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See this report. Be afraid when you board a plane with people carrying such notebooks.
posted by Sharikou, Ph. D. @ 8/04/2006 05:31:00 PM
62 Comments:
LOL.. yeah beware of arabs too.
How many planes have fallen out of the sky?
How many laptops have you seen being used on an airplane the past 5 years...
Your chances of getting killed at your desk are higher then the plane falling out of the sky due to a burning laptop.
This is a PhD with no data analysis skills or feet planted in reality.
LOL
Did anyone check the details..
Camping trip in the summer
Ammunication...
poping sounds..
Sounds more like heat + some dumb rednecks is the problem.
"How many laptops have you seen being used on an airplane the past 5 years"
On most airplanes there are HUNDREDS of passengers. Undoubtedly quite a few of those have laptops the greater portion of which have the most popular brand (DELL) and the majority of which have intel chips. Airplanes are vulnerable vehicles. One explosion in near a window or near a wing or some other vulnerable area could get the wind sucked out of you.
"Your chances of getting killed at your desk are higher then the plane falling out of the sky due to a burning laptop."
That may be true but the chances are higher than you seem to think.
"This is a PhD with no data analysis skills or feet planted in reality."
The point is that these dangerous notebooks INCREASE even further your chances of dying on a plane.
That IS DATA analysis based on well-known facts.
This is a blog, not a scientific paper.
"How many planes have fallen out of the sky?"
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/277332_cargolaptop13.html
LOL ???
Thanks for the warning.
Maybe we should also ban all other battery operated electronics like cellfones, watches, hearing aids... I bet you Intel also makes the chips for them right?
The real problem is Sharikou is not genuine. He's bashing Intel on Dell's battery issue. He's always trying to mislead people, don't know what the heck he's been smoking.
There've been scattered reports of Dell Computer Co. laptops bursting into flames without warning, though there's been little urgency attached to the reports.
This is Dell's battery problems, not Intel's Centrino
*wink*
From your link:
"According to witnesses, all the fires seem to be coming from the Dell notebooks' batteries."
I thought you claimed it was the CPUs that caught fire Sharkykou?
I thought you claimed it was the CPUs that caught fire Sharkykou?
Why battery overheats? Intel's 53 watt CPUs .
This is Dell's battery problems, not Intel's Centrino
No. Batteries won't explode by itself unless something is drawing too much current and produce too much heat. You heard so many Centrino explosion stories, none for cool & quiet CPUs
You know why there are no AMD stories. AMD is a non-player in the laptop market LOL
There is no story here.
Its asking why there are so many car deaths in the US and fewer in Europe or East Asia? Is it because americans are bad drives or because there everyone drive in the US and far fewer in Europe and the Far East.
You need no PhD to figure this out.
Sharikou you need to go back to school and get a real PhD. Along the way get a education, learn to use your brain, find yourself some pussy and get laid. You sound like a guy who has masturbated his whole life!
I think I’ll take all of my important papers out of the fire-safe and put the laptop in, to safeguard my home.
Well, since the laptop was not being used, as it exploded, I would say it's the battery at fault (and Dell is at fault). That had no thing to do with Intel CPU.
I believe the title of this post should be "Dell notebook burnt down a truck" not "Centrino notebook burnt down a truck".
-Longan-
Its conceivable to me the battery assemble line is powered by and Intel processor
Check this out again.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30863
It's the Intelli processors causing the explosions.
Apparently processors fails resulting in short-circuiting the battery.
Cause?
Poor thermal protection design.
So much for inferior technology and too much marketing hype.
Intel is stuffing the channel with explosives.
I’ve heard of explosive shoes on airlines, hence the removal of your shoes for inspection on pre-flight, but now all Intel laptops will have to check in your laptop battery before boarding.
New terrorist weapon of choice, Intel.
"none for cool & quiet CPUs"
and just how many cool & quiet chips are used in Dell laptops with known bad batteries right now?
Hmmm... 100's of variables - must be the chips! How many non-Dell laptop explosions with Centrino have you reported on?
If you have a scientific background, you may want to try isolating some of the variables before drawing a conclusion (unless you are involved in the failure analysis at Dell and have some inside information).
It could be the chip/battery combination, but I don't see how you get there with the lack of information that is publicly known.
The perfect fuse for an Intel notebook would be to set it next to a P4 workstation
"I’ve heard of explosive shoes on airlines, hence the removal of your shoes for inspection on pre-flight, but now all Intel laptops will have to check in your laptop battery before boarding."
