the problem is the OS, but the drivers. People are even complaining about the poor driver availability of 64-bit Windows; how is this Dragon chip any better?
Many hardware vendors do not disclose their driver source. It will be painful for an average user to use this Dragon chip for his desktop or notebook.
Maybe this chip was not a replacement for the PC, but for embedded devices where MIPS dominates. Even there I don't expect it be more successful than current MIPS processors on the market.
The chip might represent a big feat or great national pride for the Chinese, but IMO it is not very useful, and has only marginal impact on the world (including Chinese) market.
"I don't think the problem is the OS, but the drivers. People are even complaining about the poor driver availability of 64-bit Windows; how is this Dragon chip any better?"
I can say from personal experience that drivers for 64bit Linux are in better state than for 64bit windows :P
China will ban all 32 bit Core Duo chips soon.
Sharikou is retarded. Intel employs lots of Chinese engineers and the government isn't as retarded as Sharikou, therefore they won't do something this stupid. This is why Intel and AMD CEOs don't listen to you. Well, this and the fact that you're stark raving mad.
Seems like Intel want to clear it's inventory... and fast!
Pentium 531, 74$ -> 69$ (-7%)
Pentium 541, 84$ -> 74$ (-12%)
Pentium 631, 163$ -> 69$ (-58%)
Pentium 641, 163$ -> 74$ (-55%)
Pentium 651, 163$ -> 84$ (-49%)
Comparison of current DP solutions from Intel and AMD..
Intel has a low voltage part(LV 5148) coming Q306 rated at 40W, mainstream(5110-5150) at 65W, and high end(5160) at 80W.
AMD has the High Efficiency (2210HE-2216HE) rated at 68W, mainstream (2210-2218) rated at 95W, high end (2220 SE) at 120W.
In summarization, the mainstream Xeon 51XXs are cooler than AMD's HE 22XX. Clovertown will have twice as many cores as 2200SE, yet have similar TDP.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/15/amd_releases_socket_f_and_am2_opteron/
"AMD confirmed to TG Daily that it will be offering a 68W quad-core processor."
Sounds like 68W quads will be the coolest from AMD.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=671378&starttime=0&endtime=0
"There is low voltage quad-core Clovertown..TDP is just 50W."
WOW some pretender said..
Seems like Intel want to clear it's inventory... and fast!
Pentium 531, 74$ -> 69$ (-7%)
Pentium 541, 84$ -> 74$ (-12%)
Pentium 631, 163$ -> 69$ (-58%)
Pentium 641, 163$ -> 74$ (-55%)
Pentium 651, 163$ -> 84$ (-49%)
Looks like AMD is in for some serious hurt having to drop prices again. INTEL will have a good Q4 moving these babies as AMD has an ugly quarter sucking losses.
Who is going BK pretender?
Pentium 531, 74$ -> 69$ (-7%)
Pentium 541, 84$ -> 74$ (-12%)
Pentium 631, 163$ -> 69$ (-58%)
Pentium 641, 163$ -> 74$ (-55%)
Pentium 651, 163$ -> 84$ (-49%)
With an ASP of $75, Intel will see its revenue dropping from $8 billion to $5.3 billion. BK in two quarters.
China will ban all 32 bit Core Duo chips soon. These chips are not only tech garbage, they are also a national security threat.
I like how after I point out that SHarikou is indeed retarded, which is about as obvious as point out that George Bush is an idiot, Sharikou then ups the ante and writes an even more inflammatory update to this post. Now not only is China going to ban C2D but it is also a national security threat. What a fool.
"In summarization, the mainstream Xeon 51XXs are cooler than AMD's HE 22XX."
That will largely depend on what memory is used. FBDIMM needs about 3-4x more power than DDR2.
Of cource FBDIMM will not be used in newer designs, most likely those LV Xeons coming next year will not be using them.
"BK in two quarters."
Would you be willing to bet on that? I'd be ready to bet almost anything that Intel will not BK in 8 quarters :)
Comparison of current DP solutions from Intel and AMD..
Stupid biased fan boy post.
AMD also as 30W and 55W parts stupid FUD fan boy.
Intel 80W TDP == AMD 55W TDP.
In other words Intel TDP is rated 40% lower, if Intel says 40 they really mean 60. Also TDP doesn’t mean total power consuming.
"AMD confirmed to TG Daily that it will be offering a 68W quad-core processor."
Sounds like 68W quads will be the coolest from AMD.
You don’t know what performance they will deliver.
"There is low voltage quad-core Clovertown..TDP is just 50W."
Again Intel TDP <> AMD TDP.
And again, you don’t know the performance they will deliver.
Sharikou you must stop posting this Intel Fan boys FUD.
Who is going BK pretender?
Intel is not making money stupid fan boy.
Now if you don’t make money what do you do? Give P4 to your employers to pay their month work, and maybe some to Fan boys like you, to pay for the FUD.
In case you don’t remember AMD have already worked at loss, at lower prices and have survived. Intel we don’t know.
What you Intel Fan boys don’t understand is that AMD will have Ati. And with Ati AMD can go Hollywood “offer” excellent cinematic solutions to Lucasart. Maybe even Disney or Pixar. Very $$$$$ render farms. Intel can’t do any of this.
