Friday, August 25, 2006

CM1 is all you boys and girls need

$140 price tag, 400MHZ AMD CPU, 1200x900 LCD, Audio, Wif-Fi, built-in web cam, SD slot.

I think CM1 is a case of reverse discrimination. Now 3rd world kids get the cutting edge technology with automatic peer-to-peer WiFi grid network, while American businessmen get bulky and hot Core Duo notebooks that explode during conferences.

I'd like to have an AM1 (Adult's Machine 1) with the same specs.

I ran into this workstation virtualization solution product page, which is quite interesting, as it supports AMD-V. If you know any similar products, please comment.

I spent hours trying the virtualization workstation product linked above. It's a wonderful piece of software. I run a Windows XP installation inside a Windows 2000 server host. I see no slow down. I am installing a bunch of software into the hosted Windows XP. Now, imagine a hacker who hacked into the Windows XP installation --It's like Neo entered Zion -- he thinks Zion is real, but it is just another virtualized world.

23 Comments:

Anonymous Graham said...

I did notice that the AMD Geode processor used in OLPC is not 64-bit. So what does it have to do with the blog? You should change the name of your blog to "Journal for Pervasive Intel slandering and AMD fanboyism."

12:24 PM, August 25, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

I did notice that the AMD Geode processor used in OLPC is not 64-bit.

Initially, it's 32 bit. But eventually, it will be 64 bit based on 45nm process and the K8L/Bulldozer core.

12:37 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Parallels can out with Intel VT support first and they've added AMD Pacifica since then.

1:18 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Initially, it's 32 bit. But eventually, it will be 64 bit based on 45nm process and the K8L/Bulldozer core.

Is AMD still developing Geode. I thought it was spun off or sold. Maybe I'm confusing it with XScale.

1:19 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You should change the name of your blog to "Journal for Pervasive Intel slandering and AMD fanboyism."

If you don't like the man's blog, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Sharikou's made it pretty clear he is a fan of AMD and that's his perrogative being THAT IT'S HIS BLOG.

I'm sure there's lots of other Intel ass-kissing sites that will cater to your equally biased viewpoints if you or Intel are so wronged here. Have fun and buh-bye, IMHO you won't be missed.

1:35 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, kind of like the Pentium 3 is 32 bit, but will be 64 bit based on the 65nm process and Conroe core? Same difference, right?

1:49 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous SaintGreg said...

Looks like a real winner. I can't wait until they trickle down to the non-3rd world.

2:01 PM, August 25, 2006  
Blogger "Mad Mod" Mike said...

"So, kind of like the Pentium 3 is 32 bit, but will be 64 bit based on the 65nm process and Conroe core? Same difference, right?"

lol that's a pretty good analogy.

3:38 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous nonworkingrich said...

sharikou, in all honesty, I think graham is right.
Furthermore, the blog name he suggested sounds much funnier and simply more interesting. You really should consider adopting it.
At least setup a second blog with this name, a collection of your best entries. I am sure the "Journal for Pervasive Intel slandering and AMD fanboyism" would achieve cult status quite quickly.

5:06 PM, August 25, 2006  
Blogger "Mad Mod" Mike said...

"sharikou, in all honesty, I think graham is right.
Furthermore, the blog name he suggested sounds much funnier and simply more interesting. You really should consider adopting it.
At least setup a second blog with this name, a collection of your best entries. I am sure the "Journal for Pervasive Intel slandering and AMD fanboyism" would achieve cult status quite quickly"

Regardless of how hardcore pro-amd or pro-intel or pro-anything somebody is, you must realize you have the ability to not type in his URL and hit enter on your keyboard. Peoples' constant insults only further fuel his stance that Intel-fanboys are retards, and I'm coming to agree seeing nothing but insults from people who are pro-Intel.

I can bet Sharikou will listen to Intel fanboys if they make sense, just like I do. Make an argument, not a fight, and you'll be heard. Sharikou is no doubt hardcore AMD, but for good reason, just like people are hardcore Intel for a reason (albeit not a good one).

Let's go old fashioned: If you aint got nothin' good to say, shut your f*cking mouth.

8:13 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Edward said...