Omg, some day someone will make a short movie clip of a terrorist on an airplane holding a laptop, "I have a **** laptop. Don't come near me or it will explode." "I demand ******** or the laptop will explode." woah..hahaha...
-Longan-
Yea, Intel sells shit my bros xps lappy overheats dailey so he plays on my AMD which is always 41 c stock cooling
News break
" No matter what AMD will never go broke. All you have to do is go to Sharikous blog and find out how stupid and blind AMD fanboys are. They will spend their parents hard earned money to continue to buy an inferior AMD product. Hector has now worry. He has many a blind sheep will to take it in the A$$ like their follower Sharikou"
AP
AMD sponsors NASCAR race at Watkins Glen International raceway next weekend. Now how cool is that? Here is a little known fact about NASCAR sponsors. The car sponsors say that there stock price increases enough to pay for the entire cash outlay and then some. Not to mention the products purchased by the fan base. The world’s fastest growing spectator sport with an incredibly loyal fan base all around the world will get a good look at the AMD logo for four hours Sunday August 13th.
Intel fannies don’t make good NASCAR fans because overheating, explosions and poor performance is frowned upon in the sport.
Other News
On a sad note, Intel’s market share is still shrinking even after a massive Dell advertising campaign. A lot is being published about Intel seems to be losing the price war and the disappointment of its new product releases.
Where’s the Intel fanboys tonight?
I think the Intel crowd all overheated and left.
anonymous coward wrote:
" No matter what AMD will never go broke. All you have to do is go to Sharikous blog and find out how stupid and blind AMD fanboys are. They will spend their parents hard earned money to continue to buy an inferior AMD product. Hector has now worry. He has many a blind sheep will to take it in the A$$ like their follower Sharikou"
Another one of them fannies resorting to verbal abuse , name-calling and insults.
I can bet he is freshly graduated from the university of perversity (Intel Campus).
Fannie , keep your gob plugged untill there's something produtive coming out of it.
lol it's a joke.
Even if it was the battery or not, or whatever, fact is it still has a Centrino CPU in it :P, he maybe exploiting that fact or "statistic" but it's still true :P.
So AMD haven't reported an incident because "they don't have market share", well so what? They still haven't recorded an incident because none have occurred :P
Now arguing against something like this is really stupid.
I'm beginnning to think you guys really are idiots.
http://tech-blog.blogspot.com/ check it out! it is my blog and is without bias!
Why battery overheats? Intel's 53 watt CPUs.
If that's the case, why aren't the laptops with Prescotts (which can suck up >100W without breaking a sweat) bunged into them going off like nukes? Or even the ones with desktop Athlon 64s?
From your link:
According to witnesses, all the fires seem to be coming from the Dell notebooks' batteries.
Battery Recall
Dell, in conjunction with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), recalled about 22,000 batteries on Dec. 16, 2005. But unless consumers with those batteries heard about the recall through the grapevine or happened across the notice on ConsumerAffairs.Com or on Dell's or the CPSC's websites, they would not have known about the defect.
Do you have short term memory loss problems Sharikou? Like you read why it happened but forgot instantly?
Sharikou and all bloggers,
I would appreciate it if you take a break and comment on my second posting:
itkitty.blogspot.com
Tell me about your hobbies and other life activities..
Thanks
IT kitty cat
Sharikou, it's 60watts with core duo and merom (2.33ghz) on load.
anand meassured this, in the latest article about mobiles [;
"AMD was not able to make any progress in the notebook universe, however. Intel’s share increased from 86.3% in Q1 to 86.7% in Q2. AMD unit share declined to 13.3% from 13.6% sequentially."
Reported from many sources, but if AMD had anywhere close to 50%, it'd be all over the news:)
It's not adequate to link these fires and explosions to Intel's Centrino, at least given the current reports.
The most obvious reason, which hasn't been mentioned by anyone here yet (apology if you did but I missed it), is that they only involve Dell's notebooks. What about HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, Sony, Fujitsu, ALL of them combined? Don't they sell more Centrino notebooks than Dell alone?
If these accidents are indeed related to Intel's CPU, why aren't others affected? The only rational conclusion from these accident reports, that is if they are true, is to avoid buying Dell's Centrino notebooks.
That aside, from my experience Turion X2 notebooks are indeed cooler than Core Duo (both PC and Mac). I've used TWO of each (2 HPs, 1 Apple, and 1 MSI). There's nothing to dispute - you just feel it.
"Following AMD's earnings reports and subsequent fall, Cramer thinks its time to start selling Intel and building a position in AMD."
