Friday, June 23, 2006

Supreme Court rules out IA32

Supreme Court of the so called world's largest democracy rules that Turion 64 is the only legal mobile computing solution.

33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can understand the humour, but the wording is a little misleading. Anyways, I wonder if it's the Turion 64 as you say or the Turion 64 X2. The original article that you linked doesn't say.

4:45 PM, June 23, 2006  
Anonymous chad said...

hey, did anyone else see the TWO articles confirming revers-ht on all am2, including opterons! sweet, if only i could get one for my laptop :( i'll just have to get a budget dual core desktop...does anyone know if the revers-ht is on am2 septrons? i doubt but i don't know

5:08 PM, June 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

only the AM2 dual core cpu's are supported. As far as I know, amd doesn't make dual core semprons currently. Just wait until the price drops the day after conroe is released, and you can get an x2 3800+ for very cheap.

6:02 PM, June 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As it should be. Vista 64 is the future get with it Intel.

7:18 PM, June 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you make a mistake wit the spelling of DEMOCRACY on purpose???

6:53 AM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

Did you make a mistake wit the spelling of DEMOCRACY on purpose??
it was a typo. But on second thought, it had a little bit of merit. anyway, it should be corrected in this context.

8:45 AM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

humm perhaps you should change your wording.
its the "high court" of india, not "supreme court"

supreme court should only exist in the states. by stating "supreme court rules out IA32", you're basically implying US has ruled Turion as the only IA64 solution, which is clearly not the case.

11:14 AM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sharikou,

I am an ardent reader of your articles online, sometimes they make sense sometimes they are real plain stupid and overly exaggerated. I do understand you are an AMD fanboy and AMD is doing some neat stuff right now. I am an intel employee BTW. But I believe in giving credit when its due. Unlike your constant one way mockery of Intel.

What did you exactly mean by "the so called democracy", india is the worlds largest democracy period... I dont want to see you degrading my country's democratic status. You stick to bashing intel and not India.

-Rohit

11:52 AM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

What did you exactly mean by "the so called democracy"
Indian democracy is fundamentally flawed. They have a caste system in which people are born to be inferior.

12:25 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indian democracy is fundamentally flawed. They have a caste system in which people are born to be inferior.

the caste system is part of the indian democracy? this is a new information for me, shakirou.

12:30 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

Google "indian democracy caste system", you will find a lot of studies on this.

What I found in this article:
"Even though India likes to call herself a democracy, it is only a fake democracy as far as the Dalits are concerned."

Read the appalling details inside.

12:43 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

"The tragedy is that the caste system is being spread rapidly even in the United States by the Brahmans and other caste Hindus who have emigrated to the USA during the past forty years. For example, in the Hindu temples built in the USA, only those who are born into the most superior caste of Brahmans are allowed to be priests. Even in the USA, lower caste Hindus and outcast Dalits are not allowed to touch the idol in temples to perform religious rites. In effect, the Hindus have managed to bring untouchability and the caste system into the United States in the garb of religious freedom even though it violates the Civil Rights laws of the United States.
"

http://www.tamilnation.org/caste/elango.htm

12:44 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey sharikou,

I've been reading your articles of late. You've crossed the line here, as far as those comments about india go.

I don't know which nationality you are, but I can tell you that every country in the world has some shit going on in every form. Caste system has definitely been present in india, but in no way does the indian constitution support it. I'm pretty sure that if I want to, I can also dig up articles on any country in the world (including whichever country you are from) saying some shit goes on there.

You also posted a photo of a donkey on two legs in one of your earlier posts regarding outsourcing in b'lore, which I found rather distasteful.

When someone says something as ridiculous as you just did, you simply lose respect for him. I have no plans of reading your blog again, and I'm pretty sure most indians who read that article of yours would do the same.

PS: Knowing you, I would be surprised if you put this on your blog unedited

1:46 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

You've crossed the line here, as far as those comments about india go.