I want to buy one for my kids. They can do whatever they want without worrying about breaking it - because if they do (break it), I'll just buy 3 more for them and the total cost is still less than an ordinary notebook. ;-)

Wonder if it allows you to compile customized linux kernel on it... if so that'd be even better.

10:11 PM, August 25, 2006  
Anonymous Gandalf said...

Shakirou said...

I think CM1 is a case of reverse discrimination. Now 3rd world kids get the cutting edge technology with automatic peer-to-peer WiFi grid network, while American businessmen get bulky and hot Core Duo notebooks that explode during conferences.


in benchmarks the 533mhz version of the processor is fraged by a 533mhz via c3 cpu. this cm1 device uses one with 400mhz (oh it's design is of 1997 and of cause 32bit - a no no for shakirou)

the display with a resolution of 1200x900px is 8" width.

the device sports 128mb ram.

all in all it's a huge progress to have such devices available for poor folks in 3rd world. but no one of the people ever used a pentium m or turion machine wants to swap...

3:35 AM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys don't get it

The PhD pretender is a disgruntled ex INTELer..

He uses this blog to fan lies about his ex employer... also post outright lies to sucker you guys to share some insight into what INTEL is doings.

For me its pure entertainment to see the idiot defecate and you flies hover over him like some golden nugget.

9:35 AM, August 26, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

I can bet Sharikou will listen to Intel fanboys if they make sense, just like I do.

Yes. It is a rare pleasure to see Intelers demonstrating some level of intelligence. I always enjoyed discussing with such smarter Intelers. Unfortunately, I just sigh and approve their ramblings without feeling the need to respond.

12:00 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous SaintGreg said...

Edward said...

Wonder if it allows you to compile customized linux kernel on it... if so that'd be even better.


Yes you can install whatever software you want on it, as long as it doesn't fill up the meager 500 MB storage capacity.



Gandalf said...

all in all it's a huge progress to have such devices available for poor folks in 3rd world. but no one of the people ever used a pentium m or turion machine wants to swap...


I do! This is 3-4 times cheaper than anything else in the market you can buy. It'll never replace a desktop PC, but for what many people do with their laptops - web browsing, checking their email, etc - it'll do just fine, and it will be alot more robust than that $400 cheapo dell.

1:22 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sharikou, any comments on the voltage problems that AMD purportedly has with their 65nm units?
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33964

2:46 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, Inquirer reports....

WORD HAS FINALLY hit our tender ears about what AMD's problems at 65nm are rather than the nebulous 'they have issues'. A bird has been singing to us that AMD is having problems getting the speeds they need out of the stock voltages.
This is forcing AMD to pump things as high as 1.4V. If you do the math, (1.4^2)/(1.1^2) = 1.62, so AMD is forced to use 60+% more power than they wanted to. This kind of skews the performance per watt leadership they are claiming, so I guess there is still work to be done.

That said, there is a bit more than three months to go before any deadlines are missed, and the wafers going in today are still not the ones you may end up buying, so there is time. Barely. ยต

4:14 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous Edward said...

gandalf said: "all in all it's a huge progress to have such devices available for poor folks in 3rd world. but no one of the people ever used a pentium m or turion machine wants to swap..."

The reason that this CM1 can work with slower processor (note its low power usage, too) and smaller memory is because it runs much more efficient software. It doesn't have Windows eyecandies; it doesn't record DVDs or transcode downloaded movies 5 times faster; maybe it has poor UI responsiveness when doing video conferencing. SO WHAT? It gets the primary jobs done: web browsing, doc/photo editing, webcam and mp3 playing, and even some simply programming.

I like it because it's a shift of mentality - that price and power efficiency could be the selling point of the new pervasive computing age. It's definitely not just for the 3rd world if you look at it from this point of view.

10:03 PM, August 26, 2006  
Anonymous Gandalf said...

Edward said...

The reason that this CM1 can work with slower processor (note its low power usage, too) and smaller memory is because it runs much more efficient software. It doesn't have Windows eyecandies; it doesn't record DVDs or transcode downloaded movies 5 times faster; maybe it has poor UI responsiveness when doing video conferencing. SO WHAT? It gets the primary jobs done: web browsing, doc/photo editing, webcam and mp3 playing, and even some simply programming.


i agree with you on the argument that the device gets the job done.

but some of us are used to browse the internet not in lynx but in firefox, to read email not in pine but in thunderbird or pegasus mail...

with this kind of performance browsing the web will feel sluggish and painful. due to the lack of cpu performance you will not be able to view movies or flash games.

my conclusion: you have to be rather sure what you intend to do with this computer because it's performance sucks!