LOL... I hope you didn't listen to Cramer to build up your AMD, because at that time AMD was selling something above $30. ;->
Cramer's just... a bit "crazy", shall I say? He's very passionate and could seem at times persuasive, but in the end he's just like (the younger version of) that old man who raises his voice (and probably also a board) on the middle of the street to tell you the end of the world is coming.
The issue here is not the CPU but the batteries.
LiON batteries are inheritently dangerous. There have been numerous incidents with them in R/C cars and planes as well.
Where are the fannies..
Who has the highest income/employee?
Who is the largest Semiconductor Company? Pss who is 14th.
You can feel all excited about the cellar dweller growing by 20%. Pss he is still 14th .. LOL
JOkes you AMD and their stupid fanboys who think INTEL is going bankrupt in 5-7 quarters. More likely that is AMD...
It aint' about fanning anyones stupid ideas. Its the natural law of business.
the retards just can't see it.
Sharikou throws silly headlines and you stupid guys eat it up like flies on dog shit.
INTEL is less worried about AMD but more worried about getting its stock up.
INTEL is less worried about AMD but more worried about getting its stock up.
Yes we all know that intel thinks only quarter to quarter and stuffs the channel with p4 crap and kills its partners. That's really cool and wise thinking.
PS. Intel do worry about AMD
"And at last how to compare the Turion X2 with Core Duo for example?
1. The turion tl52 is about 35% faster than PD920 for example.
2. It has all advantages of AMDs x64 microarchitecture.
3. It's reliable."
Those are true, but also:
4) It is more power-thirsty than Core Duo. CNET tested both the Core Duo and Turion X2 models of HP's popular Pavilion dv2000 notebooks (also sold as the Compaq Presario V3000... same guts, different case). The Turion X2 dv2000 got only 2.5 hours of battery life, while the Core Duo V3000 got 4 hours.
5) It is somewhat slower than Core Duo. The same CNET report showed that the Intel-based systems were quite a bit faster.
Remember, no chip is perfect... Core Duo is still 32 bit, but Core 2 Duo (which should be in some popular laptops this month) is 64-bit. Turion was 64-bit from the start, but it's basically an Opteron derivative like many an AMD CPU... but being a derivative of Opteron is not a bad thing at all.
Personally, I can't wait to see what AMD has up its sleeves with their 65nm power-optimized mobile chip next year. Could they do the same magic to notebooks that they did to servers? I hope so... I admire AMD's engineers. As we all know, even though AMD is smaller than Intel, their chip designers can often times beat Intel's army of engineers.
I am a regular reader of your blog.It seems that you are going outta way to blame that Intel processor was the cause of the explosion.
Yes. I said this long time ago. A battery won't explode unless it develops a short circuit and reaches very high temps.
The short circuit must be caused by a melt down CPU.
I've got a Dell Inspiron with hot Prescott inside. I can tell you it is so damn hot that my 1yr old 6 months old harddisk already showing some failure sign (a two beep on boot-up and says 'Hard disk failure' 50% of the time). Oh the CPU is 70'C on idle.
"Another one of them fannies resorting to verbal abuse , name-calling and insults.
I can bet he is freshly graduated from the university of perversity (Intel Campus)."
Verbal Abuse?!!! Apparently you do not read the doc replies.. And by the way I take that degree over Sharikou's unsubstantiated and rejected PhD. WINK WINK
" Anonymous said...
Why battery overheats? Intel's 53 watt CPUs.
If that's the case, why aren't the laptops with Prescotts (which can suck up >100W without breaking a sweat) bunged into them going off like nukes? Or even the ones with desktop Athlon 64s?
1:36 AM, August 05, 2006 "
low poer Athlon 64 were like 35-40watts at 100%.
presccots where around 85watts at 75% usage...
conclusion...: YOU FAIL.
" Anonymous said...
"And at last how to compare the Turion X2 with Core Duo for example?
1. The turion tl52 is about 35% faster than PD920 for example.
2. It has all advantages of AMDs x64 microarchitecture.
3. It's reliable."
Those are true, but also:
4) It is more power-thirsty than Core Duo. CNET tested both the Core Duo and Turion X2 models of HP's popular Pavilion dv2000 notebooks (also sold as the Compaq Presario V3000... same guts, different case). The Turion X2 dv2000 got only 2.5 hours of battery life, while the Core Duo V3000 got 4 hours.
5) It is somewhat slower than Core Duo. The same CNET report showed that the Intel-based systems were quite a bit faster.
