Tuesday, February 21, 2006

VIIV will be fragged by AMD Live!

This page gave the specifications for INTEL's V//V and AMD Live! Allow me to copy it here:

AMD LIVE! Desktop PC
AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual-core processor (65W energy efficient CPU)
Windows Vista Premium (includes Away Mode support)
Discrete or UMA graphics (DX9, HDCP required if HDMI used)
5.1 HD audio with SPDIF output
RAID 0. 1 with SATA (NCQ support recommended)
2 to 4 DIMMs of DDR2 667/800MHz
Ports: 6 (minimum) USB 2.9 and IEEE 1394 (FireWire 400)
GigE LAN and optional 802.11b/g (a is optional)
Slots: 16L & 1L PCIe and 1x PCI minimum
Low Acoustic Noise level (to be determined)

AMD LIVE! Entertainment PC
Same as LIVE! Desktop PC except:
AMD Athlon 64 X1 dual-core processor (35W and 6W energy CPU)
SATA HD support
Support for low profile form factors

Intel Viiv Platform
Core Duo Processor / Pentium D / Pentium Extreme Edition
Intel 945 series or 955 series chipset
Pro 100/1000 PM/VE/VM network adapters

Clearly, INTEL's V//V is just another effort of bundling outdated INTEL 32 bit FSB based hardware for more profit, while AMD Live! is a set of industry leading technologies combined to enhance people's life style.


Blogger netrama said...

What about the Vendor support and Content for AMD ??

Looks like AMD uses scietists for both R&D designing and sales.
while Intel uses marketing guys for both . hi hi

11:29 AM, February 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Intel also is spending a lot of money to enable unique content providers to provide digital entertainment and frankly, AMD cannot do this because they are viewed by the mainstream as the gaming pc processor company. I am in the business and we sell a lot of AMD servers and workstations, but AMD does have a hard time shaking it's gamer roots. Intel knows they are behind, but they are stressing other things in their future designs that are more than one-trick pony AMD with speed. Stability, serviceability and creating an ecosystem for broadband based entertainment are things that Intel does very well. AMD does not have the market presence or the financial strength to do what Intel can. AMD will do fine with their design and get their usual 20-30% market share (more in retail) but Intel still has a lot of corporate trust involved because of the things they do that don't directly affect their bottom line but push the industry forward. Look at Centrino, it was a hardware standard, but part of the investment was millions to enable wireless hotspots everywhere. Before Centrino, 12% of laptops had wireless, after Centrino now almost 3 years later, 95% of laptops are wireless ready...Viiv will be the same way. AMD Live will be a "me too" product the same way that Intel's EM64T and Dual Core were...they acknowledge that, but both sides are capable of innovation and both do it quite well. Now Dell, there's a company that is completely useless as everyone wishes were dead and buried....

12:58 PM, February 22, 2006  
Blogger netrama said...

But getting into content is dirty business..look at the mess Sony is in since last 2 decades !!
Only Apple has been able to pull up the 'works' with there iTunes thingy..
I believe that PC has evolved to a maturity level like that of Cars..
What kind of innovations do you see in cars these days ?? - may be a rear view camera !!
Does it compare to a Quad Core Equivalent. The PC industry is definitely hitting a wall as far as
the average PC user is concerned. Infact most of the Processing Power today is an over kill. There was a theory going around that Intel is not happy with Microsoft since they are not creating "software" - the kind of bulky and bloated that gives you the hour- glass, so that Intel could sell more bullshit MHz !!
Coming back to VIIV - I am surprised that what ever features that it offers , I can do all that on my PC now.
So since it is offering nothing new - I believe that it is purely a marketing push by Intel to sell their outdated sh**t , like sharikou has explained. But this time (unlike Centrino wave) they are not alone and I am sure they will get their ass kicked. AMD is playing the game in Intel's Playground itself.

To summarise ,it looks like Intel is a clueless , directionless ship in the ocean..trying to sell ppl sh**t like VIIV ..where as we would come to know of AMD as a more focussed ,high performance,power conscious and technology oriented, with clearly defined segments like gaming , servers and averge joe PC .. compares to "Sports Cars" , "SUVs" and "Sedans" and this is clearly the future of the PC Industry ...I too see AMD at 160! what do you think ??

2:04 PM, February 22, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

If INTEL is adding content, the extra cost will definitely be included in the CPU/Chipset/Ethernet card bundle. What's absurd is INTEL specified VIIV with 3 pieces of INTEL chips, while completely ignoring the neccessary components such as graphics, HDTV and audio components, which INTEL doesn't make. AMD Live! is good for all. V//V is only good for INTEL.

3:00 PM, February 22, 2006  
Anonymous Jonathan said...

It's funny how easy it is to see that VIIV is not about helping the consumer out at all, but only about helping to confuse them into buying an Intel pc. Its kind of strange that it does not even matter which Intel pc it is, and how much power it chews up. AMD live limits the cpu to a fast, but energy efficient model, so you know exactly that you are getting a fast and quiet and efficient pc. Intel on the other hand slaps Viiv on all of its cpu's, so the consumer can be tricked into getting some crappy netburst chip inside their PC, or whatever intel decides. Also, since intel does not care about the specifications of the other components, compatibility is not even ensured. It is all about selling more CPU's and not about the consumer needs.

Also, i agree that most of the time, for the average consumber, new cpus are overkill. Either that or other subsystems slow the PC down far more than the CPU. I have a barton 2500+, and I never have trouble running any program i want to sufficiently fast (sure dual core would be nice, but are usually not needed). What i'm looking for in a new pc would be not just more CPU performance, but much lower power consumption, a smaller form factor for a case, and a speedup for other vital pc subsystems. I think this is one of the directions AMD is going with AM2, and i really like their specifications for their lower power dual core in their AMD Live! platform, much moreso than than intels.

I don't know why, but whenever i hear netburst now i just shudder at the prospect of having a pc that can cook eggs more efficiently than doing what it's supposed to do.

10:01 PM, February 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VIIV is just another grand plan by the idiot marketers at Intel they want to get into the revenuve streams of Media distribution. Another reason to sell Intel they are getting away from their core business.

12:20 AM, March 12, 2006  

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