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It must have been fun. I bet he got all the parts for free -- except the case, maybe.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 9/18/2006 09:05:00 AM
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Building a "4x4 box" is just building a 2P system.
Many people have been doing that for a long time.
I doubt "4x4" is really any cheaper than a low-end 2P system. The only difference will be less testing of the motherboard because it is for gamers and not for the data center.
It looks like K8L is going to have very aggressive power scheduling. If it doesn't work better than these 2 dual-core Opterons, it means the processors will never run full speed unless you disable "PowerNow" (if even then).
So unless software gets pervasively multithreaded, there will be no real speedups.
The other thing that stands out is how "4x4" is really just "SLI for processors". Other than for a small fringe of users, it is just a gimmick:
Phil Hester himself said that “The 4X4 initiative was driven by multithreaded games,” even though there are hardly any “true” multithreaded games on the market. Is AMD looking ahead in the gaming arena? Absolutely.
So maybe one day there will be some mainstream use for "4x4", but no one can say when that will be or what that will be.
Somewhere down the road, 9-12 months from now, we will either have amazing systems from AMD or we will see that K8L is another AM2 dud design.
Meanwhile, there will be hundreds of blog entries, just on this blog, prattling about it. Ah, mankind; so many people, so little talent.
Wanting a more defined answer about IPC and where it will be in relation to Intel’s Core 2 Duo architecture, we went back to AMD and asked for exactly that. Gamers know this is going to be of the utmost importance. Phil Hester left us with this:
“With our next-generation architecture we expect to continue our track record of delivering industry-leading performance. When you combine this with 4X4 you change the rules of the game, and provide an enthusiast-class platform that is upgradeable, scaleable and unparalleled in terms of performance.”
In other words, he didn't answer the question. This is the most hilarious article I have ever come across. When you ask about IPC of K8L, the dude starts talking about K8L. This can mean only one of three things:
1. He is deaf.
2. He is an idiot.
3. He is not so sure about IPC of K8L.
Take your pick.
RE: Core2dude
Phil Hester
Born:
April 30, 1955, Corpus Christi, Texas
Education:
University of Texas at Austin, BSEE, 1976; MS, engineering, 1981
Current position:
CTO, Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
Previous jobs:
# Newisys co-founder and CEO, 2000-05
# IBM Corp., 1977-2000: CTO, PC Division; general manager, Integrated Product Solutions Division; vice president of hardware development, RS/6000 Division
Awards and patents:
# Owner of 12 patents
# IBM Outstanding Technical Achievement Award for RS/6000 work
Core2dude, you make me laugh..AT you. LOL
"...This can mean only one of three things:
1. He is deaf.
2. He is an idiot.
3. He is not so sure about IPC of K8L.
Take your pick."
You forgot the right answer:
4. He doesn't want Intel to know what they are up against any earlier than is necessary, and Core2Dud is an idiot.
Oh yes, and 4X4 is a gimmick. That's what innovative companies do when they are beat they come up with gimmicks to allow the enthusiast market to still thrive with their products. What was Intel's innovative gimmick the last 3 - 5 years?
Well, that then rules out the first two. In that case it has to be the third one: they are not sure of K8L IPC.
P.S.: 12 patents is nothing. Winners of Max patent award at IBM routinely file (and get) 60+ patents a year and those at Intel get 40+ patents a year.
Actually he just forgot the fourth point:
4) its a secret
When you ask about IPC of K8L, the dude starts talking about K8L
IPC of K8L is already discussed during the tech analyst day, 60% improvement on integer and 200% improvement on FP. Dirk Meyer told you AMD will have a faster core (compared to Intel).
"4) its a secret"
Basically, anyone that is upgrading to AM2 is upgrading based on hope.
IPC of K8L is already discussed during the tech analyst day, 60% improvement on integer and 200% improvement on FP. Dirk Meyer told you AMD will have a faster core (compared to Intel).
Show us the 60/200 links.
AMD said it'll have 'leading performance'. Don't they have an FX62 ad with 'leading performance' claims?
Too lazy to look up the proof yourself man? Theres plunty of proof if you read it. But nooo people are too lazy and want to have the silver flying carpet and thrown rolled out before them.
Lazy bones, We aready know K8L is killer like he says and I know for a fact spec for spec Conroe is in no compitition for K8L. Conroe couldn't even wave a stick at even 1 of its cores. Its aready more then 50% faster then K8's alone. (K8L is I'm talking about) Conroe is only 10% faster then K8's.