There is no pride in defending or hiding India's problems. Caste system is not just some discrete thing happening in some remote village, it's the corner stone of Indian society. For India to progress, I think this system must be closely examined. It's no good to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that it's not there.

2:13 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"hey, did anyone else see the TWO articles confirming revers-ht on all am2, including opterons! sweet, if only i could get one for my laptop :( i'll just have to get a budget dual core desktop...does anyone know if the revers-ht is on am2 septrons? i doubt but i don't know "

It looks like all Core 2 processors have reverse threading too, only it's called Core Multiplexing. :)

Here's a picture of the feature in the BIOS:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48597&stc=1&d=1151158718

What's more we notice that this is a 2.13GHz E6400 with only 2MB of L2 cache which means that low end models can do it too.

Here's the original thread:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=104178

Kentsfield can also combine to be 2 threads. Note that since this is only 2 threads the separate die FSB issue doesn't come into play because each split thread can use the 2 cores on the same die where the shared L2 cache shows its full advantage.

2:18 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yup, the caste system is the cornerstone of the Indian society. Just like the KKK is the cornerstone of the American way of life. And like Nazism is the cornerstone of the European society.

Please, stick to subjects in which you have at least minimal knowledge.

And don't start throwing links like you did here... The article you quoted was written by the president of Tamilar Human Rights Organization. And this has as much crediblity as an article written by the president of the "Black American Movement against Supremist Whites" about white supremacy in New York's public schools...

Casteism is an undeniable feature of Indian society; but it is just a form of racism like what manifests in the west.

2:57 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sharikou, I read your blogs but this is utter stupidity. Your blogs have lost respect...

3:46 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

"I believe that if Hindu society has been able to stand, it is because it is founded on the caste system" ---- Ghandi

4:05 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd say ghandi has a fair bit of knowledge on the subject.

5:35 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It looks like all Core 2 processors have reverse threading too, only it's called Core Multiplexing. :)"

That would be great, besides all the AMD noise about reverse threading, it would show that AMD is not so supperior, as this site believes.

Here come the flames...lol

6:14 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

That would be great, besides all the AMD noise about reverse threading, it would show that AMD is not so supperior, as this site believes.


That's why Conroe was able to get some good scores.

8:32 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That's why Conroe was able to get some good scores."

That's unlikely given the feature was just enabled with the latest i975X Bad-Axe BIOS revision, meaning that none of the independant previews would have had this feature especially not the P965 or nForce 5 results. The ones that could be questionable are the original March IDF results, but given the number of steppings and BIOS revisions since then it's also doubtful that the feature would be working that long ago.

10:20 PM, June 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you saying they were only able to get those scores because of "Core Multiplexing"?

I hope not, but if thats what your saying, why is it that in order for it to work (supposedly sp?)you need the same Windows update as the AMD Rev.HT?

Further more the independent test have not shown nor mentioned such an update, and yet there scores still beat AM2.

I am really curioius about your comments.

Thanks.

11:04 PM, June 24, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

Further more the independent test have not shown nor mentioned such an update, and yet there scores still beat AM2.

I am really curioius about your comments.


If Conroe had such a feature, it must have been hardwired in the core at first.

Based on more recent benchmarks, Conroe is simply not better enough, even those benchmark results by Intel fanbois such as pcper.com can only get less than 10% lead over AM2 in most cases. As we get closer to Conroe launch, the gap will be smaller and smaller, and under 64 bit, AM2 will take the lead.

12:59 AM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Based on more recent benchmarks, Conroe is simply not better enough, even those benchmark results by Intel fanbois such as pcper.com can only get less than 10% lead over AM2 in most cases. As we get closer to Conroe launch, the gap will be smaller and smaller, and under 64 bit, AM2 will take the lead.

So every review site is flawed because Conroe >> AM2 and you know the truth.

Why don't you do a review of Conroe vs AM2 ? Otherwise all you have is word against dozens of review sites and independent testers.