Remember, no chip is perfect... Core Duo is still 32 bit, but Core 2 Duo (which should be in some popular laptops this month) is 64-bit. Turion was 64-bit from the start, but it's basically an Opteron derivative like many an AMD CPU... but being a derivative of Opteron is not a bad thing at all.
Personally, I can't wait to see what AMD has up its sleeves with their 65nm power-optimized mobile chip next year. Could they do the same magic to notebooks that they did to servers? I hope so... I admire AMD's engineers. As we all know, even though AMD is smaller than Intel, their chip designers can often times beat Intel's army of engineers.
11:01 AM, August 05, 2006 "
and what videocard had the AMD sir?
most of the time I've seen some guys stupidly testing laptops wich have diferent stuff on everything..
like Turion X2 vs a Core Duo, but the Core duo as integraded intel chipset, and AMD USES A NVIDIA Geforce 7900GT :>
that can cause a huge diference sir..
btw...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AMD&d=t
AMD levels are increasing again
from 17.3 to 20.45 (where 17.3 was the lowest cause of its purchase of ATI )
What's up Doc?
I know you really believe that batteries cannot explode on their own. I assure you... they can. There can be subtle defects in battery manufacturing that can cause a brand new, never been used battery to catch itself on fire despite only having had a light charge for 'quality control' testing.
More often then not (and particularly in the case of Dell's issues it take severl dozen charges and discharges to heat up and to exploit the defect in the internal part of the battery or chamber of the battery that was designed to prevent battery shorting itself. I'd like to stress, this can even happen with batteries that were fully charged and removed from laptops and left sitting idle an hour (and in some cases up to six hours) after being fully charged.
While the truck story doesn't say either way, I'm inclined to believe that the own must have recenetly charged his battery. I'm qualifying this by pointing out that he had set his laptop on the floorboard of his truck while finishing to pack it up for a trip. It is entirely plausible to me that one would fully charge their laptop for use on the road prior to leaving and further, I find it unlikely that someone would place a running laptop in their vehicle when packing for a trip. By the last statement I'm implying the laptop would be OFF to conserve battery life, hence the processor not running. Additionally, why else would one going on a trip with their laptop leave it ON to drain while backing?
This is a quick reply to the poster that alluded to AMD levels rising post purchase of ATI:
Let us not forget how hammered AMD was on the day of the announcement of the ATI purchase. I don't believe the recent $3 gain/share is attributed to that. Instead, I think it is due to the IBM announcement of the new server line featuring AMD to take on SUN. The jury of analysts and investors are still looking at the ATI purchase with questioning eyes until there are further updates on the new business model.
Sharikou, It is Intel's problem for having such crappy thermal clocking and that is what is the cause of any Intel laptop explosion. the Intel chip is just the match that set the gasoline (Battery) on fire
Can we stop bitching now and stop being a bitch? We don't want people acting blindly, think before you speak. Ask yourself flamers, Should I be a bitch and make a person's life a little harder?
"The Sheepshagger said...
While the truck story doesn't say either way, I'm inclined to believe that the own must have recenetly charged his battery. I'm qualifying this by pointing out that he had set his laptop on the floorboard of his truck while finishing to pack it up for a trip. It is entirely plausible to me that one would fully charge their laptop for use on the road prior to leaving and further, I find it unlikely that someone would place a running laptop in their vehicle when packing for a trip. By the last statement I'm implying the laptop would be OFF to conserve battery life, hence the processor not running. Additionally, why else would one going on a trip with their laptop leave it ON to drain while backing?"
Dude could use his laptop with the GPS system. He could of fired it up to get directions getting out of there. Thats one reason to fire up the lappy. While would anyone going on a fishing trip take a lappy with them in the first place?
Anyone remember Toshiba's issue with P4's over heating a few years back? I remember Toshiba getting sued for that.
You people are driveling scum. It's a battery issue, end of story. Your ridiculous ravings are disgusting.
Oh my God it's the LCD, obviously drawing too much power! It's the hard drive! It's the RAM! It's the northbridge!
You scum are just making stuff up with no actual knowledge.
Here is an article about a apple powerbook blowing up - the powerbook is a year old and has an IBM proc in it.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/06/another-powerbook-violently-explodes/
Still think this is an Intel issue!
Nah :-)
That is ridicoulous...your going out of your way to bash intel now, your actually thinking that fires caused by intel happens any more then AMD? If you can't step out of this and think to yourself this is stupid you have got to be losing it..lol
This is a battery problem. Period. Even if the CPU is completely shorting out, the battery pack should do nothing more than trip its overcurrent protection and shut down. Even if the pack terminals are subjected to a bolted short, the pack should merely pop its fuse.