5:55 AM, August 27, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gandalf said...
my conclusion: you have to be rather sure what you intend to do with this computer because it's performance sucks!

funny you should say that. A few years ago this would have been considered an ultra top end machine. Back then people would have said that it is super fast, has a ton of ram, and while the "hard drive" storage is small, it is very fast. And web cam? icing on the cake. In fact, it would also be very small compared to laptops of the time, and a lot cheaper. Small screen, yes, but ultra-portable. Think of it as a large, cheap pda.

6:34 PM, August 27, 2006  
Anonymous Graham said...

Some anonymous coward wrote:
If you don't like the man's blog, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Sharikou's made it pretty clear he is a fan of AMD and that's his perrogative being THAT IT'S HIS BLOG.

Hey if Sharikou wants me to post here then more power to him. I'll continue to post here and correct places that need correcting and point out things that are not consistent. Makes the blog a better place. Sorry to disappoint you but I will be here to annoy you cowards for a while at least until AMD is bankrupt which is a lot more likely than Intel.

I still say Sharikou is DEAD WRONG about the Intel bankruptcy predictions and any analysts covering the semiconductor industry would laugh him out of the room for such unfounded predictions.

Also Geode was not sold off by AMD that was the Alchemy line... Didn't matter since that line was all but useless.

Since AMD is just barely ramping their 65nm process for Athlon/Opteron now, I guess we can expect Geode to be 64-bit in what? 2008? 2009? They're certainly not going to move the Geode line over to 45nm before Athlon/Opteron.

9:28 AM, August 28, 2006  
Anonymous Graham said...

Fat Mod Mike said:

Let's go old fashioned: If you aint got nothin' good to say, shut your f*cking mouth.

So Fat Mod, can we expect that you will be the first to adhere to your rule? Please?

9:31 AM, August 28, 2006  
Anonymous Graham said...

Excellent poster wrote:
Hi, Inquirer reports....

WORD HAS FINALLY hit our tender ears about what AMD's problems at 65nm are rather than the nebulous 'they have issues'. A bird has been singing to us that AMD is having problems getting the speeds they need out of the stock voltages.
This is forcing AMD to pump things as high as 1.4V. If you do the math, (1.4^2)/(1.1^2) = 1.62, so AMD is forced to use 60+% more power than they wanted to. This kind of skews the performance per watt leadership they are claiming, so I guess there is still work to be done.

That said, there is a bit more than three months to go before any deadlines are missed, and the wafers going in today are still not the ones you may end up buying, so there is time. Barely.


Thanks for bringing that up... This is the problem with AMD. They can design a good chip. They can even do fairly well at marketing their good chips (they can't give away their lesser chips though). However, this is and has always been their achilles heel. Manufacturing. This is why they need to run their own fabs and not rely on Chartered or IBM or whomever... However, because of their size, they do need to rely on others who may or may not make it a priority to deliver the goods for AMD.

It is always nice to see AMD try to keep up on the process treadmill with Intel. When Intel gets going at 10 on the treadmill and it looks like AMD is pulling up at 9, Intel just cranks things up to 11 (45nm out soon). It is funny to see AMD try to keep up though. Laughable really when they try to convert a fab from one process to another by shutting half down and doing retooling in the other half. You never see Intel doing half-assed, shit like that. Intel wants a new 45nm fab? They close one of their older fabs, bring in the new equipment and start it up on the new process tech or better yet, just build a new one from scratch. Meanwhile their other fabs are fully operational bringing you 64-bit computing goodness to your heart's delight.

I just don't know how AMD stays in business doing the things they do with so little cash as a buffer. $3billion for a new fab? No problem, Intel has enough cash for 3 more of those puppies. AMD will have to start collectively searching the couch cushions to finance one new fab after they blew their wad (and then some) on ATI.

9:47 AM, August 28, 2006  

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