1:11 AM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So every review site is flawed because Conroe >> AM2 and you know the truth.

Why don't you do a review of Conroe vs AM2 ? Otherwise all you have is word against dozens of review sites and independent testers."


In a comparison of Intel's new Core 2 Duo Xeon (i.e. "Woodcrest") vs. AMD's current Opteron platform (i.e. not Socket F), we find that Intel wins some tests and loses others. Mostly it is as Sharikou has said -- tests that rely on execution from the cache run better on Intel; tests that exercise main memory run faster on Opteron.

Opteron does very well considering it is not AMD's brand new unreleased chip like the Woodcrest Xeon is for Intel.

In simple terms, Intel's new Xeons (which are Core 2 Duo chips) beat Opteron at desktop-centric tasks and Opteron wins at server-centric tasks.

As AMD designs "server-down" and Intel designs "desktop-up", it all makes sense.

When AMD's Socket F Opterons ship, we can expect to see a better balance with AMD winning larger on the server-centric tests and catching up a bit on the desktop-centric tests.

What does not show up in many so-called "reviews" is that AMD is at an innovation cusp point. If they play their cards right, AMD will advance their entire platform to reaches that are far beyond Intel. And the market will respond accordingly.

3:27 AM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good times for people buying their systems in a month or so. the prices for fx62 is going down to 50% to match the price of conroe at that time!

9:17 AM, June 25, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

So every review site is flawed because Conroe >> AM2 and you know the truth

No. The problem is the obvious bias and fanboism on some of the review sites. Look at Ryan Shrout's test on pcper.com, whenever Conroe had over 10% lead, he dances like crazy, otherwise, he is either silent or downright ridiculous. GFor instance, AMD won the sciencemark tests, then he accused that sciencemark was written by someone who is now working at AMD. As far as I know, ScienceMark is written in C++ and compiled with Microsoft VC++ compiler. I am not aware of specific optimizations available for AMD in VC++. Intel and Intel fanbois always want to play an unfair game, they want the applications to be compiled by Intel compiler so AMD CPUs will be crippled.

10:12 AM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Edward said...

"What does not show up in many so-called "reviews" is that AMD is at an innovation cusp point. If they play their cards right, AMD will advance their entire platform to reaches that are far beyond Intel. And the market will respond accordingly."

Good comment. Good review, too.

11:17 AM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If they play their cards right, AMD will advance their entire platform to reaches that are far beyond Intel."

Far beyond huh, thats sounds like a stretch.

Aside from DC and IMC, what makes AMD so superior to Intel?

From what I have read it seems Intel is working on an IMC, and its own form of DC called CSI. This will be displayed in 2007 on the server front and in 2008 on the desktop and mobile front. Also by 2008 Intel will be at 45nm and AMD will be at 65nm.

Sure seems like Intel was a slow adopter of IMC, but you have to believe they see its benefits.

Your thoughts?

Thanks.

3:08 PM, June 25, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

Aside from DC and IMC, what makes AMD so superior to Intel?

I wrote about it here.

7:00 PM, June 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for replying, and I read your article... I don't mean to beat a dead horse.

"AMD CPUs have circuits for Core-Core communications (XBAR), Processor-Processor communications (ccHT), Processor-I/O communications (HT) and Processor-Memory communications (IMC)"

Looking up XBAR, got a good description, it connects everything, it seems that is a very complicated part of the chip, and also seems to be one of the most important parts of K8.

CSI is going to function the same as ccHT and HT, should AMD be worried?

Also could you speculate what kind of performance gain Intel would atain using an IMC, CSI, and a similar type of XBAR?

Thanks.

7:58 PM, June 25, 2006  
Blogger Sharikou, Ph. D said...

CSI is going to function the same as ccHT and HT, should AMD be worried?

AMD is moving forward at alarming speed, look at K8L. Then in 2008, AMD is going to have a killer architecture.

6:34 PM, June 26, 2006  

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