But I guess some people will have t o wait for it to really come out to say we told you so. That would leave you speachless. Well guess you don't know about K8L well good for you its best you don't know its specs. To be blunt it uses similar data processing and works on faster cycles per clock. If you know what that mean then you know Duo2 will be no more...
man...we need to have some crusade against those fake Intel Centrino ads..trying to spread FUD. Actually all Intel ads.. And all this in the middle of exploding laptops and hackable wireless chipset ..
I think Intel should be banned from having processor ads for laptops,desktops etc ...why ..if I buy a laptop ..I might leave it to the vendor's good judgement (HP or Toshiba or oven SONY) to decide what processor to use. I would fully trust the vendor to select a particular processor to meet the needs ...why should I care if it is an AMD or Intel. Cost is another factor that decides.
Ofcourse this is only true for the consumer market ...But if i am a gamer or planning to deploy enterprise level servers or high perf computing platforms I might get into the nitty gritty...
What is then the purpose of the Intel laptop ads ???
I remember reading like somewhere in Europe that banned an Intel ad that said something like "for better music use a Centrino " ..atleast those folks have some commonsense
Both camps wants to be ahead of the ball game but you have to realize a new design like conroe is more advance than amd64 in many respects and that is why their benchmark are ahead to any amd 64. K8L is design to be ahead on conroe design such as double the FPU which translate improve performance. With both camps are improving their design, consumer benefits all of these aspects. We don't want both of them to loose because if this happens all consumers will face a nighmare because they can monopolize the market and they will not come up any idea to improve their design. There will always be intell fans and there will always be an AMD fans. You can never change their belief once they started liking the product. It's just a facts of life!
Don't get so confident.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=671374&starttime=0&endtime=0
Kentsfield is launching November at 2.67GHz Extreme Edition and by Q1 mainstream Kentsfields will be available at 2.4GHz.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=671378&starttime=0&endtime=0
You can complain about TDP but they have Cloverton in Q4 too. There are several Clovertons with 1333MHz FSBs afterall and the most exciting is the 2.33GHz 1333MHz one with a 80W TDP. Not bad at all. This means that the mainstream Kentsfield's could easily have a 80W TDP as well. (The chart list them all as 1067MHz FSBs, but you can tell the 2.33GHz model has a 1333MHz FSB by it's clock speed. You can't get 2.33GHz with a 1067MHz FSB. Plus, the 2.33GHz and 2.67GHz Clovertons have their names ending in a 5 which denotes 1333MHz FSBs while regular 0s have 1067MHz FSB.)
Note that a 50W TDP Cloverton is arriving in Q1.
The Kentsfield used by Toms was just a little over PE965 in terms of wattage, which is in turn, just a little over FX62.
“performance improvement of 150% over the next two years that will be within the same power envelope.”
Core 2 arrived with less wattage, more performance. Comparing PE965 with Kentsfield, they'll stay within the same power envelope, but Kentsfield already has the lead in gaming with the Core 2 goodness, and the ~80%(I'm going to assume that 150% means 50% more than current offerings) gains in threaded apps.
Remember the story that Intel CTO used a picture of an Opteron board during IDF?
This can mean only one of four things:
1. He is blind.
2. He is an idiot.
3. He has no clue.
4. He copies so much of AMD stuff, he's confused.
"IPC of K8L is already discussed during the tech analyst day, 60% improvement on integer and 200% improvement on FP."
Ah, those theoretical numbers. I know that Core2 had 200% or more FP performance improvement too but I'm not 100% sure about its integer performance. I think it was somewhere around 40-60%.
Someone should run superpi under 64bit windows to see how much better it is compared to netbursts or K8 or whatverer else. 64bit because then the macro-op fusion wouldn't mess up the results. Superpi should show integer performance rather nicely.
Idont understand intel fanboys...
sharikou atacks the kentsfield because only gets better performance when you use super heavy threaded applications, and they all defend so..
sonow sharikou posts something related to a quad core k8, or 4 x 4 system wich does very fine in multithreaded just like kentsfield, but here they come the fanboys of intel, now atacking the k8 because "its depends too much on multithreaded applications to deliver good performance"
Iswear these kiddies only try to find whatever excuse to bash AMD
On a side note, it seems like Intel is gonna launch a bunch of single core Conroes:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4252
I guess they have A LOT of Core2Duo coasters to cut up?
Just like how amd fan boys are soo quick to believe the k8l hype with ABSOLUTELY NO BENCHMARKS but when conroe was being benchmarked everyone didnt believe it even though the numbers were staring them rite in the face. They came up with all the stupid excuses which eventually got owned once conroe was released.
X6800 beats the fx-62 chip on the average (across all benchmarks) by atleast ~20% so where people get this information about conroe being only 10% faster than k8 is beyond me. Probably the same people that are waiting for their reverse hyperthreading bios update.
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