AMD is going after the big money. Intel will keep with the extremely low end.
Intel 531 for 69$ is still too expensive. Lower performance than sempron and more power consuming. Who as to lower prices even more is Intel.
Celeron only for 20$ or so I would by one. Pentium 4 some 40$.
Anonymous said...
"Who has to lower prices even more is Intel."
What you fail to integrate into your pro AMD argument is marketing.
We have said this many times before, people know Intel, they do not know AMD, at least not to the extent of Intel, and until they are on TV, in Magazines, and all over the Internet (not just on tech sites) they will reach a certin market share and stop.
They need to push, and push hard.
There is no question that Intel is in a situation when looking at there inventory numbers, but if they clear it and make it into Q2 07 next year looking ok, say goodbye to some of the marketshare AMD has gotten, not server but retail, and say good bye to Sharikous BK claims.
"Intel will keep with the extremely low end.
Intel 531 for 69$ is still too expensive. Lower performance than sempron and more power consuming. Who as to lower prices even more is Intel."
It is exactly as Dr Ruiz said: the monopoly has to keep its market share at all cost to keep its business model. Intel will keep lowering its prices as long as its market share is slipping.
It is only obvious to see that the market share loss of Pentium is not picked up by Core2, but mostly by Athlon64.
However, for PC, there is a limit where lower CPU price can help market share. Lets say a Pentium is $70, slower, and more power hungry, whereas an Athlon64 is $90, faster and cooler. Which one will you buy, a $300 slower & nosier PC or a $320 faster & cooler one?
And most people will only buy one good box at a fair price - no matter how cheap the obsolete ones become, they simply don't need two PCs in their living room (especially one that's noisy and literally hot).
Unless, of course, Intel is trying to dump all these aging stock and obsolete production to the poor countries. Haven't Dr. Ruiz forseen this coming when he launched 50x15 like a year ago? Really, you have to admire this man; he is a good.
"AMD also as 30W and 55W parts stupid FUD fan boy."
First, cut the flaming. Second, AMD does not have 30W/55W dual core DP Opteron 2XXXs.
"In other words Intel TDP is rated 40% lower, if Intel says 40 they really mean 60. Also TDP doesn’t mean total power consuming."
Find a link saying it's 40% lower. Intel's TDP isn't max rated, but no where near 40% lower. And more TDP means less heat, less power basically.
"You don’t know what performance they will deliver."
I didn't say I knew, I just said that AMD said they'll offer !a 68W part, meaning that will be their low voltage quad.
"And again, you don’t know the performance they will deliver."
I didn't say anything on the Xeon 50W quads's performance.
"Lets say a Pentium is $70, slower, and more power hungry, whereas an Athlon64 is $90, faster and cooler. Which one will you buy, a $300 slower & nosier PC or a $320 faster & cooler one?"
Now the only question is if you asked a 100 random people on the street this question what do you think the relative response rate would be? I would be willing to bet over 50% would go for the cheaper one.
You're living in a dream world where you assume everyone is fully versed on the specifics of each computer chip. And for the average Joe who is surfing the web and doing email, is there really a substantial performave difference that THEY would notice?
First, cut the flaming. Second, AMD does not have 30W/55W dual core DP Opteron 2XXXs.
Sorry about the flaming, but I just had come from most pro Inhell web site forum.
4 digits versions no, but 3 digits yes.
Since they still sell 3 digit versions, they still have 30W and 55W parts.
Dual-Core AMD Opteron™ 875 HE 2.2Ghz Socket 940 55.0W 2 MB .09 micron SOI
Dual-Core AMD Opteron™ 275 HE 2.2Ghz Socket 940 55.0W 2 MB .09 micron SOI
Also 2.0, 1.8 and 1.6 versions.
Find a link saying it's 40% lower.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/presler_8.html
Pentium XE955 TDP 130W - "Real" Power consuming 156W.
Pentium XE840 TDP 130W - "Real" Power consuming 178W.
Pentium 4 570 TDP 115W - "Real" Power consuming 162W.
AMD FX57 TDP 104W - "Real" Power consuming 73W.
I didn't say I knew, I just said that AMD said they'll offer !a 68W part, meaning that will be their low voltage quad.
They never said that. What they said is they will keep the same power as the Dual core parts.
?Well Intel is also still sellingXeon LV 1.66/2.0 at 30W. So what, Sossman, and AMD 3 digit series are previous generation. And there is an 53/84% premium for the HE models you listed.
And how about a link using nonleaky heaburts CPU and one using Intel's new performance per watt philosophy (Core).
"They never said that. What they said is they will keep the same power as the Dual core parts."
But they did say that.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/15/amd_releases_socket_f_and_am2_opteron/
"AMD confirmed to TG Daily that it will be offering a 68W quad-core processor."
And if they're going to use their current TDP of 68/95/119, they'll compete with
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=671378&starttime=0&endtime=0
Intel's quads at 50/80/120. And that's coming from 40/65/80 Woodcrests, so Intel has more headroom for performance, where AMD will most likely have worse single threaded performance just to be in line with TDP.
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