Lithium batteries are dangerous things. Every indication here is that Dell's design and QC practices just aren't up to scratch in managing the inherent dangers posed by lithium batteries. This has nothing to do with Intel and everything to do with Dell and/or their ODMs.
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Cramer says the INTC/AMD situation 'reminds me of the GM/Toyota battle. Where is GM now? It's a healthcare provider, and it has a sideline business -- selling cars to stay afloat... The situation with INTC today is the same as GM way back when...'
Jim Cramer is a fool. If he did his research, he would know that Intel does not have a defined benefit program such as GM. Therefore Intel is not going to be in the "healthcare" business like GM. No way, no how. Furthermore, if one had taken Jim's advice in May and June to load up on AMD you would be down roughly 35% since that time. Not very good advice if you ask me. But maybe I guess he means it this time since AMD stock has fallen so dramatically after their "earnings" report.
Yes. I said this long time ago. A battery won't explode unless it develops a short circuit and reaches very high temps.
The short circuit must be caused by a melt down CPU.
Again Sharifraud's conclusions leading to "facts"... He doesn't consider the possibility that the thermal design on Inspiron's is horrible. He also has not had any access to the laptops and I am sure hasn't recreated the battery explosions, however, he KNOWS that it must have been the Intel chip causing problems. You are such a genius SHarifraud that you can diagnose an exploding laptop simply by looking at still pictures on the internet. Wow! :-)
You people are driveling scum. It's a battery issue, end of story. Your ridiculous ravings are disgusting.
Oh my God it's the LCD, obviously drawing too much power! It's the hard drive! It's the RAM! It's the northbridge!
You scum are just making stuff up with no actual knowledge.
This is what I REALLY wanted to say... thanks for that anonymous guy.
Some anonymous nitwit said:
and what videocard had the AMD sir?
most of the time I've seen some guys stupidly testing laptops wich have diferent stuff on everything..
like Turion X2 vs a Core Duo, but the Core duo as integraded intel chipset, and AMD USES A NVIDIA Geforce 7900GT :>
that can cause a huge diference sir..
Thanks for pointing that out! The integrated graphics on the Centrino is inferior to the NVIDIA GeGorceGT at least for graphics performance. So, even handcuffed with inferior video, the Centrino outperforms AMDs best and brightest laptops. No wonder nobody uses AMD lappies. Thanks for making this argument.
Josua, you could have also directed this comment at the blog owner himself:
Can we stop bitching now and stop being a bitch? We don't want people acting blindly, think before you speak. Ask yourself flamers, Should I be a bitch and make a person's life a little harder?
"The integrated graphics on the Centrino is inferior to the NVIDIA GeGorceGT at least for graphics performance."
The point is power, not performance here. When comparing power consumption, people tend to compare integrated graphics power on Intel with stand-alone graphics power on AMD. Ironically when they compare performance, it's totally another story.
You just have to separate these two (or at least quantify and divide them), otherwise your claims will go nowhere but brainless ranting.
"So, even handcuffed with inferior video, the Centrino outperforms AMDs best and brightest laptops."
First, you have to show proof of your claim. But even that doesn't matter, because second, it won't be a valid comparison of CPU if different graphics cards are used.
It's really not hard to compare Core Duo and Turion X2 fairly. Compaq has almost the same config for both, using the same graphics, chipset, RAM, but different hard drives. I really don't know what are people afraid of to make a fair comparison between the two - some conspiracy is all I can conclude to.
I'm pretty sure of two rule of thumbs: in terms of performance/watt, Core Duo slightly wins over Turion X2; in terms of performance/price, Turion X2 is a clear winner.
That is, for the same performance under load, a Core Duo could work 4 hours while a Turion X2 roughly 3.5 hours. OTOH, the Core Duo might cost $1.5k where the Turion X2 only $1.2k.
Personally, I'll buy Turion X2 today (actually it'll be quite a lot of tomorrows), simply because 1) it's cheaper, 2) it's not much worse - a better HD will make up all difference and more, and 3) it's 64-bit. Well, if Meron is inexpensive, plentily available, and inhereting all goodness of Core Duo (low-power being the most important), I might go over for that instead.
Sharikou, read the battery recall part in the article before you make one of your past dumb "explainations" as if a CPU shortcut was the source of the fire. Save yourself please.
Having said that I think Dell needs to improve battery reliability.
The complete list of exploding AMD laptops
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34145
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